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Bite your tongue (or in this case, your fingers) HCP! Greg's not going anywhere!

Trade Canzano!

Good post, btw. :cheers:
 
HispanicCausinPanic said:
Like I said before, Canzano is a jerkoff! So Greg likes a little privacy. I won't go into this too much, but lets just say there aren't a lot of extra seats on the plane. Maybe some vets have the big captains chairs and he can't fit on the couches with the little Euros. Maybe he has respect for the vets and would never ask a player who has put his time into the league to move just so he can sit in a big chair. This is the kind of crap that bugs me. These guys have no idea what they are talking about! This is the kind of crap that will make Greg leave in 4 years. (Big fish in a little pond kinda shit) Fuck Canzano!!!!!!!!
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Excellent point HCP. He does seem like the kind of guy who would respect what his team mates have already been doing and want to "earn his spot" in a captain's chair. I really wish Quick and Canzano would quit assuming things about his personality when they don't even know him on a personal level.
 
Man, extroverts are fucking annoying. There are some people who really enjoy being left the fuck alone for a few hours a day. We're not mad. We're not sulking. We aren't judging you harshly or thinking ourselves better than you. We are just fucking introverted, and being alone sometimes just makes us fucking happy.

Christ. My entire family think it's their mission in life to bring me, my wife, my two kids, and my inlaws "out of our shells." Show up any god damn time they want. Call us incessantly on the phone. Give us weird looks for frequently letting the answering machine pick up.

Fuck. Just leave me the fuck alone sometimes. There's not a god damned thing wrong in the world with just not being terribly sociable. And if Oden's that way too, well, fucking let him. He's paid to put an orange ball through a metal hoop, not be your fucking best friend.




*wow* Where'd that come? I guess hosting Christmas dinner this year for 17 people kind of wore me out.
 
mook said:
Man, extroverts are fucking annoying. There are some people who really enjoy being left the fuck alone for a few hours a day. We're not mad. We're not sulking. We aren't judging you harshly or thinking ourselves better than you. We are just fucking introverted, and being alone sometimes just makes us fucking happy.

Christ. My entire family think it's their mission in life to bring me, my wife, my two kids, and my inlaws "out of our shells." Show up any god damn time they want. Call us incessantly on the phone. Give us weird looks for frequently letting the answering machine pick up.

Fuck. Just leave me the fuck alone sometimes. There's not a god damned thing wrong in the world with just not being terribly sociable. And if Oden's that way too, well, fucking let him. He's paid to put an orange ball through a metal hoop, not be your fucking best friend.

*wow* Where'd that come? I guess hosting Christmas dinner this year for 17 people kind of wore me out.
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Nice post, mook. I am also an introverted fellow and I don't think it's OK to judge anyone for that.

But see, your family does it, my family does it, some of my friends and co-workers keep trying to cheer me up as well and I am not even a bit sad.

If Oden really is not a "terribly sociable" guy, as some people have being pointing out in recent time, why should we think that the other players, management, fans, journalists and so on would not react the same way as our family, friends and co-workers?

Looking happy is almost like an obligation in todays society. He will have to deal with this type of thing, that's why I brought up Kobe, he passed for a similar process during his career.
 
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julius said:
Only because he's making it out to be something more than just someone who likes to be alone. Whats next, Brandon Roy likes giving his girlfriend dutch-ovens?
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That has nothing to do with the TEAM though. Greg not wanting to be with the TEAM on road trips, while the rest of them hang out and socialize together just seems a little odd to me. But then after reading Kobe did that too when he was younger, made me not think it was so weird.

I am not a pro athlete. So some things I don't understand. When I played sports and we were on road trips, I loved talking to my team mates and getting pumped up together before games. But again, I was never a pro athlete.
 
mook said:
Man, extroverts are fucking annoying. There are some people who really enjoy being left the fuck alone for a few hours a day. We're not mad. We're not sulking. We aren't judging you harshly or thinking ourselves better than you. We are just fucking introverted, and being alone sometimes just makes us fucking happy.

Christ. My entire family think it's their mission in life to bring me, my wife, my two kids, and my inlaws "out of our shells." Show up any god damn time they want. Call us incessantly on the phone. Give us weird looks for frequently letting the answering machine pick up.

Fuck. Just leave me the fuck alone sometimes. There's not a god damned thing wrong in the world with just not being terribly sociable. And if Oden's that way too, well, fucking let him. He's paid to put an orange ball through a metal hoop, not be your fucking best friend.




