No Victor Claver Next Year

[OSUBlazerfan]

Victor Claver - "Me playing in Portland next year? I don't think so."
Victor Claver - "I just resigned with Valencia."

http://www.tubasket.com/noticiaDeta...cambiar/cosas/irse/trail/blazers/verano/18698

in spanish, via hoopshype

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

 

[Natebishop3]

There goes the season

 

[Natebishop3]

You know, it's funny how people lament the fact that we passed on Blair, but I think KP equally fucked up by not drafting Casspi. Think if we had taken Blair and Casspi.

 

[ironcrotch]

Kpee has failed again. What a joke.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kpee has failed again. What a joke.

All joking aside, I think Pritchard was looking for a talent that didn't want to come over this season. We already had too many guys on the roster, AND Freeland/Koponen waiting in the wings. Even still, as much as I like Pendergraph and Cunningham, I'd rather have Casspi and Blair.

 

[Wheels]

All joking aside, I think Pritchard was looking for a talent that didn't want to come over this season. We already had too many guys on the roster, AND Freeland/Koponen waiting in the wings. Even still, as much as I like Pendergraph and Cunningham, I'd rather have Casspi and Blair.

individually.. yeah I agree Casspi is better.. but with what he brings I honestly dont think he would have gotten anywhere NEAR the 28 mpg he is playing. Blair maybe so.. but not Casspi. Not here anyway.

 

[Natebishop3]

individually.. yeah I agree Casspi is better.. but with what he brings I honestly dont think he would have gotten anywhere NEAR the 28 mpg he is playing. Blair maybe so.. but not Casspi. Not here anyway.

With this season playing out the way it has, who knows what would have happened. I like Cunningham's game though, so I don't know. I haven't watched much of Casspi.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You hit and miss, He sure hit on Batum, maybe Claver develops, lets not give up on him just yet

 

[drexlersdad]

Claver is better than casspee, sorry it's the truth.

Blair is good though, bitchard blew it there.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Claver is better than casspee, sorry it's the truth.

Blair is good though, bitchard blew it there.

Cunningham is just as good as Blair, i think, now we could of had Blair and Cunningham

 

[hasoos]

You know KP can draft folks, but he can't make them play here. This really isn't on him.

 

[Natebishop3]

Claver is better than casspee, sorry it's the truth.

Blair is good though, bitchard blew it there.

Have you watched Claver some DD? I haven't really seen anything from him...

You hit and miss, He sure hit on Batum, maybe Claver develops, lets not give up on him just yet

Oh, I agree that Batum was a homerun.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You know KP can draft folks, but he can't make them play here. This really isn't on him.

But the truth is, if he was good, he would be here next year, but really the team has no where to play him at this moment

 

[Natebishop3]

You know KP can draft folks, but he can't make them play here. This really isn't on him.

So that's the question though, would you rather have Claver overseas or Casspi on our current roster?

In fairness, there was no way to predict what would happen to the team this season with all the injuries. If Rudy, Outlaw, and Batum hadn't gone down, I'm sure we probably wouldn't have seen Pendergraph, Cunningham, or really much of Howard. As it stands though, I think we've seen how valuable Batum is, how inconsistent Rudy is, and Outlaw is gone.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I have almost no doubt that Claver will never don a Blazers uniform.

 

[hasoos]

But the truth is, if he was good, he would be here next year, but really the team has no where to play him at this moment

Really? Did Sabonis come right over after we drafted him? Was he good?

Sometimes players just don't want to come over here.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So that's the question though, would you rather have Claver overseas or Casspi on our current roster?

In fairness, there was no way to predict what would happen to the team this season with all the injuries. If Rudy, Outlaw, and Batum hadn't gone down, I'm sure we probably wouldn't have seen Pendergraph, Cunningham, or really much of Howard. As it stands though, I think we've seen how valuable Batum is, how inconsistent Rudy is, and Outlaw is gone.

Casspi, easily. He's good.

 

[Wheels]

With this season playing out the way it has, who knows what would have happened. I like Cunningham's game though, so I don't know. I haven't watched much of Casspi.

yeah thats true. But I just mean with how it has played out so far he wouldnt have. What he brings isnt what this team really lacks.

 

[Natebishop3]

I have almost no doubt that Claver will never don a Blazers uniform.

Wasted pick then. I'd rather trade the pick than waste it on a guy who will never actually play in the NBA. Of course, I guess it's kind of like investing in the stock market long term. He might pan out one day and come over when he's 28 or 29 and be a star... who knows.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Really? Did Sabonis come right over after we drafted him? Was he good?

Sometimes players just don't want to come over here.

