Politics New study: Trump's Electoral College win was no fluke — and is likely to happen again

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barfo said:
Not dismissing your concerns about the status quo, but the Bernie wave appears to be too small to ride at this point, may have to paddle out and wait for the next wave.

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“Wave” pertaining to policy and ideas, not necessarily popularity.
 
jonnyboy said:
“Wave” pertaining to policy and ideas, not necessarily popularity.
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Warren is taking many of the supporters that would go Bernies way otherwise. It is going to be tough for him to gain on her this far in.
 
Chris Craig said:
Warren is taking many of the supporters that would go Bernies way otherwise. It is going to be tough for him to gain on her this far in.
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Unfortunately, I think she is the prime example of what I am talking about. Too many closed door discussions with Wall St. people, flip-flopping and voting for terrible legislation like the bloated defense budget.
Medicare for all wasn’t even a discussion before Bernie demanded it.
Now every candidate has a cheap Walmart version of a Medicare plan, just to appease the masses until they secure the nomination.
 
jonnyboy said:
Way to stay on topic Donnie.

When did I explicitly state I was leaving the OT forum? Quote please?

Don’t worry, I don’t expect a response.
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hahaha. I just made it up to watch you react. :biglaugh:

I can hardly wait for your next attack.
 
jonnyboy said:
Nor is Biden. Young people want a progressive. They don’t want to be swamped with student loans and medical bills and never be able to own a home. That is all the status quo is offering right now and many of these Dem candidates are status quo politicians trying to ride the Bernie wave into the White House where they can get down to business as usual.
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Bernie is riding a long board and slowly falling behind. Better find a better candidate as you will end up on the losing side. I'd put money on it. You willing to put up money that he will win it? Bet you wouldn't.
 
jonnyboy said:
Nor is Biden. Young people want a progressive. They don’t want to be swamped with student loans and medical bills and never be able to own a home. That is all the status quo is offering right now and many of these Dem candidates are status quo politicians trying to ride the Bernie wave into the White House where they can get down to business as usual.
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watching the debates, i think every one of them have clearly stated they intend to address all of those issues. Has a Republican even come close? Does Trump give two shits about student loans or housing debt or medical bills?
 
calvin natt said:
watching the debates, i think every one of them have clearly stated they intend to address all of those issues.
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Of course they have. Saying it and doing it are two different things though, and only a couple of those candidates have a progressive enough track record to back up those claims.
calvin natt said:
Has a Republican even come close? Does Trump give two shits about student loans or housing debt or medical bills?
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I never made any of these claims, so I don’t know who you are debunking here. As of right now there are zero republicans running who I would vote for.
 
I think Warren is going to end up going against Trump in the end....and I like her chances against him. I'm with johnnyboy about Joe....as I've said...he's looking like a campaign could land him in a senior care facility..Joe has moments of clarity but seems to check out in a fog when confronted by his dem rivals...I like Warren's position on the criminal justice system. She is well read, highly educated and clearly has the skills to lead, which in my view Trump has never come close to having. I think Warren scares the shit out of Trump. Warren seems to have her focus on the immediate future and Joe seems to want to rest on nostalgia in terms of his storytelling....Joe is bright, he's just ready to retire....I don't think anyone old enough for social security should apply for the job. I say that as someone who is on social security.
 
riverman said:
I think Warren is going to end up going against Trump in the end....and I like her chances against him. I'm with johnnyboy about Joe....as I've said...he's looking like a campaign could land him in a senior care facility..Joe has moments of clarity but seems to check out in a fog when confronted by his dem rivals...I like Warren's position on the criminal justice system. She is well read, highly educated and clearly has the skills to lead, which in my view Trump has never come close to having. I think Warren scares the shit out of Trump. Warren seems to have her focus on the immediate future and Joe seems to want to rest on nostalgia in terms of his storytelling....Joe is bright, he's just ready to retire....I don't think anyone old enough for social security should apply for the job. I say that as someone who is on social security.
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You know Warren is old enough for social security right?
 
