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[dviss1]

No, I’m pointing out that he referenced the flag as a symbol of that oppression... no one is denying that problems still exist in this country, but we have come a long way and there are more good things about life here than bad when comparing to other countries... Kaepernick did make it about the flag in that statement so don’t tell people it’s not about the flag

That flag is on every police officers uniform...

 

[Gronk Brady]

That flag is on every police officers uniform...

Come on bro, not all officers are bad... in fact probably 90+% are good people... why are you stereotyping an entire group because of some bad apples... we need reform and a better way to screen people allowed to become officers and also accountability and jail time for officer who abuse there power... but most are good and keep people safe... do you like being stereotyped? I don’t think it’s fair some of the statements you make.

 

[dviss1]

Come on bro, not all officers are bad... in fact probably 90+% are good people... why are you stereotyping an entire group because of some bad apples... we need reform and a better way to screen people allowed to become officers and also accountability and jail time for officer who abuse there power... but most are good and keep people safe... do you like being stereotyped? I don’t think it’s fair some of the statements you make.

I'm tired of this bullshit.

Are 90% of people good?

Do you know 90% of officers?

Kindly get this bullshit outta here.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I'm tired of this bullshit.

Are 90% of people good?

Do you know 90% of officers?

Kindly get this bullshit outta here.

Maybe 90% is not accurate but I guarantee many more good than bad

 

[dviss1]

Come on bro, not all officers are bad... in fact probably 90+% are good people... why are you stereotyping an entire group because of some bad apples... we need reform and a better way to screen people allowed to become officers and also accountability and jail time for officer who abuse there power... but most are good and keep people safe... do you like being stereotyped? I don’t think it’s fair some of the statements you make.

The average police academy is 21 weeks long.

Oregon? 16....

A high school diploma and 16 weeks doesn't create a good police officer.

 

[Gronk Brady]

The average police academy is 21 weeks long.

Oregon? 16....

A high school diploma and 16 weeks doesn't create a good police officer.

I’m not arguing there are problems with the system... I’m on your side! I just don’t think it’s fair to stereo type an entire group... I think most people go into criminal justice because they want to help people

 

[dviss1]

Maybe 90% is not accurate but I guarantee many more good than bad

It's funny to me how the same people who don't trust government at all trust government's enforcers.

And they give DEVOUT trust when they're killing us... GTFO.

Then there's the other narrative:

"cops are regular people just like us"...

Well y'all can't have it both ways. They can't be 90% good and be regular people like us. Because 90% of us are NOT good. Hell, I'd say upwards of 35% or more are downright racist.

"Regular people are affected by stress.
We make mistakes and on bad days we ain't at our best.
Regular people see things that we shouldn't see
And when we see this evil we develop PTSD
Since regular people with FLAWS
Are the ones enforcing the laws
Then they have the SAME flaws as the people policed."

-Me (Hands Up, Don't Shoot)

 

[dviss1]

I’m not arguing there are problems with the system... I’m on your side! I just don’t think it’s fair to stereo type an entire group... I think most people go into criminal justice because they want to help people

Just like you might fear Syrian refugees coming here because one may be a terrorist, I fear police because one might be a murderer.

Now since you talked about stereotypes, the cop can take his uniform off. I can't change my skin tone.

 

[dviss1]

Police see the WORST of us EVERY DAY.

We talk about soldiers coming home with PTSD.

I'd wager to say MOST of our police force has PTSD from seeing us at our worst daily.

They're regular people aren't they?

 

[blue9]

No, I’m pointing out that he referenced the flag as a symbol of that oppression... no one is denying that problems still exist in this country, but we have come a long way and there are more good things about life here than bad when comparing to other countries... Kaepernick did make it about the flag in that statement so don’t tell people it’s not about the flag

It's about what the flag REPRESENTS. I'm not sure how I can state it any more clearly. That flag represents this country. This country has done, and continues to do, horrendous things to, at this point, probably billions of people through our short history. A protest of the flag/anthem is the most direct way to protest the actions that have lead to large swathes of our citizenry to lead lives comparable to the lives of people who live in actual 3rd-world countries, or to be under threat similar to those who live under a dictatorship.
You can say "there are more good things about life here than bad when comparing to other countries" but that doesn't make it true. When it comes to the lower-classes - regardless of race - there are certainly much better places to live than the US. Pick any Western European country. Sure, they also have their issues with racism, but they don't just go around executing black people...and if you did get shot, you wouldn't have to pay out of pocket to have the bullet removed.

 

[blue9]

I think most people go into criminal justice because they want to help people

Your take is very naive.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Police see the WORST of us EVERY DAY.

We talk about soldiers coming home with PTSD.

I'd wager to say MOST of our police force has PTSD from seeing us at our worst daily.

They're regular people aren't they?

You are right, and that is a totally different problem from the officers that are just bad people... that hard part is how do you solve that problem? I wish we had the answers

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Police see the WORST of us EVERY DAY.

We talk about soldiers coming home with PTSD.

I'd wager to say MOST of our police force has PTSD from seeing us at our worst daily.

They're regular people aren't they?

