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1 Eye Jack said:
i still think Butler can be had if Miami struggles in playoffs
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This is actually a good topic for an offseason thread. What players might suddenly become available after their seasons end? We know about Grant. We can add Randle as well to that list. A few FA's also could be looking at other destinations. But here are some others who I think might surface in discussions to change teams if their current teams flameout:

- Jimmy Butler
- Victor Oladipo (FA)
- Jaylen Brown (I wish)
- Tobias Harris
- Siakam (another wish)
- Zach LaVine (FA)
- Kyrie Irving (FA)
- John Collins
- Bogdan Bogdanovic
- Bradley Beal (FA)
- Jalen Smith (FA)
- TJ Warren (FA)
- Gary Harris (FA)

- Cam Johnson (I wish)
- Dillon Brooks
- Kyle Anderson (FA)
- Draymond (would take a massive first round upset)
- Utah Jazz ( that whole team is ripe for a blowup)
- Zion (!)
- Anthony Davis
- Lebron (!)
- Harrison Barnes
- Christian Wood

I think we need to step a bit out of this Jerami Grant bubble, and keep our options open. And I would wait to get the Simons/Nurk deals done in case we want to suddenly jump under the cap for some reason if S&T opportunities arise.
 
Wade Garrett said:
I am NOT a Nassir Little fan.
Personally, I really don't get the hype at all.
6pts 6rebs just doesn't rock my world.
I would package him with the picks to try to get a Bobby Portis type guy.
And FWIW, I disagree with you on Eubanks. I think there's something there.
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He can have a huge effect on games when he gets going. I just am shy about his injuries? Doesn't seem to stay on the court.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
He can have a huge effect on games when he gets going. I just am shy about his injuries? Doesn't seem to stay on the court.
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Yeah he is still young and was improving as the season went along. His hustle and defense do not always show up in the box score. As a 220 lb, SF with a 7'2 wingspan ihe can switch off on PFs and guards Both his turn-around jumper and his 3 pt shot were encouraging. And his juries are not the type that will affect him long-term. (covid, dehydration, thumb injury, sprained ankle, even a torn labrum) It would be short sited to get rid of him as he is just turned 22 and IMO has a high ceiling. I love his energy.
 
It's fair to be skeptical or even doubt Nas at this point. I'm optimistic he can put it all together because he's managed to show spectacular play in flashes in spite of being jerked around by Stotts after an up-and-down one year at UNC and then a plethora of weird ailments. We also have a couple of options to fill the 3 in case he doesn't get over the injuries, but, I think just coming into his fourth year with the massive upside he has, I'm not ready to give up on him just yet.
 
The team will almost certainly be better next year than it is now, but... I think this current team might be the worst NBA team in a decade.

Selfishly, I don't want to see the team go for it next year. I think we're too far away, and we'll be mired in mediocrity rather than giving the franchise a chance to build properly for the future.

I understand, though, that tickets need to be sold and not everyone has my long-term patience, so I unfortunately suspect we'll apply some bandaids to the roster, give up some valuable assets, and get knocked out of the first round in the playoffs after having no real chance to advance.
 
If we trade one our picks to acquire a very good front line 4/3 veteran, we may have to attached a guy like Naz?
 
Ed O said:
The team will almost certainly be better next year than it is now, but... I think this current team might be the worst NBA team in a decade.

Selfishly, I don't want to see the team go for it next year. I think we're too far away, and we'll be mired in mediocrity rather than giving the franchise a chance to build properly for the future.

I understand, though, that tickets need to be sold and not everyone has my long-term patience, so I unfortunately suspect we'll apply some bandaids to the roster, give up some valuable assets, and get knocked out of the first round in the playoffs after having no real chance to advance.
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It's not unfathomable to have a relatively quick rebuild if we retain the right pieces and make the right moves after bottoming out.

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I see Ingles on another team and McLemore retained because he can be average any time he wants. With Dame back, I see him morphed into a motivated player.
 
Hoopguru said:
If we trade one our picks to acquire a very good front line 4/3 veteran, we may have to attached a guy like Naz?
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Then what you are doing is trading Nassir Little and throwing in a pick. Now do you think you will get a "Very Good" 4/3 Veteran?

Picks only have the value of "Hope" and "Faith". The actual player who has played at the NBA level is what you can gauge. Seriously i am in the middle of conversations on Twitter with dudes telling me because So and So has a wing span of 7 feet and a standing reach of 8 foot whatever this guy is going to be a great NBA player? Teams that think like this stay in the lottery.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Then what you are doing is trading Nassir Little and throwing in a pick. Now do you think you will get a "Very Good" 4/3 Veteran?

Picks only have the value of "Hope" and "Faith". The actual player who has played at the NBA level is what you can gauge. Seriously i am in the middle of conversations on Twitter with dudes telling me because So and So has a wing span of 7 feet and a standing reach of 8 foot whatever this guy is going to be a great NBA player? Teams that think like this stay in the lottery.
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It takes two teams wanting to deal and sure maybe no one is interested in the picks. Salaries are a challenge too with trades. Besides Dame we do have assets to reconfigure the roster but if a team is going to move form a legit "very good/star" 4/3 it will take a combination of assets of which we do have now.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Then what you are doing is trading Nassir Little and throwing in a pick. Now do you think you will get a "Very Good" 4/3 Veteran?

