New World Order makes Blackwater murder trial go away

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The real fun starts when we finally bring them home.
 
1) Isn't re-trying them double jeopardy? I seem to remember that it's not the defendant's fault if the government messes up the case?

2) If you don't want/trust the military, the civilian contractors, or police...who do you have left to fight/protect/enforce laws?
 
BrianFromWA said:
1) Isn't re-trying them double jeopardy? I seem to remember that it's not the defendant's fault if the government messes up the case?

2) If you don't want/trust the military, the civilian contractors, or police...who do you have left to fight/protect/enforce laws?
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I have friends and family, and The Second Amendment.

Other than being an enormous drain on my income and the #1 threat to my security and freedom, the military, civilian contractors, and police have never had a positive effect on my life in any way, shape, or form.
 
BrianFromWA said:
1) Isn't re-trying them double jeopardy? I seem to remember that it's not the defendant's fault if the government messes up the case?
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They've not been tried yet, so no.

Not surprised you'd leap to their rescue though, since you're all about lack of personal responsibility for your actions and decisions as long as you can play the god card. Jesus died so these guys can murder people. Hallelujah!
 
MARIS61 said:
I have friends and family, and The Second Amendment.

Other than being an enormous drain on my income and the #1 threat to my security and freedom, the military, civilian contractors, and police have never had a positive effect on my life in any way, shape, or form.
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LOL. Keep thinking that. If the #1 threat to your security and freedom was the military and law enforcement, you wouldn't need the Constitution. Or laws. Or anyone to enforce either.

If it wasn't for the military, there wouldn't be a Second Amendment. You'd be throwing rocks and pointy sticks at the wolves and bears. That seems like one form the military has helped you.

Your income is drained in so many more ways than military and law enforcement. But your blind hatred and naivete doesn't see through that, does it?
 
MARIS61 said:
They've not been tried yet, so no.

Not surprised you'd leap to their rescue though, since you're all about lack of personal responsibility for your actions and decisions as long as you can play the god card. Jesus died so these guys can murder people. Hallelujah!
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Holy crap. I didn't say a word about it, and your putting YOUR opinions on me?

You are failing so hard anytime you respond to me. Get over your hatred. Hate crime is illegal, in any form. And it's funny that you say I'm "all about lak of personal responsibility" while crandc says that my "laws over people means I'm compassionless and high on my holy mountaintop". If you're not going to comprehend my words, maybe listen to others? All of this hate toward someone who's asking a question...
 
Jesus died so that you can repent of your hate, your lying, your anger, your judgement, among other things. And mine. And everyone's. It's ok to not be narcissistic. It's ok to realize you're not the center of the universe. But it's a tough habit to break, I'd imagine.
 
Back on topic, what are the thoughts of the OP on the contention that the only reasons Blackwater exists are b/c of a drawdown in the size of the military without the requisite drawdown in missions, congress funding it with no-bid contracts (illegal in military appropriations, iirc), and the quick-fix of paying ~450k per Blackwater "employee" (who have no ability to discipline criminal actions) in the warzones vs. trained soldiers and Marines wearing the flag on their uniform, paid almost a tithe of that and subject to both military and international law?
 
I don't expect that I'd be the center of your universe, and I'm just a few clicks off-center in mine.

BTW, you are understandably frustrated at being unable to justify your abherrent behaviour for profit, but my judgement is sound, I have no anger nor hate towards you, I'm always right and I never lie, and those who truly know me say I am the epitomy of humility.

The only habits I have involve the 3 C's, Coffee, Cigars, and Chocolate.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Back on topic, what are the thoughts of the OP on the contention that the only reasons Blackwater exists are b/c of a drawdown in the size of the military without the requisite drawdown in missions, congress funding it with no-bid contracts (illegal in military appropriations, iirc), and the quick-fix of paying ~450k per Blackwater "employee" (who have no ability to discipline criminal actions) in the warzones vs. trained soldiers and Marines wearing the flag on their uniform, paid almost a tithe of that and subject to both military and international law?
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My thoughts are that Blackwater's presence (and Halliburton's) there was accomplished illegally by a rogue President/VP combo that have endangered our military's lives and enraged the Muslim world to a point where all Americans are in danger. My thoughts are that said combo are traitors to their country and their establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, from whom your generals and admirals all get their orders now, is the base from which their group will attempt a military takeover of the US in the very near future.

And you believe god appointed them so it's all good.
 
