No Victor Claver Next Year

[drexlersdad]

Why not declare. It gives him more options and a negotiating chip.



Splitter was expected to be a high lottery pick for 3 years in a row, but kept pulling out of the draft. He was finally drafted 28th by the Spurs in 2007 - when he was automatically eligible for the draft (due to being over 22 years old). His current contract expires at the end of this season. It will be interesting to see if the Spurs will be able to convince him to come over, or if he'll take more money to stay in Europe.

BNM

the spurs do have a need in the frontcourt, i think its a slam dunk personally.

there is always a slight chance that a player can decide to stay there, fran vasquez is the only i can think of but his wife made/makes him haha.

 

[drexlersdad]

if we can use/play him, he is here in a heartbeat.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

At 6'11" 255 lbs. he'd provide insurance at center.

 

[drexlersdad]

At 6'11" 255 lbs. he'd provide insurance at center.

yeah if we dont resign camby he might be a nice option

 

[Boob-No-More]

so chris wallace was able to convince marc gasol of the same thing...doest actually seem so rare.

Gasol was a 2nd round pick (no rookie scale limit on salary) and the Grizz were under the cap. That's why Gasol is making 3x as much as Rudy. If Gasol had been a 1st round pick, he very well may have re-signed in Europe and been locked up for another 3 - 4 years with a big buy out clause in his contract.

Claver isn't a 2nd round pick and the Blazers won't be under the cap any time soon. He has already signed for another year in Europe and may be locked up longer term by the time the Blazers can even offer him anything more than rookie scale.

BNM

 

[drexlersdad]

Gasol was a 2nd round pick (no rookie scale limit on salary) and the Grizz were under the cap. That's why Gasol is making 3x as much as Rudy. If Gasol had been a 1st round pick, he very well may have re-signed in Europe and been locked up for another 3 - 4 years with a big buy out clause in his contract.

Claver isn't a 2nd round pick and the Blazers won't be under the cap any time soon. He has already signed for another year in Europe and may be locked up longer term by the time the Blazers can even offer him anything more than rookie scale.

BNM

being under the cap is irrelevant considering his starting salary was well below the full MLE. as the acb mvp. why he didnt stay in spain and live in a free house with a hot chicks room and a fully functioning magical sex hole is anyones guess.

again with the fear mongering. marc might have signed a big deal(even though he didnt) so that means claver might too! there just isnt a precident yet, there might be in the future but as of now....no.

i believe i am being the realist and you are being negative about it. you believe i am being positive about it and you are the realist. im cool with that. good show.

 

[Boob-No-More]

i believe i am being the realist and you are being negative about it. you believe i am being positive about it and you are the realist. im cool with that. good show.

I said it the day we drafted Claver - other than possibly summer league, we will never see him playing in a Portland Trail Blazer jersey.

Time may prove me wrong - or it may prove me right. We'll just have to wait and see.

Regardless, we COULD have had Dejuan Blair playing for us THIS year - and addressing a need (back-up power forward). IMHO, that makes the Claver pick a bad pick. Feel free to disagree. Time may prove you right - or not.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

I said it the day we drafted Claver - other than possibly summer league, we will never see him playing in a Portland Trail Blazer jersey.

Time may prove me wrong - or it may prove me right. We'll just have to wait and see.

Regardless, we COULD have had Dejuan Blair playing for us THIS year - and addressing a need (back-up power forward). IMHO, that makes the Claver pick a bad pick. Feel free to disagree. Time may prove you right - or not.

BNM

Can't get them all right. I'll take Pritchards track record and forgive him for letting Blair slip by. I can see Blair being one of those guys having a career cut short by injury.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Can't get them all right. I'll take Pritchards track record and forgive him for letting Blair slip by. I can see Blair being one of those guys having a career cut short by injury.

So, would you rather have a player with a potentially short, but productive career, or one who may never play here, or if he does not until at least 4 years after he's drafted?

BNM

 

[BGrantFan]

Casspi, easily. He's good.

Cunningham is putting up a better PER than Casspi, plus Dante plays defense.

 

[drexlersdad]

Regardless, we COULD have had Dejuan Blair playing for us THIS year

i love it when 2nd round picks do good, it gives 29 other teams fans something to whine about. boo hoo. i guess we can stop whining about landry being a second rounder now that blair is everyones favorite "i told you so".

you agree with me and the rest of the world that blair is more valuable to an nba team than claver this year, well done.

why you feel so strongly about victor claver never playing in the nba ill never know, maybe you are a euro scout. i applaud your certainty either way, i just dont see a need for it i guess.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Cunningham is putting up a better PER than Casspi, plus Dante plays defense.

Exactly. Cunningham passes the eyeball test, has a higher PER, and lower D-rating. Most importantly he fills a need that Casspi didn't.

