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Here's his idea:

Look, I love CP3 and DO NOT want to see him traded. I wish new general manager Dell Demps would tell Paul (and his inner circle) to simmer down and play hard and that maybe good things will happen if the Hornets are heatlhy and focused.

But I doubt that will happen. Paul (and his people) will sulk and tension will grow between he and management.

So, Demps and new coach Monty Williams….in my opinion….have no choice but to start rebuilding.

And rebuilding is not such a bad idea. The Hornets have four good young players (Collison, Thornton, Brackins and Pondexter) and trading Paul and West can net them more young talent.

Fans immediately would not understand this move but heading down this path is probably the way the Hornets will have to go.

Of all the deals I’ve poured through the one that I keep coming back too sends CP3 to Portland:


***Chris Paul & Emeka Okafor to Portland (if CP3 is traded a team HAS to take Okafor and his horrible contract with him!!!!!)

***Greg Oden, Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, Andre Miller, The rights to Joel Freeland and a 2011 or 2012 1st round draft pick to New Orleans

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Giving up GO and NB for CP3 and a decent center that is way overpaid? Yea i'll give you NB but not GO.
 
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A little of what I was afraid of. Nicolas may not be as big of a centerpiece for CP3 as we think, in addition to expiring contracts, so we might have to include a guy like G.O. to seriously entice New Orleans. Our depth would take a hit, too.

PG Chris Paul
SG Brandon Roy
SF Wesley Matthews
PF LaMarcus Aldridge
C Marcus Camby

Bench
Emeka Okafor
Jerryd Bayless
Luke Babbitt
Dante Cunningham
Armon Johnson
Joel Przybilla
Jeff Pendergraph
Elliot Williams
 
No thanks, too steep for an amazing PG that will likely bounce in 2 seasons anyway!
 
Unfortunately for NO they are not in the drivers seat on this one, CP3 wants out.

GO and NB is laughable, the Blazers barely wanted to give up NB.

Now that CP3 has spoken up good luck getting NB.
 
I just hope Cho loves Nic as much as Monty and KP did!
 
I'd say it's one or the other. I would prefer to keep Oden, but I would love to have CP3 so I'd make the trade. I think Camby and Okafor is plenty good enough to get us to the WCF, and maybe beyond. I'm not sure how far we can go until we've got some more experience. I think we sometimes forget how young our team still is.
 
I'd say it's one or the other. I would prefer to keep Oden, but I would love to have CP3 so I'd make the trade. I think Camby and Okafor is plenty good enough to get us to the WCF, and maybe beyond. I'm not sure how far we can go until we've got some more experience. I think we sometimes forget how young our team still is.
CP3 is an amazing point gaurd who made tyson chandler look good, yet he couldn't' make okafor look good. If we lose Oden we will lose our only real low post threat and stay the jump shooting team that has caused me to pull my hair out one to many times.
I would rather take a chance that G.O and NB will lead us deeper into the playoffs and make us contenders for years to come, then to rent CP3 for 2 years and become a contender now, then go back to being a playoff threat but not a contender when he leaves.
 
I wouldn't give up GO, no way, no how. CP3 is being quite outspoken on going to create a Big Super Three somewhere. Good chance he won't stay in Portland if he comes. In fact, I am moving to the point to where I don't give up NB or Oden. They can have any combination of the other players/picks and rights we have (excluding Roy of course). I ain't given up Batum for a year or two rental of Chris Paul. The only way I include Batum is if I can negotiate an extension with Paul prior to the trade.
 
CP3 is an amazing point gaurd who made tyson chandler look good, yet he couldn't' make okafor look good. If we lose Oden we will lose our only real low post threat and stay the jump shooting team that has caused me to pull my hair out one to many times.
I would rather take a chance that G.O and NB will lead us deeper into the playoffs and make us contenders for years to come, then to rent CP3 for 2 years and become a contender now, then go back to being a playoff threat but not a contender when he leaves.

He never said he wouldn't come to Portland. I think people are jumping to conclusions here. He supposedly put out a list of three teams that he PREFERRED to be traded to. That doesn't mean he refuses to play for Portland. Until CP3 comes out and says, "I will not play for the Portland Trail Blazers" I will not believe that he would be a rented player.