Chris Craig said:
You know Warren is old enough for social security right?
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no I didn't but I'll make an exception in her case.....I still think younger candidates should be the key to real change. As it is there's no age limit so Warren is my choice to trounce Trump......I actually liked Booker and Yang quite a bit...I think Warren running with Klobuchar could win.
 
riverman said:
no I didn't but I'll make an exception in her case.....I still think younger candidates should be the key to real change. As it is there's no age limit so Warren is my choice to trounce Trump......I actually liked Booker and Yang quite a bit...I think Warren running with Klobuchar could win.
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Warren/Klobuchar would be a hell of a ticket
 
Chris Craig said:
Warren/Klobuchar would be a hell of a ticket
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I'm not sure a female candidate would do well with a female vp as there are many that would likely turn away. If it's Warren, I could see Mayor Pete or possibly Booker as a potential VP
 
Chris Craig said:
Warren/Klobuchar would be a hell of a ticket
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Go with Klobuchar and dump Warren’s crazy butt. I can’t understand how anyone can look at her list of government giveaways and corporate-bashing policies and think she’d be good for the country.
 
riverman said:
I just looked it up and she's 70......in the future, yes...I think that's also too old for the job but she also doesn't have the miles on her that Joe has in DC
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Oh, I want to see Warren push medicare for all. Especially in the midwest. I am sure there are enough people that know this system well enough to soundly reject the idea.
But she can encourage the final rejection by insisting the Constitution can be ignored so she can institute a wealth Tax to pay for the medicare they know they don't want.

It will be good!
 
e_blazer said:
Go with Klobuchar and dump Warren’s crazy butt. I can’t understand how anyone can look at her list of government giveaways and corporate-bashing policies and think she’d be good for the country.
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Klobuchar's chances are slim and none with none leading in the polls. I'll put money on that one and it has nothing to do with liking or disliking her. It's just reality.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh, I want to see Warren push medicare for all. Especially in the midwest. I am sure there are enough people that know this system well enough to soundly reject the idea.
But she can encourage the final rejection by insisting the Constitution can be ignored so she can institute a wealth Tax to pay for the medicare they know they don't want.

It will be good!
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So what republican will you be voting for in the upcoming election? You going to stick with the liar, money grabbing, wanna be dictator loving soon to be ex president? lol
 
CupWizier said:
Klobuchar's chances are slim and none with none leading in the polls. I'll put money on that one and it has nothing to do with liking or disliking her. It's just reality.
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Something needs to be shaken up if Joe can’t go the distance. Bernie and Warren are off the charts nuts as far as I’m concerned.
 
e_blazer said:
Something needs to be shaken up if Joe can’t go the distance. Bernie and Warren are off the charts nuts as far as I’m concerned.
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Nobody running is off the charts nuts to me....that person is president and that's got to be shaken up....Bernie I don't think can win....Warren will be the most open to working with Congress and the Senate in my view....she wouldn't be able to pass many of her ideas into law even if she had too terms but she can do damage control after what we've ended up with now. The next president is going to have to reestablish our standing globally and correct our infrastructure....they won't have the funds to implicate broad sweeping changes in social benefits...Takes them a year to investigate a phone call sometimes. There's a mountain of work to do in this country to get back on track in my view..it'll take several presidents to shake up the status quo....I want the next one to start right away
 
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riverman said:
Nobody running is off the charts nuts to me....that person is president and that's got to be shaken up....Bernie I don't think can win....Warren will be the most open to working with Congress and the Senate in my view....she wouldn't be able to pass many of her ideas into law even if she had too terms but she can do damage control after what we've ended up with now. The next president is going to have to reestablish our standing globally and correct our infrastructure....they won't have the funds to implicate broad sweeping changes in social benefits...Takes them a year to investigate a phone call sometimes. There's a mountain of work to do in this country to get back on track in my view..it'll take several presidents to shake up the status quo....I want the next one to start right away
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I spent some time reading her policy proposals on her website and elsewhere. I find it shocking that a major candidate for president can put out so many ideas that, if adopted, would have such a sledgehammer effect on the basic economy and social fabric of our country. Take a couple of the most important ones and run with those like Obama did with healthcare and that’s reasonable. Her approach of shotgunning every lefty wish list item comes across to me as either crazy or deceitful. I agree that she’d never get many of those policies enacted, but they show her anti-business and redistributitive predilections. After Trump, I want a uniter, not an abrasive charlatan promising more than can possibly be delivered.
 