 

[Boob-No-More]

i love it when 2nd round picks do good, it gives 29 other teams fans something to whine about. boo hoo. i guess we can stop whining about landry being a second rounder now that blair is everyones favorite "i told you so".

Nope, that would be Paul Millsap.

you agree with me and the rest of the world that blair is more valuable to an nba team than claver this year, well done.

Thanks.

why you feel so strongly about victor claver never playing in the nba ill never know, maybe you are a euro scout. i applaud your certainty either way

Thanks, again.

BNM

 

[drexlersdad]

even blair didnt know he would be good in the nba, he signed a 4 year contract for less than the #30 pick gets, he fucked himself HARD.

 

[drexlersdad]

Nope, that would be Paul Millsap.

oh crap if we are going that far back i nominate monta ellis!

 

[STOMP]

You know, it's funny how people lament the fact that we passed on Blair, but I think KP equally fucked up by not drafting Casspi. Think if we had taken Blair and Casspi.

posters can lament all they want on those two, I'm pretty happy with Pendergraph and Dante. The main concern I had about Blair going into the draft was that he couldn't defend anyone at all and every time I've seen him play thats been the case. Casspi looks pretty nice but I wouldn't place him above JP and DC... mostly he's just had more opportunity. The grass is pretty green on this side of the fence too

STOMP

 

[Boob-No-More]

oh crap if we are going that far back i nominate monta ellis!

Ellis goes back even further. He was drafted in 2005. Millsap was 2006.

I was specifically comparing the Millsap wiff to the Blair wiff due to the similarity.

Both times, we had a clear need for a back-up power forward going into the draft. Both times, I identified the players I would most like to get to address that need (Millsap and Blair). In 2006, I wanted to take Millsap at 30 or 31. And, in 2009 I wanted Blair enough I would have traded up to 14 to get him. Both times, Pritchard passed on these players in the first round and took, tall, thin. young Europeans to stash over seas and hope that they may someday pann out AND play for our team. He also passed on both players TWO additional times in the second round. And both times these players went to western conference rivals that we are fighting with for play-off seeding.

So, are you happy with the contributions Joel Freeland has made to our team, or would you have rather have had Paul Millsap and the contributions he's been making for going on four years? I know my choice - and I feel the same way about Claver vs. Blair - instant contribution vs. waiting, waiting, waiting, someday, maybe....

BNM

 

[andalusian]

posters can lament all they want on those two, I'm pretty happy with Pendergraph and Dante. The main concern I had about Blair going into the draft was that he couldn't defend anyone at all and every time I've seen him play thats been the case. Casspi looks pretty nice but I wouldn't place him above JP and DC... mostly he's just had more opportunity. The grass is pretty green on this side of the fence too

I pretty much agree. Blair has been fantastic rebounding and scoring the ball - but his defense looks pretty suspect to me as well. I would say that Dante and Blair are maybe as valuable as each other - given Dante's fantastic defense - and Dante does not have Blair's injury worries.

I think that Pendy, also, has a much better defensive ceiling than Blair.

Anyway, it does not matter much - these are the guys we got - and they are pretty good - so, good for us.

 

[drexlersdad]

In 2006, I wanted to take Millsap at 30 or 31. And, in 2009 I wanted Blair enough I would have traded up to 14 to get him.

BNM

aww man not self congratulation.... i guess you also wanted roy and not ammo, and lma and not tyrus and jordan and not bowie and knew bias would overdose.

everyone ELSE gets a draft pick wrong once in a while.

 

[tlongII]

I like Blair, but I'm happy with Cunningham and Pendergraph. Those guys are very good gets in the 2nd round.

 

[MickZagger]

So, would you rather have a player with a potentially short, but productive career, or one who may never play here, or if he does not until at least 4 years after he's drafted?

BNM

The player with the short career. But, you don't know whether Claver will ever come over or not, its pure speculation on your part.

My point is KP has had so much draft success, I can forgive him for not gambling on a player with past knee injuries. We got two good 2nd rounders in that draft anyways.

 

[Boob-No-More]

posters can lament all they want on those two, I'm pretty happy with Pendergraph and Dante. The main concern I had about Blair going into the draft was that he couldn't defend anyone at all and every time I've seen him play thats been the case.

Why, because he occasionally gets dunked on?

He has a much better DRtg (101) than Pendergraph (106) and Cunningham (105). He also has a significantly higher PER (17.5 vs. 10.3 vs. 14.8) a truly outstanding TRB% (20.7 vs. 15.4 vs. 13.7) and has played more minutes, and has more Win Shares (2.7 vs. 0.9 vs. 1.4) than Pendergraph and Cunningham combined.

Cunningham is much better than I expected, and is proving to be a steal. Pendergraph I can take or leave. He's nothing special, but for a second rounf pick he's decent value.

Still, I would much rather have Blair than Claver or Pendergraph - and we still could have still had Cunningham at 33.

