<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I haven't changed my opinion on Krstic. And does it specifically say that Nenad was guarding Shaq in the series? "Doing stuff" means scoring on Shaq in the low post. Don't just assume everything based on 2 words.
He didn't do it much, but sometimes he could really do well against Shaq in the low post with Collins side help. But after that game, Miami changed up their game plan so Haslem defended Krstic for the rest of the series which made him go to his perimeter ways and struggle from the outside which cost New Jersey the series without the third scorer they needed. They had no bench that year. No Eddie House, Josh Boone, Boki Nachbar, or Marcus Williams which is another reason why the lost. While the Heat had James Posey, Gary Payton, Antonie Walker, and a whole lot of more players who could come in and compete consistently on a good level unlike the Nets bench which was very thin.</div>
Ok... all this is rif-raff, you just seem to go on and on. But, it has no relevance on what we are debating on. We were supposed to debate on Byron Scott's positive and negative aspects of him being fired. But, it seems we have strayed way off topic. You seem so intent on comparing teams. Yes Miami is the better team, that is not my argument though. Again you said, Kristic and Jason Collins together did good against him in the post sometimes. Which has to be enough, because the rest of the team has to step up and help out and shut down others. Also, its not because of Shaq that you guys lost those series, he was part of it, but it was mostly Wade. For one, you keep stating Shaq "The most dominant player to ever play he game." Also, you keep questioning my knowledge of basketball by saying "I doubt..." or "I don think you know..." When I have to ask... Have you even watched Shaq played in the past 2-3 years. He has been anything but Dominant. He is no longer the Shaq of the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When we played the Heat in 2005, Jefferson played limited minutes do to coming back off an injury that made him miss nearly 60 games. Carter was being defended excellently, and Kidd was struggling at times. Krstic was a rookie when he was scoring on the most dominate player ever. He wasn't the one that was guarding him on defense. That was Collins and Krstic would come in some times for weak side help. On offense, Shaq wasn't quick enough to stop Krstic which is another reason they put Haslem on him so he could make him go for low percentage shots. In 2006, the Nets still didn't have the pieces they needed to beat the Heat. Yes, the Heat were the better team that season, but you seem to forget, the Nets beat them by double digits in the first game. The Nets had Clifford Robinson in that game. Robinson, despite bing 40 years old, was the Nets best bench player and he was the one that came out and gave the team a spark. He came in and defended the perimeter well along with making many jump shots along the way. he got suspended after the first game for not listening to the NBA's drug policy so he was out for the rest of the series. And I'm sure you know that you can't win games without any chemistry, confidence, or momentum even with alot of skill. I mean look at the Knicks! The Nets lost their best bench player which also let them down and made the big 3 lose confidence cause they had no one to come off the bench and help them out and it put alot of pressure on the young Nenad Krstic which is another reason why he struggled without the help of Cliff Robinson.</div>
More rif-raf all this is, but I will debate on this, if you insist. In 2005, the Nets were swept, they should at least have won 1 game. You stated that they need Chemistry, Confidence, and Momentum to win games right? They had that in 2005. They were almost a lottery team, when they started having thier multiple winning streaks and overdid the odds and solidified themselves into the playoffs. To have mutiple winning streaks means, means Chemistry, Confidence, and Momentum. Then again in 2006, they were predicted to get to the finals. They had all thier players healthy and Carter was coming off his best season ever. They had all the Chemistry and were in the 3rd spot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd played excellent in 2003. Much better than his 05 playoffs. In the 03 playoffs he averaged 20 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. In the 05 playoffs 12 points, 9 assists, and 6 rebounds on 37 percent filed goal shooting compared to his 40 in 2003. If you watched the Nets in 05,
(which I doubt you did) you would notice that he still had his knee problems coming off the surgery, but he still gave a 100 percent effort even though he was playing at 50.
Not only does the bench make them much better, but so does the "big man" position. I would take a young Collins and a K-Mart in his prime over a old Collins and Krstic. Kidd was also much better in 2003. You have seem to forgotten that was the year he was supposed to be the MVP, but got robbed by Duncan. He was second in voting, though.
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Alright, firstly stats do not mean anything. Kidd was young and had all the energy and legs to put up the stats. Kidd is still effective and is as good as he ever was. He can still make everyone around him better and is the best at doing it.
For the bold part, I suggest you read my first paragraph.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kittles is by far the better defender, Carter is by far the better offensive player. But he lacks the
heart and determination we need to have him step up in the
playoffs. Example: this year</div>
Carter is a better player overall then Kittles by far. But, if you think Kittles is better, its fine with me.
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Only the bench??? The bench is one of the most important keys to winning games. You can't go far without a deep one.</div>
Really...? I did not know at all.
If you accutually read my post throughly, I said the bench is what makes the old team better.
Let me refresh your memory yet again...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Bench is alot, which makes them a slightly better team. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I am. Shaq coming to the east made the center game in the east much better. He became the dominat force that the Nets had to be recking with. So it seems like the Nets have lost to Shaq's team on several occasions.
Frank has won 2 games with the Nets against Shaq while Scott has won none.</div>
An old Shaq in the east that has been bounded by injuries and years is much more scarier then the most dominant big man to ever play the game and has won three championships... right?
Frank won 1 game, the one game they won in 2005 againt a weak Shaq and Wade. Which team was better the 2002 Lakers team or the 2006 Heat team? Please, don't even argue on that point.