I’ll give you this, a lot of cops end up with drinking problems because of the crap they see.

I said earlier in this thread that I was robbed at gun point by a couple Black men, and I will admit that it took me a while to mentally over come that, like being out alone, or when people would walk up behind me on the street.

I don’t know the answer though, I think Cops are put in poor positions, poorly trained, make huge mistakes all the time, and I think a lot of them never intended to go kill someone that day.

I also understand I will never know what’s it’s like to be a Black Guy in America, and while I believe I am empathetic to their struggle. I can’t really say if fearing every police officer is “right” or”wrong”, but I understand that sometime instinct kind of takes over and when we feel like we might be in danger, it’s more about survival than is it right to feel this way.
Like in the story you told of you and your son at Starbucks, I don’t know if those cops even thought twice about the fact you were there, but it sounds like (at least to me) the instinct are these guys out to get me, came up.

I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m making excuses for cops, or like I’m being a racist. I want to be involved in this discussion because I honestly wish I could help be a part of the solution, but maybe I just can’t be.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dude, my team is the Eagles. We're set at QB.

And you're wrong. Kaep can play.

No doubt he can play, but there is also no doubt he would be 3rd string for the Eagles.

 

[dviss1]

Maybe 90% is not accurate but I guarantee many more good than bad

If the Blazers won 51% of their games forever would they be good?

 

[Gronk Brady]

If the Blazers won 51% of their games forever would they be good?

Good point... but I still don’t think it’s fair to stereo type an entire group of people because some of them risk their lives to protect people because they care... but I agree there are major problems that need to be fixed

 

[Gronk Brady]

I just want to say that no matter what viewpoints and disagreements we all have, I like and appreciate everyone that post here (Except CupWizer)... because at the end of the day we are all very passionate about Blazers and it’s whats bringing us all together

 

[dviss1]

I’ll give you this, a lot of cops end up with drinking problems because of the crap they see.

I said earlier in this thread that I was robbed at gun point by a couple Black men, and I will admit that it took me a while to mentally over come that, like being out alone, or when people would walk up behind me on the street.

I don’t know the answer though, I think Cops are put in poor positions, poorly trained, make huge mistakes all the time, and I think a lot of them never intended to go kill someone that day.

I also understand I will never know what’s it’s like to be a Black Guy in America, and while I believe I am empathetic to their struggle. I can’t really say if fearing every police officer is “right” or”wrong”, but I understand that sometime instinct kind of takes over and when we feel like we might be in danger, it’s more about survival than is it right to feel this way.
Like in the story you told of you and your son at Starbucks, I don’t know if those cops even thought twice about the fact you were there, but it sounds like (at least to me) the instinct are these guys out to get me, came up.

I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m making excuses for cops, or like I’m being a racist. I want to be involved in this discussion because I honestly wish I could help be a part of the solution, but maybe I just can’t be.

The fact that you're willing to examine it makes you pat of the solution. It's the MFs who start bringing up stats to act like it's not a problem that piss me off.

 

[dviss1]

Good point... but I still don’t think it’s fair to stereo type an entire group of people because some of them risk their lives to protect people because they care... but I agree there are major problems that need to be fixed

Until they show that they don't have systemic racism in their department, I think it's very fair.

They'd interact with the majority black popoulation of Ferguson in this way:

"Some people's interactions with police turned downright abusive, as the report described:

We spoke with one African-American man who, in August 2014, had an argument in his apartment to which FPD officers responded, and was immediately pulled out of the apartment by force. After telling the officer, "you don't have a reason to lock me up," he claims the officer responded: "N*****, I can find something to lock you up on." When the man responded, "good luck with that," the officer slammed his face into the wall, and after the man fell to the floor, the officer said, "don't pass out motherf****r because I'm not carrying you to my car."

Darren Wilson regularly used the N word.

He gets off Scot free for MURDERING Michael Brown and we have to hear about crimes that may have been committed that shouldn't be publishable by death...

I'm sorry but black people don't run at police with guns. That whole point is bullshit. So...

STOP giving the police the benefit of the doubt. They certainly DON'T deserve it.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Until they show that they don't have systemic racism in their department, I think it's very fair.

Darren Wilson regularly used the N word.

He gets off Scot free. I'm sorry but black people don't run at police with guns. That whole point is bullshit. So...

STOP giving the police the benefit of the doubt. They certainly DON'T deserve it.

Again, I’m not defending anyone’s actions... just don’t like stereotyping and entire group... Like TorturedBlazersFan, I was also robbed at gun point by a black man at Holiday park when I was in high school... it never made me stereo type all all black people negatively... I know everyone is there own person, and that was a bad person regaurdless of what race... so I get you are mad at the system, I am too, but to say ALL officers are bad, I don’t agree with that... but I do agree with you that the system is fucked up and something needs to be done

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

How about not doing national anthems at sporting events?

except the military spent a lot of money to the NFL to do this

 

[dviss1]

Like in the story you told of you and your son at Starbucks, I don’t know if those cops even thought twice about the fact you were there, but it sounds like (at least to me) the instinct are these guys out to get me, came up.

I don't think they're out to get me. I just don't know nor believe that they would treat me like a human if we interacted.