Picks only have the value of "Hope" and "Faith". The actual player who has played at the NBA level is what you can gauge. Seriously i am in the middle of conversations on Twitter with dudes telling me because So and So has a wing span of 7 feet and a standing reach of 8 foot whatever this guy is going to be a great NBA player? Teams that think like this stay in the lottery.
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Sounds like someone we should take at #37
 
Wade Garrett said:
I am NOT a Nassir Little fan.
Personally, I really don't get the hype at all.
6pts 6rebs just doesn't rock my world.
I would package him with the picks to try to get a Bobby Portis type guy.
I would try to sign Jalen Smith, he's breaking out for Indy after trade from Suns and is a UFA and all Indy can offer is 4.75 mil, can play small ball C or PF
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I can see the Blazers making a run Bucks style. Milwaukee proved you don't have to have a bunch of stars, just one really good one and (the right mix of) a bunch of really good role players.
 
Chris Craig said:
I can see the Blazers making a run Bucks style. Milwaukee proved you don't have to have a bunch of stars, just one really good one and (the right mix of) a bunch of really good role players.
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phoenix suns are the same

really good constructed team and monty williams is doing a good job
 
Chris Craig said:
I can see the Blazers making a run Bucks style. Milwaukee proved you don't have to have a bunch of stars, just one really good one and (the right mix of) a bunch of really good role players.
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When you say really good role players you're including Jrue Holiday and Khris Middleton. Right now (and I know there's a lot of time between now and the beginning of the season) the only role player that we have that's even possibly close to the level of those guys is Ant and his breakout that makes him close to those guys happened playing the same role as our superstar. So, to me a lot of moves have to be made... a move into the top three in the draft and/or trade(s) that get us a couple role players on that Jrue/Khris level.
 
Chris Craig said:
I can see the Blazers making a run Bucks style. Milwaukee proved you don't have to have a bunch of stars, just one really good one and (the right mix of) a bunch of really good role players.
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Milwaukee has a great two way player that has been a league MVP. That is typical of what you need to get a championship.
 
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Chris Craig said:
I can see the Blazers making a run Bucks style. Milwaukee proved you don't have to have a bunch of stars, just one really good one and (the right mix of) a bunch of really good role players.
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So Dame could fill Jrue contributions. He isn't the defender, but is better on offense so I could see that.

We just need to add an all star in Middleton... other than that, and oh yeah a two time MVP, sure we can make a run Bucks style.
 
this ain’t happening, but…
Depending on how the Jazz do in the playoffs, I could see them blowing it up since it’s heavily reported that Donovan wants out and Gobert is such a tough big to build around. If the Blazers got a top three I could see that pick as a centerpiece with along with Nurk and ingles for Gobert. Not sure how to fill in the rest but I think Grant would be great next to Gobert. I think that would be killer next to Lillard, Simons from the outside and filling in with Hart, Winslow , little Keon, Trendon and the rest.
 
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this ain’t happening, but…
Depending on how the Jazz do in the playoffs, I could see them blowing it up since it’s heavily reported that Donovan wants out and Gobert is such a tough big to build around. If the Blazers got a top three I could see that pick as a centerpiece with along with Nurk and ingles for Gobert. Not sure how to fill in the rest but I think Grant would be great next to Gobert. I think that would be killer next to Lillard, Simons from the outside and filling in with Hart, Winslow , little Keon, Trendon and the rest.
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I hope to hell NOT

unless it's Jokic, I'd never pay a C what Gobert if making:

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that's fucking ridiculous...paying him 42M/year over the next 4 years. I don't care how many DPOY he wins, he's not worth that
 
wizenheimer said:
I hope to hell NOT

unless it's Jokic, I'd never pay a C what Gobert if making:

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that's fucking ridiculous...paying him 42M/year over the next 4 years. I don't care how many DPOY he wins, he's not worth that
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We have Dame and want to win. How do we put a title-contending team around Dame? I don’t see a clear answer but if there is a way it’s by covering for Dames weaknesses and letting Dame shine at what he is incredible at doing. Forget position and if Gobert is being overpaid for a second, does Gobert make sense to actually build around with Dame in the immediate? Gobert is one of the absolute best defenders in the league, a great rebounder and can is adequate on offense from the inside if not being relied upon to be THE scorer. He would be amazing with Billups, and allow Dame and Simons to funnel the opposition instead of having to actually defend them, which they can’t. On top of that, the Blazers can afford it now. They no longer have CJ or other crap contracts, they have some tradable assets and Gobert is the very rare excellent player who is achievable. He would also work well alongside Grant whose biggest weakness is shit rebounding, alongside Simons who is one of the best shooters in the league and of course Dame. Our options are limited, especially if you want to contend in the next 3 years. Overpaying for Gobert at least is overpaying for someone who is very good and would fit extremely well.
 
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We have Dame and want to win. How do we put a title-contending team around Dame? I don’t see a clear answer but if there is a way it’s by covering for Dames weaknesses and letting Dame shine at what he is incredible at doing. Forget position and if Gobert is being overpaid for a second, does Gobert make sense to actually build around with Dame in the immediate? Gobert is one of the absolute best defenders in the league, a great rebounder and can is adequate on offense from the inside if not being relied upon to be THE scorer. He would be amazing with Billups, and allow Dame and Simons to funnel the opposition instead of having to actually defend them, which they can’t. On top of that, the Blazers can afford it now. They no longer have CJ or other crap contracts, they have some tradable assets and Gobert is the very rare excellent player who is achievable. He would also work well alongside Grant whose biggest weakness is shit rebounding, alongside Simons who is one of the best shooters in the league and of course Dame. Our options are limited, especially if you want to contend in the next 3 years. Overpaying for Gobert at least is overpaying for someone who is very good and would fit extremely well.
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Gobert hasn't made Utah a contender; Gobert + Mitchell + Conley + Bogdanvic' + Clarkson hasn't been close to contention. He's not going to make Portland one either, but his huge contract would foreclose on any option the Blazers might have to contend
 
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