*wow* Where'd that come? I guess hosting Christmas dinner this year for 17 people kind of wore me out.
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:lol: If I had to host a Christmas dinner for 17 people - there would have been a trail of bloody corpses in snowbanks from Salem to the Canadian border! I admire your restraint.

:mook:
 
I don't think the issue is about Greg not being social as much as it is that Oden is the only player on the team (if not only player in team history) who has been allowed to crash on Allen's bed during flights.

That is a lot different than not wanting to be social . . . that is preferred treatment for a player and I don't think that creates good team chemistry.

But as HCP points out, we aren't there and maybe it doesn't bother any other players . . . but the issue is should Oden get special treatment above other players?
 
BatumKaboom said:
Wow. Kick a lot of dead horses?



You guys really need to step up your humor game. These two jokes are terrible.
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Sorry, man....the fact is he still looks old as hell for his age...that hasn't and won't change....so until he gets serious botox treatments, lighten up and just keep expecting more...lol...:cheers:
 
Man, extroverts are fucking annoying. There are some people who really enjoy being left the fuck alone for a few hours a day. We're not mad. We're not sulking. We aren't judging you harshly or thinking ourselves better than you. We are just fucking introverted, and being alone sometimes just makes us fucking happy.

Christ. My entire family think it's their mission in life to bring me, my wife, my two kids, and my inlaws "out of our shells." Show up any god damn time they want. Call us incessantly on the phone. Give us weird looks for frequently letting the answering machine pick up.

Fuck. Just leave me the fuck alone sometimes. There's not a god damned thing wrong in the world with just not being terribly sociable. And if Oden's that way too, well, fucking let him. He's paid to put an orange ball through a metal hoop, not be your fucking best friend.




*wow* Where'd that come? I guess hosting Christmas dinner this year for 17 people kind of wore me out.
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Great post. I agree, there is nothing wrong with him if he wants to keep to himself. I don't think it bothers the players, and there probably are reasons for it anyway. I think a lot of us just want to see Greg happy more than anything, but pointing out that he is not happy and noting his every move isn't going to change anything.
 
it's_GO_time said:
But as HCP points out, we aren't there and maybe it doesn't bother any other players . . . but the issue is should Oden get special treatment above other players?
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It depends on the treatment. If every player gets the treatment of having a comfortable place to rest on the plane, and if Oden (being one of the two biggest guys on the team) can only be comfortable in the back, while the rest of the team can find comfort elsewhere... is it "special treatment"?

I would argue that it certainly is not.

And I agree with Mook and the others about introversion. I'm borderline I/E, but even I get worn out being around people after a short while.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
It depends on the treatment. If every player gets the treatment of having a comfortable place to rest on the plane, and if Oden (being one of the two biggest guys on the team) can only be comfortable in the back, while the rest of the team can find comfort elsewhere... is it "special treatment"?

I would argue that it certainly is not.
Ed O.
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Commie. :grin:
 
Introverts of the world unite!


(By yourselves, and quietly.)
 
Too bad we can't give Oden Channing Frye's social outgoing-ness. That'd be nice.
 
Ed O said:
It depends on the treatment. If every player gets the treatment of having a comfortable place to rest on the plane, and if Oden (being one of the two biggest guys on the team) can only be comfortable in the back, while the rest of the team can find comfort elsewhere... is it "special treatment"?

I would argue that it certainly is not.

And I agree with Mook and the others about introversion. I'm borderline I/E, but even I get worn out being around people after a short while.

Ed O.
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I don't know Ed, being the only player allowed to sleep in PA's bed . . . it may be the only comfortable place that Oden can find, but symbolically, I can see that not "sitting" well with other players.

But maybe the players are all cool with it and that is really the only thing that matters in this situation (I'm sure PA doesn't mind).

I wonder if Ha got to sleep in Allen's private bed?
 
He does not sleep on paul's bed!!!!!!!!
 
I tend to agree that the point is not about whether Oden is an introvert or not - it has to do with whether the double-standard he appears to be treated with is OK, or if it's detrimental to team chemistry. I think Canzano actually raised a good point, and I don't always agree with the guy, by any stretch.

I think the use of Paul Allen's "back room" is probably not that big a deal. But it is an indicator of how he's treated, and it appears, treated differently from other players.

