Nic Batum Contract Status......

[jlprk]

I guess the Blazers think he is asking for more than he has shown he is worth, so far. If he can prove he is worth that over the rest of the season, then they can match any offer; possibly figuring it'll be about what he wants now.

You guys seem surprised that management didn't strike a deal with Batum the first day of negotiations. Whoever's doing the talks has Pritchard's firing in mind. Remember why he was fired?

Hardball negotiations will go on a long time.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This was brilliant. The front office absolutely did the right thing. Portland has a real chance to be a player this summer for free agents, and they know they can match any offer Nic gets. You also never want to pay a sub starters money.

 

[PapaG]

This was brilliant. The front office absolutely did the right thing. Portland has a real chance to be a player this summer for free agents, and they know they can match any offer Nic gets. You also never want to pay a sub starters money.

Nic will be the starter if he's matched, though, because Wallace will be gone.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nic will be the starter if he's matched, though, because Wallace will be gone.

Awesome, then pay him and start him. Until we are absolutely sure that is the direction we are going then don't pay him

 

[Masbee]

Did I ever make that case? I said he's playing a like a borderline all-star and now he's getting paid like one ... that's it.

What part of 17 games do you have a mind block comprehending?

Do you know how many players in the NBA were hot shit for 20 or 30 games once in their career, but nothing special the rest of it?

A shit ton load.

I am not predicting that career arc for Gallinari - however he made a big jump this season compared to last season on the same team with the same coach. His defense is significantly improved over the entire history of his NBA career. And defense is about effort and committment. Where was these past years? This kind of sudden jump and improved defense is awful suspicious and usually not sustained.

Maybe the Nugs get lucky.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

An aside on DRtg... Everyone's DRtg looks really incredible due to the exceptional amount of shitty basketball being played right now. Last season, the league average D/ORtg (remember, when they're league-wide, the average is the same) was 107.3 points per 100 possessions. In 2010, it was 107.6, and in 2009, it was 108.3... this season? 102.4 points per possession.

Essentially, add 5 to everyone's DRtg to get what it would be if everyone was in shape and playing halfway decently.

 

[Nikolokolus]

What part of 17 games do you have a mind block comprehending?

Do you know how many players in the NBA were hot shit for 20 or 30 games once in their career, but nothing special the rest of it?

A shit ton load.

I am not predicting that career arc for Gallinari - however he made a big jump this season compared to last season on the same team with the same coach. His defense is significantly improved over the entire history of his NBA career. And defense is about effort and committment. Where was these past years? This kind of sudden jump and improved defense is awful suspicious and usually not sustained.

Maybe the Nugs get lucky.

If this wasn't Gallo's second contract you'd have a perfectly valid point, but It's not "just 17 games;" he's 23 and coming to the end of his rookie scale deal ... and he's been a productive player (15-16 PER scorer) his three years prior. He was a lottery pick, he's playing like a budding star and now he gets the money that comes with it.

 

[RR7]

Batum's agent seems pissed. Larry Miller is in over his head. NBA business is obviously not his forte. Go back to Nike!

In over his head? Why, because we didn't extend him to a reasonable deal? Isn't that pretty impossible to say without knowing what his agent was asking for? What if his agent was asking for 11 a year? Miller's an idiot for not giving it to him?

I'm bummed we didn't extend him, but only because I was hoping we could somehow get him to a reasonable extension. I'd be mroe bummed if we extended him at 11 or 12 per year. Since we don't know the offers, I'd say saying someone is in over his head is a little premature.

 

[RR7]

As for offers in the offseason, I think day one, you make a huge offer to Brook Lopez. RFA have to be matched in 3 days under new CBA. NJ is going to want to work out aplan for Dwight and Deron. Chances are, those guys will not want to hurry to make a decision. So you force NJ's hand, by day one, max offer to Brook,a nd make them decide on Brook, or their hopes of deron and Dwight.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

As for offers in the offseason, I think day one, you make a huge offer to Brook Lopez. RFA have to be matched in 3 days under new CBA. NJ is going to want to work out aplan for Dwight and Deron. Chances are, those guys will not want to hurry to make a decision. So you force NJ's hand, by day one, max offer to Brook,a nd make them decide on Brook, or their hopes of deron and Dwight.