BNM

 

[Crimson the Cat]

We passed on Milsap? Damn, we fucked up and missed out on Casspi and Blair? Really those are the cards that are being played? I suppose if you were able to eat a magical purple bean and be turned into REVISIONIST WIZARD, you could practically bat 1.000 and put together a team capable of challenging the Dream Team after only a handful of seasons. Pritchard, to this point, has done a fantastic job of acquiring good players through the draft. These good players have turned a terribly-managed (my opinion) franchise into a good team. Take away our injury-plagued season, I'm going out on a wild limb to predict we're all arguing whether this team can challenge the likes of the Lakers in the WCF.

Many that were complaining about the picks we did make were stating that both Pendergraph and Cunningham were poor choices. Well ... well ...

I suppose when Freeland finally comes over, critics will still find something wrong with the drafting of Euros. It's as if, if you can't find fault with the team you're just not content. I, for one, just enjoy sitting back, enjoy the ride, and try to catch up with the pretty brilliant thought processes of our Portland management.

 

[Boob-No-More]

aww man not self congratulation.... i guess you also wanted roy and not ammo, and lma and not tyrus and jordan and not bowie and knew bias would overdose.

everyone ELSE gets a draft pick wrong once in a while.

Definitely wanted Aldridge and Roy over Thomas and Morrison. I grew up a Bulls fan, so I was happy (at the time) with the way the Jordan/Bowie thing worked out. Didn't predict the Bias tragedy, but two of my co-workers at the time were Maryland alums and they went from thrilled that he was taken 2nd by the Celtics to devastated by his death within 48 hours. It was painful to watch them go through that emotional roller coaster.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I suppose when Freeland finally comes over...

When? Don't you mean if?

BNM

 

[drexlersdad]

Didn't predict the Bias tragedy, but two of my co-workers at the time were Maryland alums and they went from thrilled that he was taken 2nd by the Celtics to devastated by his death within 48 hours. It was painful to watch them go through that emotional roller coaster.

BNM

holy jeez i was being rhetorical... did you really have to tell me that you didnt predict the bias tragedy??? as if YOU could??

 

[andalusian]

Why, because he occasionally gets dunked on?

He has a much better DRtg (101) than Pendergraph (106) and Cunningham (105). He also has a significantly higher PER (17.5 vs. 10.3 vs. 14.8) a truly outstanding TRB% (20.7 vs. 15.4 vs. 13.7) and has played more minutes, and has more Win Shares (2.7 vs. 0.9 vs. 1.4) than Pendergraph and Cunningham combined.

82games.com shows us that he plays a lot of minutes next to Duncan - I would argue that the DRTG is more due to Duncan than Blair. 82Games.com also tells us that the Spurs give up 5.3 more points with him on the court per 48 minutes. Both our guys are better than that (especially Dante).

Blair is a very very nice player, no doubt about it - but I can understand why they decided not to go with him. Given that injury concerns - and what we have seen so far from Dante especially, and in spurts from Jeff - I do not think there is such a big deal.

Given that Blair is playing on a team with a better record than Portland, and plays so many minutes next to Duncan - yet his win% is lower than Dante's who plays a lot in the 2nd unit of Portland - I would say that the defensive problems that the eye test shows are captured by the numbers.

Now let's look at the PER difference against the opponent at the PF position - Blair's slightly better PER means very little when he gives 4.1 PER advantage to the opposing PF on average, where Dante gives only 1.6

Dante, I think, will be the real steal of the 2nd round when all is said and done.

 

[Boob-No-More]

holy jeez i was being rhetorical... did you really have to tell me that you didnt predict the bias tragedy??? as if YOU could??

No, but who did? It was quite a shock. I still remember the deprfessed mood in our office that morning.

The best part about living in Raleigh back then and having co-workers and office mates that were either UNC, NC Sate or Duke students or alums, is I got to see some of the greatest players in history play against each other in college.

I also got to attend some great concerts back then. We had a couple interns that were Georgia Tech students and were big R.E.M. fans. They used to play regulary at the clubs in Raleigh and Chapel Hill back in the early 1980s. So, we'd hit the clubs and see them live just about every weekend.

BNM

 

[drexlersdad]

UNC, NC State or Duke students or alums, is I got to see some of the greatest players in history play against each other in college.


BNM

let me guess, circa 1986

"that chris washburn is gonna be a bust , but dennis rodman is gonna be a steal in the 2nd. also stay away from some euro trash guys named sabonis and drazen something or other, theyll NEVER come over here.

 

[Boob-No-More]

let me guess, circa 1986.

82 through 86. I once stood in line to get into a movie behind Chris Washburn, Spud Webb, and a few other NC State players. It was obvious Washburn and the others were NC State basketball players, but my GF thought Spud was a little kid wearing his big bother's letterman's jacket.

BNM