The bigger question is whether Oden is being "given" playing time, when other players have to "earn" it. That's a bigger deal, but it's one that Oden can clear up quickly, by playing better (more games like the Raptors' game would do it...).
 
Public Defender said:
The bigger question is whether Oden is being "given" playing time, when other players have to "earn" it. That's a bigger deal, but it's one that Oden can clear up quickly, by playing better (more games like the Raptors' game would do it...).
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My guess (and this is only a guess, from the comments I've read and their reactions to Oden's play during games) is that if one were to ask the players for their honest opinion on whether they think Oden should be starting, they'd say he should. I think they all have a tremendous amount of respect for his abilities and don't see his on-and-off struggles/successes as "failing to earn playing time."

A big part of it is probably whether he works hard in practice. All reports are that he's a very hard worker, so I would guess that the other players don't begrudge him starting and getting the time that he does.

I don't get the sense that there's resentment brewing from Oden starting.
 
Minstrel said:
My guess (and this is only a guess...)

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I don't get the sense...
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My point is that we wouldn't be having doubts at all, we wouldn't be taking guesses or trying to get a "sense" of the situation (not to mention, Canzano wouldn't be writing the column that he did), if Oden played better. I know he should get better with experience - but I also think he should be displaying more consistent focus and effort, even with his lack of experience.

Ultimately, I agree that the long-term future of this team rests in part on Oden's development. But a lot of it rests on good team chemistry, as well. And that could be jeopardized long-term, if favoritism toward Oden (over the more consistent player backing him up) costs the Blazers playoff position, or worse, a playoff berth.
 
Public Defender said:
My point is that we wouldn't be having doubts at all, we wouldn't be taking guesses or trying to get a "sense" of the situation (not to mention, Canzano wouldn't be writing the column that he did), if Oden played better.
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Well, yes, but that's a bit obvious. There are many positives to Oden playing better...I'd rank our confidence in team chemistry near the bottom of the list of positives stemming from Oden playing better. ;)

I know he should get better with experience - but I also think he should be displaying more consistent focus and effort, even with his lack of experience.
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I don't think we really have any idea whether he's lacking in focus and effort. As I said, all reports are that he works hard. I doubt he's a hard worker in practice and then drops the effort in games. Fans get frustrated with him at times for looking lethargic or out of sorts, but I'd be pretty surprised if that was due to lack of effort or focus, rather than due to still being in the process of acclimatizing himself.

Ultimately, I agree that the long-term future of this team rests in part on Oden's development. But a lot of it rests on good team chemistry, as well. And that could be jeopardized long-term, if favoritism toward Oden (over the more consistent player backing him up) costs the Blazers playoff position, or worse, a playoff berth.
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Well, I don't think Oden has been playing significantly worse than Pryzbilla. Przybilla fouls less, so can play more minutes...but that doesn't make him a better starter. It means he can, should and does play more minutes. Oden's PER is a bit less than Przybilla's (16.3 vs. 18.0), but that's not a significant enough difference that I'd say playing Oden over Przybilla is going to cost the team anything much. Both are above-average starter quality in the time that they're on the court.

Of course, the players and team evaluate players differently, but to my observation and according to what, in my opinion, is the best publicly available metric, Oden is playing well enough to deserve the start and playing time. As a fan, that's all I can say. I'd love for him to play so well that there's simply no question at all, but that may not happen this year.
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
Sorry, man....the fact is he still looks old as hell for his age...that hasn't and won't change....so until he gets serious botox treatments, lighten up and just keep expecting more...lol...:cheers:
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Greg needs a facelift lmfao. You could make a blanket with all the extra skin they would remove.

Ewww.. that kinda even grossed me out.
 
You want to make a skin suit out of Greg Oden! "It puts the lotion in the basket"
 
HispanicCausinPanic said:
You want to make a skin suit out of Greg Oden! "It puts the lotion in the basket"
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You're welcome in advance, HCP!



One of the funniest fucking songs I think I've ever heard. I'm definitely putting it into a mix one of these days.

"The night is very cold
I'm feeling kinda weak
I think I'll make myself a cap from your right buttock's cheek
and then I will go walk-ing with my little dog
and then I'll bury you UN-DER-neath a log!"
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"Bitch, put the lotion in the basket.
Oh put the lotion in the fuck-ing basket... bitch, put the lotion in the basket!"
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