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Word is that thousands are demonstrating in Teheran, only to be met with force by the government. We missed the boat on supporting the anti-theocracy uprising after Ahmadinejad's rigged re-election.

If we supported the demonstrators in Cairo, we can do the same in Teheran. It's time to bring real democracy to Iran; it's what they wanted when they pushed the Shah out in 1979, only to have it pushed aside by the mullahs.
 
This is what I said years ago about one of the things about the Iraq war. The westernization and liberation of Iraq from their dictator would encourage other nations to follow.
 
This is what I said years ago about one of the things about the Iraq war. The westernization and liberation of Iraq from their dictator would encourage other nations to follow.

I don't really feel that had much to do with it. It had more to do with 30%+ unemployment and living under the thumb of a ruler who ran the country like if the Mafia ran it. Nobody had any rights. In fact, some of the demonstrations going on by citizens unhappy with their government, Iraq is one of them. Amazingly enough they are demonstrating about the huge unemployment rate and the lack of services being provided by the government.
 
Word is that thousands are demonstrating in Teheran, only to be met with force by the government. We missed the boat on supporting the anti-theocracy uprising after Ahmadinejad's rigged re-election.

If we supported the demonstrators in Cairo, we can do the same in Teheran. It's time to bring real democracy to Iran; it's what they wanted when they pushed the Shah out in 1979, only to have it pushed aside by the mullahs.

Religious leaders after political power? No way. What a surprise. :ohno:
 
This is what I said years ago about one of the things about the Iraq war. The westernization and liberation of Iraq from their dictator would encourage other nations to follow.

I think it had the opposite effect. I think Iran was closer before we went into Iraq
 
^^I'm 180 degrees from you on this, so I'd like to hear your opinion why.
 
I think it had the opposite effect. I think Iran was closer before we went into Iraq

I think they overcompensated to make sure that it doesn't happen to them (show of force). However, as time goes by and other former dictatorships in the middle east fall and old traditions and ways of thinking are changed, so does places like Iran. The people will eventually revolt when they see places like Iraq and Egypt being liberated.
 
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I think they overcompensated to make sure that it doesn't happen to them (show of force). However, as time goes by and other former dictatorships in the middle east fall and old traditions and ways of thinking are changed, so does places like Iran. The people will eventually revolt when they see places like Iraq and Egypt being liberated.

I generally agree with your logic, that realizing things can change will encourage other citizenry to revolt. But I think that a lot of rulers in the middle east used Iraq as an example of why they must stay strong. That the "evil" western world is trying to do bad things, thus you must keep strong dictat... er... holy leader in place! I must admit a lot of my knowledge is hearsay that Iranians were excited about change before we invaded Iraq, and less so after.
 
The people will eventually revolt when they see places like Iraq and Egypt being liberated.

First it's foolish to say that Iraq is actually "liberated", it's a mess & who knows when they'll have a stable functioning government w/o US intervention. Frankly the place could fall into a heated civil war the moment the USA leaves. I am doubting that citizens of the middle east view the Iraq invasion, which cost 100,000 civilian lives, as an inspiring story of liberation & democracy.

Keep in mind that Egypt is overthrowing a US puppet. I don't think the Egyptian people have warm fuzzy feelings for the USA or feel the US policy in Iraq has anything to do with their uprising.

For all we know, waiting 7 - 8 years for Facebook & Twitter to take over the middle east might have achieved greater results than the Iraq war at much less cost.
 
Mullahs and the Iranian gov't are arresting protesters.

Is it time for our President to stand up for the Iranian people, just like he stood up for the Egyptian people at the expense of a quasi-ally? The existing regime is placing the blame on violent protesters, of course, it's their own state-run media making these claims.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/14/us-iran-opposition-idUSTRE71D1RT20110214

Iran opposition protests, agency reports shooting

(Reuters) - Thousands of Iranian opposition activists rallied in support of popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia on Monday and a semi-official news agency said one person was shot dead and several wounded by protesters.

An opposition website said dozens were arrested while taking part in the banned protests, which amounted to a test of strength for the reformist opposition in the Islamic state.

By late evening, chants of "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest) echoed from Tehran rooftops in scenes reminiscent of 2009 protests against the disputed reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Eight people were killed in those mass street demonstrations which lasted about a month and resulted in many arrests and several executions.

A witness said security forces fired teargas to scatter thousands marching toward a Tehran square on Monday. There were also clashes between police and demonstrators, and dozens of arrests, in the city of Isfahan, another witness told Reuters.

The semi-official Fars news agency cited violence on the part of protesters in a report that could herald a hard line by authorities clearly eager to head off any resurgent opposition.

"One person was shot dead and several were wounded by seditionists (opposition supporters) who staged a rally in Tehran," Fars said, without giving further details.

Some Tehran protesters chanted "Death to the dictator" during protests, which continued in some places into the evening. Other demonstrators marched in silence.

Some chants drew comparisons between the Iranian leadership and the autocrats deposed in recent weeks in Tunis and Cairo.