DHS doesn't have a thing to do with the generals or admirals or anyone else. Even Northern Command (charged with defense of US) is subordinate to the JCS for administrative control and National Command Authority (President) for executables.

Blackwater's presence is funded every year by your Congressmen. What does Bush/Cheney have to do with that?

Was Blackwater the cause of the 1993 WTC attack?

God did allow their elections/appointments. Why do you assume that means "it's all good"? In fact, why don't you just drop the religious overtones that you don't understand and claim not to care about? I mean, though you're just as wrong about military matters, you at least seem to want to listen to why you're wrong about those, though I could be wrong.
 
MARIS61 said:
I don't expect that I'd be the center of your universe, and I'm just a few clicks off-center in mine.

BTW, you are understandably frustrated at being unable to justify your abherrent behaviour for profit, but my judgement is sound, I have no anger nor hate towards you, I'm always right and I never lie, and those who truly know me say I am the epitomy of humility.
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I believe you when you say that you have no anger or hate towards me. I can't judge your heart, and don't try to. Another thing is that it is frustrating, though more of a "fly buzzing" than "anger-inducing", when you spend the time trying to show someone something they don't know and don't understand, only to have it not read, not understood or not cared about.
"Epitomy (sic) of humility" is generally an oxymoron. I showed you wrong in the post above, which puts into doubt your absolutes.

Now that we're on philosophy, why do you let your representatives keep sending me and my comrades-in-arms into harm's way to protect you, if you think that our behavior is abhorrent? Why do you let them keep spending your money on criminals being paid more than I'll make in 5 years to do a job that's illegally conceived and executed by criminals in your mind? Why do you rail against the people who go out to actually do the tough jobs while you sit on your couch and write falsehoods and untruths disparaging them?
The only habits I have involve the 3 C's, Coffee, Cigars, and Chocolate.
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I'd add "Confusion", as in "not looking for all the sides of the story before accepting someone else's opinion as my own and inviolable". An example of this is when I asked above if this was double jeopardy (hint: attempting to get facts before drawing conclusions) while your bias assigned an opinion to me, and then took it down a religious track that you don't understand in an attempt to...well, I don't know what. I don't understand that part. Maybe you can explain it to me.
 
I'm sure the prosecution would charge each guy with 1 or 2 counts of murder and not charge them for all 17. This way, they can charge them with the other murders and it's not double jeopardy.

This is a great case for putting the terrorists in guantanamo on trial in civil courts. They get off on technicalities, eh?
 
C'mon Brian, you know very well I have no control over what the Presdident and Congress do. I have 1 vote for Pres and 1 vote for each OREGON Rep and Senator. No vote in the other 49 states or Guam, Puerto Rico, and wherever else we sell voter rights.

I write them, I email them, I try to change other voter's minds by debate (here for example).

Nor am I ignorant about religions, their pawns, whose ends they ultimately serve, and their devastating impact on the state of the world.

But I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.

That's what's so frustrating about knowing you're right, eh?
 
...here is just a glimpse of our troubled times as the New World Order :devilwink: continues their "righteous" vendetta:

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MARIS61 said:
C'mon Brian, you know very well I have no control over what the Presdident and Congress do. I have 1 vote for Pres and 1 vote for each OREGON Rep and Senator. No vote in the other 49 states or Guam, Puerto Rico, and wherever else we sell voter rights.

I write them, I email them, I try to change other voter's minds by debate (here for example).

Nor am I ignorant about religions, their pawns, whose ends they ultimately serve, and their devastating impact on the state of the world.

But I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.

That's what's so frustrating about knowing you're right, eh?
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Excellent post.

I also think it's the simplest explanation why we should give our government less control, rather than more, over our lives.

On the other hand, I don't see how protections against unfair use of evidence should be considered part of the "New World Order". For that matter, using privateers is pretty old school.
 
MARIS61 said:
But I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.

That's what's so frustrating about knowing you're right, eh?
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There's a difference. I am fully willing to state that not all of my opinions are set in stone. I know that there is much more information about things than even I have at my fingertips. Even in this thread I haven't yet stated an opinion, but asked questions.

Your glee in stating that your mind isn't going to change is the problem. That, and your contention that you're always right. Hubris is comic and tragic when reading mythology. Hubris from a guy who doesn't know that DHS and DoD are two completely separate departments is something different. Opening your eyes to things that you don't understand, and going through the thought exercise of trying to understand it better, would do you well. Unfortunately, you seem to be one of those people from the survey who are too lazy to critically think.
 
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