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VanillaGorilla said:
You keep getting paid if you retire?
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No, it was saying his salary still counted against the Knicks' cap, even though he was no longer playing. So even though he wasn't being paid, it was still salary that couldn't be spent on other players due to the cap.

That's my understanding anyway.
 
Minstrel said:
No, it was saying his salary still counted against the Knicks' cap, even though he was no longer playing. So even though he wasn't being paid, it was still salary that couldn't be spent on other players due to the cap.

That's my understanding anyway.
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If he retires, his salary no longer counts against the cap. If he merely sits on the bench while injured, the team might not have to pay his salary due to insurance, but his salary will count on the cap.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If he retires, his salary no longer counts against the cap.
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What Fez quoted (dunno the source, though) claimed differently:

"Houston retired in 2005 but the impact of his contract, exacerbated by other bad contracts brought on by Layden, did not subside. In 2006, Allan Houston's salary was $20,718,750 against the cap although he was no longer playing for the team."
 
Minstrel said:
What Fez quoted (dunno the source, though) claimed differently:

"Houston retired in 2005 but the impact of his contract, exacerbated by other bad contracts brought on by Layden, did not subside. In 2006, Allan Houston's salary was $20,718,750 against the cap although he was no longer playing for the team."
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I don't think that's right. The Celtics were trying to trade Sheed because he was willing to hold off on retiring until they traded him, thus making him an expiring contract.
 
Minstrel said:
What Fez quoted (dunno the source, though) claimed differently:

"Houston retired in 2005 but the impact of his contract, exacerbated by other bad contracts brought on by Layden, did not subside. In 2006, Allan Houston's salary was $20,718,750 against the cap although he was no longer playing for the team."
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Wasn't that the NBA amnesty clause that year that allowed a player to be cut and not paid, but their salary still counted toward the cap or something like that?
 
Kaydow said:
I'm sure this has been considered - Meniscus Replacement. See link below from UW. I have no idea if this is a reasonable option for an NBA player, but they must have considered this. Otherwise, it's arthritic knees forever.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/uw...7/ItemID__287/PageID__3/Articles/Default.aspx
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Your post got me thinking about what options Brandon, and the Blazers, have. Unlike 5-10 years ago, where a badly damaged meniscus was almost always career-ending (e.g. Allan Houston, Chris Webber, etc), today there appears to be hope for patients/athletes with badly damaged knee cartilage (meniscus).

I'm not a surgeon, and I certainly don't know whether Brandon would be a candidate, but I wonder if the Blazers/Brandon have considered Meniscal Allograft Transplantation. I trust the Blazers medical staff have probably considered this option (or given their track history, maybe not), but would it hurt to pass this along to Cho/Jensen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscal_cartilage_replacement_therapy

The last sentence of the above wiki article gives me some hope (it's all we got right now): "Meniscal transplantation offers patients with badly damaged cartilage an alternative to total joint replacement, and allows patients to pursue active lifestyles including impact sports."

The excerpt below is a fan post from T-Mac's "official" website:

I HAD MY FIRST MICROFRACTURE AT A YOUNGER AGE THAN YOU (27) AND IT DID NOT WORK AT ALL. MICROFRACTURE WORKS LESS AND LESS WITH AGE. BY 30 I HAD ALMOST NO CARTILAGE LEFT IN MY KNEE. AT AGE 31 I HAD A MENISCUS TRANSPLANT AND IT WORKED VERY WELL. IT ACTUALLY REPLACES YOUR CARTILAGE WITH A TRANSPLANT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR ORIGINAL CARTILAGE RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO RE-GROW “SCAB CARTILAGE” THAT IS NOT AS GOOD AS THE STUFF IT IS REPLACING.
 
It makes sense, considering the Tommy John procedure in pitchers. It would seem to replace what is missing, with a sufficient amount of meniscus.

Maybe the risks are too high, who knows. But if he's going to be out and it's an option (and is needed/suggested) I hope they think about it. Even if it puts him out for this year and some of next year. It's not like Brandon is 40 (just his knees).
 
brooklynballer said:
Your post got me thinking about what options Brandon, and the Blazers, have. Unlike 5-10 years ago, where a badly damaged meniscus was almost always career-ending (e.g. Allan Houston, Chris Webber, etc), today there appears to be hope for patients/athletes with badly damaged knee cartilage (meniscus).

I'm not a surgeon, and I certainly don't know whether Brandon would be a candidate, but I wonder if the Blazers/Brandon have considered Meniscal Allograft Transplantation. I trust the Blazers medical staff have probably considered this option (or given their track history, maybe not), but would it hurt to pass this along to Cho/Jensen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscal_cartilage_replacement_therapy

The last sentence of the above wiki article gives me some hope (it's all we got right now): "Meniscal transplantation offers patients with badly damaged cartilage an alternative to total joint replacement, and allows patients to pursue active lifestyles including impact sports."

The excerpt below is a fan post from T-Mac's "official" website:

I HAD MY FIRST MICROFRACTURE AT A YOUNGER AGE THAN YOU (27) AND IT DID NOT WORK AT ALL. MICROFRACTURE WORKS LESS AND LESS WITH AGE. BY 30 I HAD ALMOST NO CARTILAGE LEFT IN MY KNEE. AT AGE 31 I HAD A MENISCUS TRANSPLANT AND IT WORKED VERY WELL. IT ACTUALLY REPLACES YOUR CARTILAGE WITH A TRANSPLANT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR ORIGINAL CARTILAGE RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO RE-GROW “SCAB CARTILAGE” THAT IS NOT AS GOOD AS THE STUFF IT IS REPLACING.
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Interesting stuff, but if it did work for NBA players, I am certain it would be used for them.