What i was getting at was, with RUDY we sent over the whole calvary, to convince him to come, probably made some promises, pulled some strings, etc. KP would have done the same thing with Claver if he believed that much in him

 

[HailBlazers]

I have almost no doubt that Claver will never don a Blazers uniform.

I disagree. If our big's develop and were in the race for a title atop the west. Claver wants to be here

 

[Boob-No-More]

You know KP can draft folks, but he can't make them play here. This really isn't on him.

I said it the day of the draft - Claver was a wasted pick. The Eurostash just ain't what it used to be. With the weak dollar, the growing of popularity of basketball and Europe and the associated higher salaries, using a late first round pick on a European player is a waste - unless you can get them signed immediately while they are still young and in need of development (i.e. Batum).

If you don't sign them immediately and let them play in Europe for a year or two, one of two things will happen. They will develop into a player worthy of an NBA rodter spot. In which case, the will get paid a lot more to stay in Europe than you can pay them based on the rookie salary scale for a late 1st round pick. Or, the won't develop (aka: they will suck). In which case, it's a wasted pick by definition.

Again, as I said on draft day, other than possibly summer league, we'll never see Victor Claver in a Portland Trail Blazers uniform.

We should have drafted Blair at 24. Even before all of the injuries we've had this season, we had a GLARING hole at back-up power forward. Blair would have been PERFECT in that role and would have gotten minutes from day one. With the injuries, he would have been getting big minutes.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

What i was getting at was, with RUDY we sent over the whole calvary, to convince him to come, probably made some promises, pulled some strings, etc. KP would have done the same thing with Claver if he believed that much in him

Rudy was drafted with the intention of bringing him over. No doubt about that. Claver on the other hand probably was not. This team was overcrowded as is, and the last thing we needed was another rookie (even though we ended up with three). I'm not sure Pritchard expected to keep Cunningham, Pendergraph, AND Mills on the roster.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I disagree. If our big's develop and were in the race for a title atop the west. Claver wants to be here

Will he want to be here enough to forfeit the tens of millions of euros, a shorter, easier schedule and the better fringe benefits he would receive to stay in Europe (assuming he's any good, if he's not, who cares). I doubt it.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

I said it the day of the draft - Claver was a wasted pick. The Eurostash just ain't what it used to be. With the weak dollar, the growing of popularity of basketball and Europe and the associated higher salaries, using a late first round pick on a European player is a waste - unless you can get them signed immediately while they are still young and in need of development (i.e. Batum).

If you don't sign them immediately and let them play in Europe for a year or two, one of two things will happen. They will develop into a player worthy of an NBA rodter spot. In which case, the will get paid a lot more to stay in Europe than you can pay them based on the rookie salary scale for a late 1st round pick. Or, the won't develop (aka: they will suck). In which case, it's a wasted pick by definition.

Again, as I said on draft day, other than possibly summer league, we'll never see Victor Claver in a Portland Trail Blazers uniform.

We should have drafted Blair at 24. Even before all of the injuries we've had this season, we had a GLARING hole at back-up power forward. Blair would have been PERFECT in that role and would have gotten minutes from day one. With the injuries, he would have been getting big minutes.

BNM

We could have taken Casspi a pick before Sac and drafted Blair with our first pick in the second round.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Really? Did Sabonis come right over after we drafted him? Was he good?

Sometimes players just don't want to come over here.

Salaries in Europe have gone up a LOT since Sabonis played there. Any late 1st round pick that ends up being worth a crap will get paid a LOT more to stay in Europe than what they can make in the NBA based on the rookie salary scale.

If you don't bring them over right away, while they are still young and raw, there isn't much of a chance they will ever play for you.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

We could have taken Casspi a pick before Sac and drafted Blair with our first pick in the second round.

We didn't know that at the time. I was stunned that Blair dropped as low as he did. I was thrilled that he'd fallen to us at 24. And then pissed as hell that we passed on him.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Salaries in Europe have gone up a LOT since Sabonis played there. Any late 1st round pick that ends up being worth a crap will get paid a LOT more to stay in Europe than what they can make in the NBA based on the rookie salary scale.

If you don't bring them over right away, while they are still young and raw, there isn't much of a chance they will ever play for you.

BNM

I could see Rudy going back to Europe. Maybe not right away, but if he ends up playing on the bench for the next few years I could see him bailing back to Spain where he's a star.

 

[Natebishop3]

We didn't know that at the time. I was stunned that Blair dropped as low as he did. I was thrilled that he'd fallen to us at 24. And then pissed as hell that we passed on him.

BNM

Twice

 

[CanadianBlazer]

I don't really care if Claver is here or not next year. I want to see how Rudy pans out for a couple of years until I want another Spanish player.

Casspi would be great, but he would not have got any time here and no one would know who he is if he came here. He needs to thank the God he prays to he went to Sac.