By late evening, the protests appeared to have eased off.

Amnesty International condemned the authorities' reaction.

"Iranians have a right to gather to peacefully express their support for the people of Egypt and Tunisia," it said.

Describing events, state television said: "Hypocrites, monarchists, thugs and seditionists who wanted to create public disorder in Iran were arrested by our brave nation ... These people set garbage bins on fire and damaged public property."

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia against secular, Western-allied rulers an "Islamic awakening," akin to the 1979 revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah in Iran.

But the opposition see events in Tunisia and Egypt as resembling their own protests after the June 2009 election which they say was rigged in favor of President Ahmadinejad.

...continued at link...
 
Is it really any of our business? For the most part we let things play out in Egypt and I think it came to a good conclusion- the people made the choice. Same with Iran, if enough people get fed up, there will be changes. That said, I have no problem with Obama taking sides, per se, but to actively support revolution is not wise for a government to do.
 
Is it really any of our business? For the most part we let things play out in Egypt and I think it came to a good conclusion- the people made the choice. Same with Iran, if enough people get fed up, there will be changes. That said, I have no problem with Obama taking sides, per se, but to actively support revolution is not wise for a government to do.

agreed. :cheers:
 
Is it really any of our business? For the most part we let things play out in Egypt and I think it came to a good conclusion- the people made the choice. Same with Iran, if enough people get fed up, there will be changes. That said, I have no problem with Obama taking sides, per se, but to actively support revolution is not wise for a government to do.

You better watch out, BP, I've become a fan of your common sense lately.
 

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Obama, if you screw this one up, history will never forgive you. Think about that. You will never be forgiven by history. You're the president of the United States of America. Swallow your pride. Get rid of that clown Clapper, get rid of all the incompetents advising you, and get an experienced A-team in the White House, now.

Yeahhhhhh that's not biased at all.
 
Word is that thousands are demonstrating in Teheran, only to be met with force by the government. We missed the boat on supporting the anti-theocracy uprising after Ahmadinejad's rigged re-election.

If we supported the demonstrators in Cairo, we can do the same in Teheran. It's time to bring real democracy to Iran; it's what they wanted when they pushed the Shah out in 1979, only to have it pushed aside by the mullahs.

The Shah was run off because he was viewed as a puppet of America, which he was to some extent. Democracy was not wanted back then, nor is it now. If anything, Ahmadinejad is viewed as too "Western" to Iranians.
 
The US Foreign Policy is patterned after the time-tested game plan of christian missionaries.

These savages are too ignorant to know what's good for them. We need to save them from themselves.
 
Is it really any of our business? For the most part we let things play out in Egypt and I think it came to a good conclusion- the people made the choice. Same with Iran, if enough people get fed up, there will be changes. That said, I have no problem with Obama taking sides, per se, but to actively support revolution is not wise for a government to do.

Was it any of our business to call the Egyptian protesters "an inspiration", and that Mubarak should allow for a "transistions"?

Say what you want, but the facts say that Obama has twice now failed to validate the concerns of the Iranian people against the mullahs. Somebody please try to refute this statement.
 
The Shah was run off because he was viewed as a puppet of America, which he was to some extent. Democracy was not wanted back then, nor is it now. If anything, Ahmadinejad is viewed as too "Western" to Iranians.



So an Islamist regime is jailing and shooting protesters because they are too Islamist?

Sorry, but that is an idiotic post.
 
So, the Egyptian military junta is now in control of the country.

Any reports from Egypt lately? The 24/7 US media coverage suddenly ceased.
 
So an Islamist regime is jailing and shooting protesters because they are too Islamist?

Sorry, but that is an idiotic post.

It's your post so I'll not argue the point.

More accurately, Islamists are protesting a government that has strayed from Islamist ideals.

Much like our government, and most governments, they have been deceiving and manipulating their people using religion and patriotism as a veil.

Unfortunately for the protesters, Iran has an elite military that will crush them like bugs.
 
Was it any of our business to call the Egyptian protesters "an inspiration", and that Mubarak should allow for a "transistions"?

Say what you want, but the facts say that Obama has twice now failed to validate the concerns of the Iranian people against the mullahs. Somebody please try to refute this statement.

He's done more than PapaG. Somebody please try to refute this statement.
 
He's done more than PapaG. Somebody please try to refute this statement.

True. Apparently, he has 'inspired' Iranians to protest their government. Now those protesters are being shot and jailed. When does our President make a week-long drama about Iran, and how the mullahs and their puppet president should step aside?
 
Unfortunately for the protesters, Iran has an elite military that will crush them like bugs.

Not refuting whether or not protesters will get crushed, but to compare Iran's military to Egypt's isn't favorable to Iran.
 
Unfortunately for the protesters, Iran has an elite military that will crush them like bugs.


So did Egypt's military. Yet, they didn't have to crush their citizens like bugs to enact at least a cosmetic change of leadership.
 

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