I was listening to ESPN radio late last night and some "expert" stated Roy has a less than 10% chance of continuing his career as a full time player, playing 76+ games per season. He most likely will be come a part time player when he feels up to it.
 
julius said:
It makes sense, considering the Tommy John procedure in pitchers. It would seem to replace what is missing, with a sufficient amount of meniscus.

Maybe the risks are too high, who knows. But if he's going to be out and it's an option (and is needed/suggested) I hope they think about it. Even if it puts him out for this year and some of next year. It's not like Brandon is 40 (just his knees).
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What other option is there, really? Microfracture surgery? I’ve done a bit of research into this and the list of casualties is much longer than the list of “success” stories.

Microfracture surgery casualties:

Matt Harpring
Chris Webber
Kerry Kittles
Allan Houston
Jamal Mashburn
Anfernee Hardaway
Tracy McGrady
Pat Garrity
Eduardo Najera
Terrell Brandon
Kenyon Martin

Successes (so far):

Jason Kidd
Amar’e Stoudemire
Zach Randolph
 
brooklynballer said:
What other option is there, really? Microfracture surgery? I’ve done a bit of research into this and the list of casualties is much longer than the list of “success” stories.

Microfracture surgery casualties:

Matt Harpring
Chris Webber
Kerry Kittles
Allan Houston
Jamal Mashburn
Anfernee Hardaway
Tracy McGrady
Pat Garrity
Eduardo Najera
Terrell Brandon
Kenyon Martin

Successes (so far):

Jason Kidd
Amar’e Stoudemire
Zach Randolph
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That list is full of unfulfilled potential. Sad. Kittles especially stands out. His first two years in the league he had so much promise... but he never lived up to it.
 
brooklynballer said:
What other option is there, really? Microfracture surgery? I’ve done a bit of research into this and the list of casualties is much longer than the list of “success” stories.

Microfracture surgery casualties:

Matt Harpring
Chris Webber
Kerry Kittles
Allan Houston
Jamal Mashburn
Anfernee Hardaway
Tracy McGrady
Pat Garrity
Eduardo Najera
Terrell Brandon
Kenyon Martin

Successes (so far):

Jason Kidd
Amar’e Stoudemire
Zach Randolph
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Kenyon Martin should be listed as a success.
 
MickZagger said:
He never lived up to his #1 pick.
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Uh he was the only player in the top 15 of his draft that ended up being an all-star. He was taken #1 in a terrible class. In a different class he wouldn't be #1.

And he's not nearly as good now as he was pre-microfracture surgery
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He's been pretty much the same athlete and his FG% hasn't suffered. The main difference is opportunities and not playing with Jason Kidd anymore. He's also still a good defender. He's been good enough to force Aldridge into rough games.
 
I don't care what class he was in, he never should have been a #1 pick at the time. I remember watching him his final year at Cinci when his leg snapped.[video=youtube;mGvBivsK73k]

A few months after that he was still taken #1.
 
MickZagger said:
I don't care what class he was in, he never should have been a #1 pick at the time. I remember watching him his final year at Cinci when his leg snapped.[video=youtube;mGvBivsK73k]

A few months after that he was still taken #1.
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Go look at the 2000 draft and tell me who should have been taken over him that would have been reasonable at the time. I dare you.
 
RoyToy said:
Go look at the 2000 draft and tell me who should have been taken over him that would have been reasonable at the time. I dare you.
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You're right. I forgot how shitty that draft class was. I remember thinking Fizer should have been the #1 pick at the time. I was just 14 at the time, shows what I knew.
 
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Speaking of Kenyon Martin, I was thinking the other day of how similar he and Blake Griffin are. Super physical, somewhat undersized yet ridiculously explosive, limited offense but plenty effective, #1 picks with major leg issues...
 
handiman said:
Speaking of Kenyon Martin, I was thinking the other day of how similar he and Blake Griffin are. Super physical, somewhat undersized yet ridiculously explosive, limited offense but plenty effective, #1 picks with major leg issues...
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I don't think Griffin is anywhere near as limited offensively as Martin is.
 
I think it is time for Roy to be the first one to undergo revolutionary stem cell based knee repair. I am sure if anybody can afford it and find the resources to find a clinic that is doing it successfully, it would be Paul Allen. :)
 
MickZagger said:
I don't think Griffin is anywhere near as limited offensively as Martin is.
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How much of that is because of Martin's numerous injury setbacks limiting his development? I would say Martin's mid-range game when the Nets went to the Finals was better than Griffin's currently, but Griffin looks to have more moves around the basket. People forget, Martin was a handful for Tim Duncan in his own prime.
 
handiman said:
How much of that is because of Martin's numerous injury setbacks limiting his development? I would say Martin's mid-range game when the Nets went to the Finals was better than Griffin's currently, but Griffin looks to have more moves around the basket. People forget, Martin was a handful for Tim Duncan in his own prime.
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Griffin is a better passer, has shown range out to 3 point land and is a much smarter player.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Excuse me, but when and where has he shown that?
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His sophomore year at Oklahoma he was 38% from 3 point land.

I forgot to mention he's got handles too, he's great in the open court. I don't think Martin is anything like Griffin.
 
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MickZagger said:
His sophomore year at Oklahoma he was 38% from 3 point land.

I forgot to mention he's got handles too, he's great in the open court. I don't think Martin is anything like Griffin.
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He was 3 for 8.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't realize it was such a small sample size because I think you are better than using that to prove he has shown 3-point range.
 
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