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Blazer4ever said:
When Camby returns, I'd move Babbitt to the end of the bench, Dante to backup PF and use Camby where he should be used all season long - backup Center.

When everyone's healthy, I see us having 11 rotation players (not counting Armon or Babbitt, counting Dante): Miller, Roy, Rudy, Batum, LMA, Oden, Bayless, Wesley, Dante, Joel, Camby. I think all our Centers should play relatively few minutes (Oden plays every other game?) in order to keep them fresh and healthy for the playoffs and I can see how Armon could also get some minutes being our only "real" PG behind Andre.
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Never gonna happen, it'll be a nine man rotation at best.
 
Well, if you notice, from Miller to Oden on my list there are 6 players + I listed a full 2nd unit + Armon and Babbitt to add playmaking and shooting or cover for a player that's injured.
So, I'm guessing after last year, we're maybe more prepared to missing some players due to injuries. Hopefuly being prepared will provide good karma and nobody gets sidelined for too long.
 
Nate will never play that many guys! 9 man is what Nate wants!
 
HCP said:
Nate will never play that many guys! 9 man is what Nate wants!
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What part of "(in the imaginary world) when everyone's healthy" did you not understand? Was it the part in parentheses?

barfo
 
hasoos said:
What the fuck has Armon Johnson done to move ahead of anybody? He has only had one good pre season game so far, and that was against Golden State.
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He plays like Nate wants. Jerryd has more talent in his little finger than Johnson does, but Nate wants "his" type of player there
 
Oh, and a lof of you owe Mixum an apology for bashing him for saying Oden would be back in December.
 
hasoos said:
What the fuck has Armon Johnson done to move ahead of anybody? He has only had one good pre season game so far, and that was against Golden State.
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And that wasn't very good. Bayless looked a lot better in that game than Johnson, in fact he was one of the few Blazers who seemed OK.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Oh, and a lof of you owe Mixum an apology for bashing him for saying Oden would be back in December.
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IF Greg isn't back before Christmas, and MIXUM cites where he got the information that Greg wouldn't be back before then, I'll be happy to apologize. Just because he constantly takes the most gloomy position on anything Blazers doesn't make him some kind of guru when he's occasionally right.

Go Blazers
 
Blazer4ever said:
Well, if you notice, from Miller to Oden on my list there are 6 players + I listed a full 2nd unit + Armon and Babbitt to add playmaking and shooting or cover for a player that's injured.
So, I'm guessing after last year, we're maybe more prepared to missing some players due to injuries. Hopefuly being prepared will provide good karma and nobody gets sidelined for too long.
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Guys moving into the rotation to fill in for injured guys is not the same as a running 11 players in a game.
 
Mediocre Man said:
He plays like Nate wants. Jerryd has more talent in his little finger than Johnson does, but Nate wants "his" type of player there
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I will do you one better; he plays like Nate did.


Except not even a tenth as well.
 
another guy i said sucked 2 years ago.

its really amazing how some needs per stats or just stats in general to form an opinion. all i need is a tv. your eyes dont lie. bayless sucks.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Those are fair points, but is Jerryd really all that adept at scoring given his fairly weak inside and outside shooting percentages? When he doesn't draw a foul he gets capped and misses more sub 5ft shots than I'm comfortable in my bailout scorer getting.

In any case I don't think anybody is talking about promoting Armon to the starting lineup and that's he's somehow the PGOTF -- maybe he's just the backup PGOTF? -- it's possible that Nate just wants to use him in a second unit where guys like Matthews, Rudy and Dante need a guard who can set them up.

Bayless' shooting percentages by location: http://www.82games.com/0910/09POR5.HTM
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Heard that!
 
Video clip of Bayless admitting to Nate that he has a big head and little arms.

[video=youtube;IWoM8Fr1z4w]
 
MIXUM said:
another guy i said sucked 2 years ago.

its really amazing how some needs per stats or just stats in general to form an opinion. all i need is a tv. your eyes dont lie. bayless sucks.
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Who haven't you said sucks on the team?
 
Mediocre Man said:
8, including summer league
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Same. I haven't been impressed with him yet. Every time I have watched him he has been a turnover machine, and to me looks for his own shot just as much if not more than Bayless but he isn't as good as scorer.
 
hasoos said:
Same. I haven't been impressed with him yet. Every time I have watched him he has been a turnover machine, and to me looks for his own shot just as much if not more than Bayless but he isn't as good as scorer.
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I went to the game down here against the Warriors. Johnson got a lot of PT. While I don't think Armon has as much pure, general basketball talent, or pure athleticism, he did play the PG better than Bayless. Armon's man-to-man defense was also better than Bayless, while trying to guard Curry and Ellis.

I'm not saying I would put Armon in front of Bayless for the PG rotation yet, but I don't think there is a huge gap. If Armon can prove to hit the open jumper, he very well could be the better fit at PG for this team.
 