Furthermore, if he WERE on our team, and we were winning, I don't see why he would want to leave. A team with CP3, Roy, Aldridge, and perhaps even Oden would be dominant. There's no doubt about that. We would own his bird rights, and I have a hard time believing that he would want to go somewhere like New York with some second rate superstars like Amare Stoudemire, and forgo tens of millions of dollars. Paul doesn't make nearly as much money in endorsements as LeBron. I also am not convinced that CP3, Stoudemire, and whoever else the Knicks think they can convince to come there, will be enough to carry that team to a Championship. I actually think that Stoudemire will have a significant decline without Nash running the show.
 
He never said he wouldn't come to Portland. I think people are jumping to conclusions here. He supposedly put out a list of three teams that he PREFERRED to be traded to. That doesn't mean he refuses to play for Portland. Until CP3 comes out and says, "I will not play for the Portland Trail Blazers" I will not believe that he would be a rented player.

Furthermore, if he WERE on our team, and we were winning, I don't see why he would want to leave. A team with CP3, Roy, Aldridge, and perhaps even Oden would be dominant. There's no doubt about that. We would own his bird rights, and I have a hard time believing that he would want to go somewhere like New York with some second rate superstars like Amare Stoudemire, and forgo tens of millions of dollars. Paul doesn't make nearly as much money in endorsements as LeBron. I also am not convinced that CP3, Stoudemire, and whoever else the Knicks think they can convince to come there, will be enough to carry that team to a Championship. I actually think that Stoudemire will have a significant decline without Nash running the show.

Well seems like both of our feelings come down to if we think CP3 will stay or not. I do not think he will stay. Even if he did stay I still would not want to give up GO and NB for him. I'll take the gamble on GO over CP3.
 
Well seems like both of our feelings come down to if we think CP3 will stay or not. I do not think he will stay. Even if he did stay I still would not want to give up GO and NB for him. I'll take the gamble on GO over CP3.

At most the Knicks will have salary cap space for one more year... CP3 is locked up for two. It would be interesting to see who will have cap space in 2012, but it probably won't be the Lakers, the Magic, or the Knicks.
 
So let me get this straight.

Two young oft injured role players (Oden and Batum), a malcontent (Rudy), a player who doesn't fit with our star player and a pick in the lower first round for a superstar who is younger than Brandon Roy and the same age as LaMarcus Aldridge. How could anyone say no to this? Oden and Batum have a chance to be special, but Paul is already extremely special.

I would probably throw up a little bit in my mouth if we dealt Oden, but in the end, you HAVE to do this
 
I'm starting to think: Fuck Chris Paul. Let him go to New York and have Stoudemire get injured again. Serve him right.

I would not trade Greg Oden for Chris Paul straight up. I might be insane, but I wouldn't.
 
Two young oft injured role players (Oden and Batum)

Wrong already. Unless every player at the beginning of his career (particularly on a good team) is by definition a "role player". And, for those paying attention, Chris Paul deserves the label "oft injured" as much as Batum these days. In fact, for all we know, he may already be permanently damaged goods.
 
New Orleans isn't in a position where they can demand players coming back. Plus, like Rastapo said, I'm not sure how Batum is "oft injured". He's had 1 injury in his NBA career.

I'd like Paul as a Blazer, but I'm sure the team could get another PG who would help the team, and not lose Oden and Batum in the process.

I think a starting 5 w/Paul and w/out Oden and Batum is not better than one w/another PG and Batum and Oden.

That trade is a Kiki trade.
 
New Orleans isn't in a position where they can demand players coming back. Plus, like Rastapo said, I'm not sure how Batum is "oft injured". He's had 1 injury in his NBA career.

I'd like Paul as a Blazer, but I'm sure the team could get another PG who would help the team, and not lose Oden and Batum in the process.

I think a starting 5 w/Paul and w/out Oden and Batum is not better than one w/another PG and Batum and Oden.

That trade is a Kiki trade.

This!!!!!!!
 