Id like to see that

 

[Mediocre Man]

As for offers in the offseason, I think day one, you make a huge offer to Brook Lopez. RFA have to be matched in 3 days under new CBA. NJ is going to want to work out aplan for Dwight and Deron. Chances are, those guys will not want to hurry to make a decision. So you force NJ's hand, by day one, max offer to Brook,a nd make them decide on Brook, or their hopes of deron and Dwight.

I like this idea, sorta, but Lopez will not be in NJ at seasons end

 

[RR7]

I like this idea, sorta, but Lopez will not be in NJ at seasons end

Probably not. Obviously, that plan all depends on teams staying relatively similar to how they are now. no Dwight trade. no big NJ trade, no Deron trade. Otherwise, you look at th ebig free agents, and they all seem to like taking their time. Maybe forcing the issue helps us? If not, what do you lose? 3 days of time.

 

[Boob-No-More]

As for offers in the offseason, I think day one, you make a huge offer to Brook Lopez. RFA have to be matched in 3 days under new CBA. NJ is going to want to work out aplan for Dwight and Deron. Chances are, those guys will not want to hurry to make a decision. So you force NJ's hand, by day one, max offer to Brook,a nd make them decide on Brook, or their hopes of deron and Dwight.

I REALLY don't see Brook Lopez as a max contract guy. Yeah, he's a big who can score, so somebody will overpay him, I just hope it's not us. The guy is a horrible rebounder. He averaged 6.0 RPG last season in 35.2 MPG with a TRB% of 10.0. That's Bargnani-like historically bad rebounding for a 7-footer. People around here are constantly bitching about Aldridge's rebounding, but next to Brook Lopez, he will look like Dennis Rodman.

BNM

 

[Nikolokolus]

I REALLY don't see Brook Lopez as a max contract guy. Yeah, he's a big who can score, so somebody will overpay him, I just hope it's not us. The guy is a horrible rebounder. He averaged 6.0 RPG last season in 35.2 MPG with a TRB% of 10.0. That's Bargnani-like historically bad rebounding for a 7-footer. People around here are constantly bitching about Aldridge's rebounding, but next to Brook Lopez, he will look like Dennis Rodman.

BNM

I'd much rather go after Hibbert personally ... beyond that there are some really nice big-men prospects in this year's draft (who will probably be gone by the time we select).

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'd much rather go after Hibbert personally ... beyond that there are some really nice big-men prospects in this year's draft (who will probably be gone by the time we select).

The upcoming draft is certainly top heavy in big men. That's a rarity. Maybe we should look to move up rather than maxing out a slightly better than average (on the whole) big man like Brrok Lopez.

BNM

 

[Nikolokolus]

What part of 17 games do you have a mind block comprehending?

Do you know how many players in the NBA were hot shit for 20 or 30 games once in their career, but nothing special the rest of it?

A shit ton load.

I am not predicting that career arc for Gallinari - however he made a big jump this season compared to last season on the same team with the same coach. His defense is significantly improved over the entire history of his NBA career. And defense is about effort and committment. Where was these past years? This kind of sudden jump and improved defense is awful suspicious and usually not sustained.

Maybe the Nugs get lucky.

Since I can't seem to explain it properly here's Hollinger's take if that helps you:

Gallinari: Comparables the key
Denver's decision with Gallinari was similar. My initial reaction upon seeing the four-year, $42 million deal was that the Denver Nuggets overvalued their own player again, just as they did with Arron Afflalo. Looking a bit closer, however, this looks like a much better deal. The key is to focus on the position: Big wings who can score are very rare commodities.

And Gallinari has played extremely well thus far. Among small forwards, only LeBron James and Kevin Durant outrank him in PER. He has never played in an All-Star Game and might not ever do so, but he's 23 and extremely productive.

If you compare Gallo at $10 million a year to other not-quite-All-Star wings, you quickly realize this is a pretty good contract. The three best comparables all get considerably more: Andre Iguodala makes $13.5 million this season, Luol Deng $12 million and Rudy Gay $15 million. I realize all three of these deals are considered to be a bit generous, but Gallinari's tally is considerably less.

Similarly, look at forwards who are clearly worse than Gallinari: Hedo Turkoglu gets $11 million, Richard Jefferson $9 million, Caron Butler $8.4 million and Marvin Williams $7.5 million, and Tayshaun Prince made $11 million a year ago and re-signed for $7 million.