I've had good cop experiences. The guy who sent me to the Emanuel Hospital High Risk driving course instead of giving me a speeding ticket. The one where he stops me and let's me go after telling me to "stop looking at my phone and drive" after I slam on my brakes to avoid rear ending the car in front of me.

I've also had police draw their guns out on me as a 15 year old kid. I've been assaulted by the cops too. I've been, as a kid, assaulted by a grown white man and have cops do nothing. Not even tell my parents.

This makes me wary of all cops because power corrupts.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don't think they're out to get me. I just don't know nor believe that they would treat me like a human if we interacted.

I've had good cop experiences. The guy who sent me to the Emanuel Hospital High Risk driving course instead of giving me a speeding ticket. The one where he stops me and let's me go after telling me to "stop looking at my phone and drive" after I slam on my brakes to avoid rear ending the car in front of me.

I've also had police draw their guns out on me as a 15 year old kid. I've been assaulted by the cops too. I've been, as a kid, assaulted by a grown white man and have cops do nothing. Not even tell my parents.

This makes me wary of all cops because power corrupts.

I have nothing to say other than I’m sorry that crap happened to you. Hope that as your kid grows up he never has to experience that, and that as a society we get to a point where he never has to be afraid of how he will be treated because of the tone of his skin.

 

[dviss1]

Again, I’m not defending anyone’s actions... just don’t like stereotyping and entire group... Like TorturedBlazersFan, I was also robbed at gun point by a black man at Holiday park when I was in high school... it never made me stereo type all all black people negatively... I know everyone is there own person, and that was a bad person regaurdless of what race... so I get you are mad at the system, I am too, but to say ALL officers are bad, I don’t agree with that... but I do agree with you that the system is fucked up and something needs to be done

You're disagreeing with something that's never been said. Stop making shit up.

I'll repeat my analogy:

Just like you might fear Syrian refugees coming here because one may be a terrorist, I fear police because one might be a murderer.

 

[Gronk Brady]

You're disagreeing with something that's never been said. Stop making shit up.

I'll repeat my analogy:

Just like you might fear Syrian refugees coming here because one may be a terrorist, I fear police because one might be a murderer.

Being that my family came from that region of the world, I’ve had people call my dad a terrorist and try to attack him... I don’t get angry at people, I feel sorry for their ignorance... and I won’t stereotype someone else because they do it to me... it’s easier to change someone’s mind with kindness and knowledge than accusations and anger

 

[blue9]

Again, I’m not defending anyone’s actions... just don’t like stereotyping and entire group... Like TorturedBlazersFan, I was also robbed at gun point by a black man at Holiday park when I was in high school... it never made me stereo type all all black people negatively... I know everyone is there own person, and that was a bad person regaurdless of what race... so I get you are mad at the system, I am too, but to say ALL officers are bad, I don’t agree with that... but I do agree with you that the system is fucked up and something needs to be done

Not all police are bad, but the police force is bad.
Not all bankers are bad, but the banking system is bad.
Not all politicians are bad, but the political system is bad.

Until they prove otherwise, these systems do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are rotten at the core.

 

[dviss1]

Not all police are bad, but the police force is bad.
Not all bankers are bad, but the banking system is bad.
Not all politicians are bad, but the political system is bad.

Until they prove otherwise, these systems do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are rotten at the core.

Until MFs understand this^^^^^:

"Very well What choice do I have? It is as if you have seized me at the base of my snarglies!"

- Beldar Conehead

 

[THE HCP]

I just want to say that no matter what viewpoints and disagreements we all have, I like and appreciate everyone that post here (Except CupWizer)... because at the end of the day we are all very passionate about Blazers and it’s whats bringing us all together

I actually get paid to post here. Thats my excuse.

 

[BonesJones]

He did lose his starting job to Blaine Gabbert... if that doesn’t spell the end of your career then I don’t know what does... and that was before the protesting

For a team that was essentially tanking, with a shit offense and and crappy NFL coach.

 

[BonesJones]

Because Colin Kaepernick made it about the flag. His quote:
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.”

This country is not perfect, but it’s still the most free country in the world, with the most opportunity. To many the flag is a representation of the good things in this country... and many have died behind the flag for all the positive change that has happened over the years. Now police brutality is one of the problems that still exists, but him saying the flag stands for all that is wrong and this country is not worth it... how can you blame people for making it about the flag with this statement

The whole idea of America is the acceptance of anyone, and how anyone, no matter their color, fender, or other differentiation, can achieve prosperity, and have an equal opportunity to success through their own hard work. That's part of the foundation of America. A foundation that isnt true. Being "close enough" to a core ideal isnt close at all. He's not saying the flag stands for what is wrong, he's saying that the country has ideals that it isn't held to, and that it doesn't emulate... That the governmental systems in place are promoting the opposite of what the flag supposedly stands for.

For some people, they're not oppressed, so they can easily see the "good in the flag". The American idea is accessible for them, so they appreciate the ideal. But the idea, being based on equal opportunity, isn't accessible to other population groups, so how can you expect them to see the prosperity and the good in the flag that represents the ideals themselves?