The problem is Bayless is not good at running the fast break, IMO (watch his head, he isn't surveying the floor while pushing the ball but more keeping his head down making sure he doesn't lose the ball). I personally would like to see Bayless start with Roy and bring in Andre at about the 5-7 minutes mark (of course that would disturb all kinds of chemistry issues) . . . but I think Nate wants a run and gun second unit and Bayless doesn't provide that from a PG standpoint.

I think Roy slows this team down (not saying that is a bad thing) . . . but a change of pace second unit could be effective on a Roy team and I don't think Bayless provides that.
 
it's_GO_time said:
The problem is Bayless is not good at running the fast break, IMO (watch his head, he isn't surveying the floor while pushing the ball but more keeping his head down making sure he doesn't lose the ball). I personally would like to see Bayless start with Roy and bring in Andre at about the 5-7 minutes mark (of course that would disturb all kinds of chemistry issues) . . . but I think Nate wants a run and gun second unit and Bayless doesn't provide that from a PG standpoint.

I think Roy slows this team down (not saying that is a bad thing) . . . but a change of pace second unit could be effective on a Roy team and I don't think Bayless provides that.
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That's kind of funny, the other day when watching the highlights from the first game against Golden State there were 5 highlights. All of them were fast breaks. 4 out of the 5 it was Bayless making the pass. The other was Miller.

I get the feeling that a lot of people don't like Bayless because he is an alpha male and his attitude rubs them wrong. Not because of how he plays.

You know how it is. Bayless leads the Blazers to victory over San Antonio, it's top of the world! Next day he doesn't score so much and it's back to hateville.
 
Don't judge Armon by what you've seen in preseason. He'll turn it on when the real games start.
 
hasoos said:
That's kind of funny, the other day when watching the highlights from the first game against Golden State there were 5 highlights. All of them were fast breaks. 4 out of the 5 it was Bayless making the pass. The other was Miller.

I get the feeling that a lot of people don't like Bayless because he is an alpha male and his attitude rubs them wrong. Not because of how he plays.
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I won't speak for anybody else, but actually, his Eff-U attitude is one of the things I like most about him; this team has been in woefully short supply of attitude for years and Bayless gives them a little bit of needed edge.

You know how it is. Bayless leads the Blazers to victory over San Antonio, it's top of the world! Next day he doesn't score so much and it's back to hateville.
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I loved what he was able to do in that game and I remember being pretty damn excited and happy for him (and the team) and then later it kind of sunk in that he was basically playing the mini-Roy role -- which has sort of been my point all along in this thread and others almost exactly like it; as long as Roy is here and filling that primary scorer role Bayless is unlikely to ever flourish as this team's starting point guard along Brandon, and becuase so many of the second unit guys require a decent setup man to be effective (Rudy, Dante, etc.) it's tough to put him in that group and hope to maximize it's productivity.
 
hasoos said:
That's kind of funny, the other day when watching the highlights from the first game against Golden State there were 5 highlights. All of them were fast breaks. 4 out of the 5 it was Bayless making the pass. The other was Miller.

I get the feeling that a lot of people don't like Bayless because he is an alpha male and his attitude rubs them wrong. Not because of how he plays.

You know how it is. Bayless leads the Blazers to victory over San Antonio, it's top of the world! Next day he doesn't score so much and it's back to hateville.
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I may be wrong about Bayless, but not because I think he is an alpha male. That is the part I really like about him . . . his highlights with all that intensity is good stuff (some of the best highlights during intro) Heck he can spray his scent on whatever he wants. I just agree with others here that he isn't a pure PG which is what is costing him PT.

You have mentioned those highlights before and I'm not doubting he can make an assist, but I'll stick to my analysis that I don't think he has good court vision. Forget the highlights, from when you watch Bayless, do you think he has good court vision and runs a good fast break?

I'm not even dogging Bayless. I pointed out I wouldn't even mind seeing him starting with Roy and bringing in Miller to spark the running game.

You have a valid last point . . . I think many fans were feeling good about Bayless from his playoff performance and then all of a sudden people seem to have soured on him (myself included). I don't know what to make of Bayless, but I'm not surprised to hear that Johnson is challenging Bayless for minutes at the point.
 
Well I think just about everyone knows my stance on Bayless so I am not going to beat a deadhorse, but if Rudy has taught any of these Blazer players anything, bitch like you have never bitched before and you will get playing time.
 
EGame said:
Well I think just about everyone knows my stance on Bayless so I am not going to beat a deadhorse, but if Rudy has taught any of these Blazer players anything, bitch like you have never bitched before and you will get playing time.
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Rudy has earned his playing time.

(not saying that Bayless has or hasn't, just addressing EGame's comment about Rudy)
 
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