High-scoring small forwards are deceptively difficult to find, and Gallinari is still on the upswing. The Nuggets did the right thing to lock him in at those dollars.

 

[jlprk]

In fantasy, Gallinari is elite at both forward positions. (Jarrett Jack is elite and Gerald Wallace is average.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?page=hardcorenba120119

 

[Masbee]

So Hollinger does two things.

First he lists not quite all star wings and fails to mention that Gallo has only played at that level for a short period of time.

Then he mentions lesser wings and lists some of their salaries. While he does mention that that some of the guys received shockingly high contracts he fails to mention that we are now under a new CBA.

Failure to keep a lid on non all star salaries will hamper teams.

I dont think Hollinger piece was that helpful or insightful. Hey look at all these overpaid dudes from the old cba.

 

[magnifier661]

So Hollinger does two things.

First he lists not quite all star wings and fails to mention that Gallo has only played at that level for a short period of time.

Then he mentions lesser wings and lists some of their salaries. While he does mention that that some of the guys received shockingly high contracts he fails to mention that we are now under a new CBA.

Failure to keep a lid on non all star salaries will hamper teams.

I dont think Hollinger piece was that helpful or insightful. Hey look at all these overpaid dudes from the old cba.

I agree with this. Only new York or Los Angeles will actually afford to pay the very big luxury tax penalties. I don't think many teams will really feel the bite until that kicks in. And I guess many owners will be kicking their gms for not planning for the future.

 

[HailBlazers]

I agree with this. Only new York or Los Angeles will actually afford to pay the very big luxury tax penalties.

And the teams like the Blazers will suffer when their talent goes away.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nb...um-rejected-blazers-contract-extension-offer/

'When Batum becomes a restricted free agent, we’ll look at the other 29 teams before we talk to the Blazers,’ Batum’s agent Bouna Ndiaye said. ‘The Blazers had their chance.’

Bye bye Batum if we don't give him Gallo status.

 

[Draco]

Talk to the other 29 teams? I hope he signs a max deal with the Heat or Lakers. As they can only offer 3 years at a total of $9 million... Yeah I think we're happily matching that.

 

[RR7]

And the teams like the Blazers will suffer when their talent goes away.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nb...um-rejected-blazers-contract-extension-offer/

Bye bye Batum if we don't give him Gallo status.

Well, someone else has to first. And he only leaves if we want him to. He can't leave on his own after this season.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Hopefully someone gives him gallo money. Then we can wave goodbye and laugh at the team paying him that

 

[Masbee]

And the teams like the Blazers will suffer when their talent goes away.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nb...um-rejected-blazers-contract-extension-offer/

Bye bye Batum if we don't give him Gallo status.

And this comment is based on what exactly?

Batum will be a restricted free agent, so sure, his agent can say they will talk to the other 29 teams. He is pissed he didn't get the deal he promised Batum he would deliver. The agent now looks like a chump. The agent has to wait another year to find out what his greedy little cut of the contract is going to be. Another year of waiting to order his new Ferrari. Too fucking bad for him.

As you can tell I despise slimy agents who blow smoke, bluster and bluff and bullshit, and talk shit and act all tough.

 

[HailBlazers]

BATUMSHAKALAKA! Batum is a beast. If only he played like that all the time for the Blazers.

Hopefully someone gives him gallo money. Then we can wave goodbye and laugh at the team paying him that

We don't and somebody will, a team with a coach that knows how to use him, possibility a point guard too, then we'll be crying like we chose Oden over Durant when he blows up.

As you can tell I despise slimy agents who blow smoke, bluster and bluff and bullshit, and talk shit and act all tough.

On that we agree. I'm not saying Batum is worth Gallo money per-say, just that the agents are simply looking out for their own interest at the demise of the NBA. The system is not broke, it's fixed.

 

[STOMP]

I'd be ok with a Batum contract comparable to Wesley's. But I think we can agree Batum will ask for more than that.

It's a good comparison because both guys are relatively close in their talent levels and age. But getting a decent starter like Wesley for a full MLE contract is a good deal for the team. Because Nic's a size larger and quality size is a limited commodity, my guess at whats fair is about 7-8M per year... 4 years & 30M sounds about right

STOMP