e_blazer said:
I spent some time reading her policy proposals on her website and elsewhere. I find it shocking that a major candidate for president can put out so many ideas that, if adopted, would have such a sledgehammer effect on the basic economy and social fabric of our country. Take a couple of the most important ones and run with those like Obama did with healthcare and that’s reasonable. Her approach of shotgunning every lefty wish list item comes across to me as either crazy or deceitful. I agree that she’d never get many of those policies enacted, but they show her anti-business and redistributitive predilections. After Trump, I want a uniter, not an abrasive charlatan promising more than can possibly be delivered.
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I love her ideas about criminal justice....if she can get that legislation enacted it's a hell of a lot more accomplished than a wall...a person with a big playbook of ideas and options can implement some over a set period of time but can plant seeds for future administrations to build on....
 
jonnyboy said:
The only republicans who want Biden to get the nomination are the hardcore Trump fanatics, and that’s because they know Biden doesn’t have enough marbles left to survive a one on one debate. The man can’t even formulate 20 seconds of coherent speech. He’s Hillary Clinton without the debate skills. Remember 2016?
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Aren't you a liddle' interested in Biden?
 
calvin natt said:
watching the debates, i think every one of them have clearly stated they intend to address all of those issues. Has a Republican even come close? Does Trump give two shits about student loans or housing debt or medical bills?
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Trump has three main concerns:
1) Trump;
2) Trump;
3) Trump.
 
calvin natt said:
watching the debates, i think every one of them have clearly stated they intend to address all of those issues. Has a Republican even come close? Does Trump give two shits about student loans or housing debt or medical bills?
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I didnt care what Trump or any presidents thinks about those issues.
But, I, did care lot about them and worked my ass off with pride to pay them off. To me its was part of the American Dream in the 50's, if you wanted a house, education and medical coverage, you got a job and did the best you could. My fist house was about $12000. and I saved like crazy on a moderate income for a down payment. I wasn't leasing new vehicles or purchasing $1000. iPhone 11 pro's either.
My parents generation taught me that nothings free and learn to save and work hard and don't expect/demand all the creature comforts of life right away, it takes time to acquire with good decision making.
I've instilled those same values in my kids. One son went to UofO and I helped where I could but he worked all through college.
 
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CupWizier said:
Bernie is riding a long board and slowly falling behind. Better find a better candidate as you will end up on the losing side. I'd put money on it. You willing to put up money that he will win it? Bet you wouldn't.
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A socialist progressive won't win the heartland or south, southeast.
I expect a few of those candidates including EW to gravitate to the middle more as it gets closer to primaries.
 
Hoopguru said:
I dint care what Trump or any presidents thinks about those issues.
But, I did care lot about them and worked my ass off with pride to pay them off. To me its was part of the American Dream in the 50's, if you wanted a house, education and medical coverage, you got a job and did the best you could. My fist house was about $12000. and I saved like crazy on a moderate income for a down payment. I wasn't leasing new vehicles or purchasing $1000. iPhone 11 pro's either.
My parents generation taught me that nothings free and learn to save and work hard and don't expect/demand all the creature comforts of life right away, it takes time to acquire with good decision making.
I've instilled those same values in my kids. One son went to UofO and I helped where I could but he worked all through college.
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curious. What was your income annually when you bought that $12000 house?
 
calvin natt said:
curious. What was your income annually when you bought that $12000 house?
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Oh man...right out of hs, not much, I was working as painter I think somewhere around 1.25 hr. Then went on to some retail at Lipmans company downtown in the stock room for min wage.
It was tough saving and it took me a few years to get a down payment saved I was single & it was a small starter home in Westmorland two blocks for the park.
I putdown around $1800. FHA, 1970.
That house now would sell for $300K plus.
Back then young people didn't mind taking minimum wage jobs and there wasn't as many in the low wage work force. It was intended to as a stepping stone which it was for me.
The market here now isn't anything like it was back then.
I know here, housing cost as a percentage of income is crazy.
 
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