In the past I considered giving up both Batum and Oden if Okafor came back, but I agree that is not necessary now. Actually i would prefer to give them Oden over Batum, he is such a question mark; it would be interesting to know the odds Las Vegas would give on him having a productive career. We could just give them their choice.
 
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The thing about Paul is: acquiring Paul slightly lessens Roy's value (certainly as we know it). The person who would most likely BENEFIT from Paul's arrival would be Greg Oden. So part of the point of acquiring Paul would be to pair him with Oden. It makes a lot more sense, if people think that Paul is all that, to trade Roy for him. Still want to do it?
 
The thing about Paul is: acquiring Paul slightly lessens Roy's value (certainly as we know it). The person who would most likely BENEFIT from Paul's arrival would be Greg Oden. So part of the point of acquiring Paul would be to pair him with Oden. It makes a lot more sense, if people think that Paul is all that, to trade Roy for him. Still want to do it?

I don't think Paul wants to come here if Roy isn't here and he definitely wouldn't stay longer than two years.
 
New Orleans is now in a pickle. They are at a disadvantage due to Paul going public with this. Them having to deal Okafur is not a necessity. Many teams are going to take a shot at going for Paul regardless. Those who do include Okafur in the offers have the best shot though.

If I were Portland I would not necessarily inlcude Okafur for starters.

The NO tv anchor mentions West. I would prefer West to Aldridge just due to toughness. But not so sure West has enough outside game to balance Oden's inside game.

I would go for Paul, Posey and West, and include Aldridge, Batum, Miller, Joel, Bayless, Rudy, several picks and cash. NOH gets big relief

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28o5ewt
 
I ain't given up Batum for a year or two rental of Chris Paul. The only way I include Batum is if I can negotiate an extension with Paul prior to the trade.
Duh! Portland would never make the trade without getting Paul to sign a long-term contract.
 
The NO tv anchor mentions West. I would prefer West to Aldridge just due to toughness. But not so sure West has enough outside game to balance Oden's inside game.

I don't think West provides much improvement on the boards or inside over Aldridge, and like you say, is definitely not the outside shooter that LMA has proven to be. With a low post presence in the form of Oden, I don't think anyone on the Blazers benefits more than LMA.
 
Paul appears to have no problem coming to Portland. I don't have the quote, but he recently made a statement like "Why would I want to go to Portland if Roy and Aldridge weren't there?" referring to Portland trading one of those two. I read this to say that he would like to come if they were both here, but not so much if they weren't. I think Paul would be satisfied in Portland as long as the team was in contention for the WCF every year.

On Oden, part of me likes trading Oden for Paul because he is such a question mark. However, I think Portland has a much better chance of beating the South Beach Heat with Oden on the team.
 
So let me get this straight.

Two young oft injured role players (Oden and Batum),
Chris Paul hasn't exactly been injury free... over his 5 year career he's averaging 69 games a season.

a malcontent (Rudy), a player who doesn't fit with our star player and a pick in the lower first round for a superstar who is younger than Brandon Roy and the same age as LaMarcus Aldridge. How could anyone say no to this?
several others have flat said no, why don't you believe them? I wouldn't move Greg for him, let alone Greg + Nic. It makes total sense that NO would ask for this as they get the better end of the deal. Portland would be left with little inside game on either end and no starter quality SF. I don't think they could beat the Lakers or Rockets in the short term, which wouldn't exactly bode well for the chances of CP resigning.

Lots of risk + limited reward = pass

STOMP
 
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Giving up GO and NB for CP3 and a decent center that is way overpaid? Yea i'll give you NB but not GO.

You have to give to get. If that was New Orleans' absolute bottom line, then I believe you have to bite the bullet and do the deal. You can get by with a rehabbed Joel, Emeka, Camby and LMA in your front court.
 
You have to give to get. If that was New Orleans' absolute bottom line, then I believe you have to bite the bullet and do the deal. You can get by with a rehabbed Joel, Emeka, Camby and LMA in your front court.



They could also sign someone like Shaq for the vet minimum. Assuming Shaq was cool as a number 2 guy. I would think he would be at this stage of his career. Beofre people pile on about Shaq, he still had a PER of 17.92, and would make for a decent stop gap
 

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