Noah Vonleh... and discuss

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dviss1 said:
Lol! Why the hell do people want to do this? Have you seen Kevin Durant and LeBron James handles? They had those handles coming into the league. Vonleh is right where he's supposed to be. In the PF spot.
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I agree and I would also add that his quickness in the high post could be dangerous if we use him right.
 
dviss1 said:
My cousin is a former Mr. Oregon. Andre "bam bam" Scott. What you say is true. For body builders. Not for regular folk.
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So bodybuilders have trouble putting on muscle, but us regular folk, we have it easy.

I don't think Vonleh is a regular folk either.
 
B-Roy said:
So bodybuilders have trouble putting on muscle, but us regular folk, we have it easy.

I don't think Vonleh is a regular folk either.
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I was more or less referring to Brian.
 
B-Roy said:
So bodybuilders have trouble putting on muscle, but us regular folk, we have it easy.

I don't think Vonleh is a regular folk either.
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Actually, it's about the genetics of an individual. I can put on muscle very easily, but my friend couldn't put on any no matter how hard he worked.

My friend would take protein shakes and work out twice as hard, yet I put on more muscle mass than him. Ironically, he was obviously stronger than me, but I looked physically stronger than him.
 
magnifier661 said:
Holy shit! Nice!
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One highlight I did not see in the video from yesterday, was Vonleh diving to the floor after a loose ball. (Happened in the first half) I know that does not sound like much, but we have not seen a lot of that other than Wes.

It also shows some heart and hustle for a guy who has been accused of having a low motor. I am guessing he got that knock because he was thinking too much as opposed to just going out and playing. He seems methodical with his moves as opposed to someone like TRob who needed to slow down at times.
 
dviss1 said:
My cousin is a former Mr. Oregon. Andre "bam bam" Scott. What you say is true. For body builders. Not for regular folk.
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Damn son.

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magnifier661 said:
Actually, it's about the genetics of an individual. I can put on muscle very easily, but my friend couldn't put on any no matter how hard he worked.

My friend would take protein shakes and work out twice as hard, yet I put on more muscle mass than him. Ironically, he was obviously stronger than me, but I looked physically stronger than him.
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You're right, genetics play a role, but unless you're actually testing how much weight you're gaining in relation to your body fat %, it's unlikely you actually know how much muscle mass you're putting on.

"Weight" and "Muscle mass" are different. If you say, went from 200-220 in a few months, it's very unlikely you stayed at the same body fat %. Like I said, if you're just eyeballing the number on a scale or looking at yourself in the mirror, you can't really tell.
 
For the record, Vonleh measured out at the draft combine at 7.3% body fat and 247. That's REALLY good, the guy is shredded. Most bodybuilders operate at somewhere between 6-10% bodyfat. Unless he's got absolutely perfect genetics, he worked incredibly hard to get there and definitely knows a good thing or two about health and nutrition (or he works with people that do). He's probably at or close to his genetic peak, at which point putting on muscle becomes much more difficult.
 
B-Roy said:
You're right, genetics play a role, but unless you're actually testing how much weight you're gaining in relation to your body fat %, it's unlikely you actually know how much muscle mass you're putting on.

"Weight" and "Muscle mass" are different. If you say, went from 200-220 in a few months, it's very unlikely you stayed at the same body fat %. Like I said, if you're just eyeballing the number on a scale or looking at yourself in the mirror, you can't really tell.
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And he said he's been using a lot of creatine, so that mass he's put on is not all muscle.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Erroneous. In 13 weeks of boot camp I went from 105 to 135.

But yeah, if Barrett was saying it, I'm with you.
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At a 105lbs it sounds like you were malnourished. Your body needed something, anything and it would grow.
 
B-Roy said:
You're right, genetics play a role, but unless you're actually testing how much weight you're gaining in relation to your body fat %, it's unlikely you actually know how much muscle mass you're putting on.

"Weight" and "Muscle mass" are different. If you say, went from 200-220 in a few months, it's very unlikely you stayed at the same body fat %. Like I said, if you're just eyeballing the number on a scale or looking at yourself in the mirror, you can't really tell.
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We were both testing body fat% and weight gain. We started with him being 145lbs/16% and I was at 190lbs/23%. About 4 months in he was at 160-170ish and still 16% fat. I dropped to 177 lbs and 17% body fat.
 
I gained 70 lbs in a 3 month period once. I wasn't a fat blob either. I chiseled it down pretty easily (good metabolism) in another couple months.
 
dviss1 said:
Lol! Why the hell do people want to do this? Have you seen Kevin Durant and LeBron James handles? They had those handles coming into the league. Vonleh is right where he's supposed to be. In the PF spot.
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While I'm not disagreeing with your premise that Vonleh shouldn't be given a lot of run at the 3, I don't his think handles, or relative lack thereof -- especially relative to two of the biggest superstars of this generation -- is sufficient argument to support that. Guys like Wes Matthews and Tony Allen have obviously been extremely successful without great handle.

As to Vonleh as a 3 in general, I don't think it should be a full-time idea, but can see a couple scenarios where it might make sense in short stints:
  • going big offensively with Meyers stretching the court as the 4
  • going big defensively against Lebron
 
Yeah, dude is a physical specimen. 6'10" guys just don't have legs like that. Legs like that are for shorter squatty guys like me. Might be why it looks like he doesn't have great hops.
 
MickZagger said:
Yeah, dude is a physical specimen. 6'10" guys just don't have legs like that. Legs like that are for shorter squatty guys like me. Might be why it looks like he doesn't have great hops.
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I think that's a good thing really. He just needs footwork training. Players that aren't leapers tend to last much long in the NBA
 
If anything, it bodes well for his post defense.

DMC wouldn't be able to back down that. Remember Chuck Hayes from his HOU days? He had simlar tree trunk legs and checked centers on the reg. In fact, before he got injured his DRtg was sub-100 as a 6'7" center.
 
magnifier661 said:
We were both testing body fat% and weight gain. We started with him being 145lbs/16% and I was at 190lbs/23%. About 4 months in he was at 160-170ish and still 16% fat. I dropped to 177 lbs and 17% body fat.
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190*.23 = 43.7

170*.17=30.09

190-43.7 = 146.3 lean mass

170-30.09=139.1 lean mass

So in that 4 months you lost 13 pounds, but in fact ~6 pounds of that was lean body mass. So you lost ~6 pounds of muscle and ~7 pounds of fat.

Your friend:

145*.16=23.2

165*.16=26.4

145-23=122

165-26=139

Your friend put on 17 pounds of lean muscle. I find that hard to believe, but if he just started working out for the first time then it's possible. If he was already close to his genetic peak, then there's no way.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If anything, it bodes well for his post defense.

DMC wouldn't be able to back down that. Remember Chuck Hayes from his HOU days? He had simlar tree trunk legs and checked centers on the reg. In fact, before he got injured his DRtg was sub-100 as a 6'7" center.
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Hayes was more like 6'5" or 6'6".
 
glazeduck said:
While I'm not disagreeing with your premise that Vonleh shouldn't be given a lot of run at the 3, I don't his think handles, or relative lack thereof -- especially relative to two of the biggest superstars of this generation -- is sufficient argument to support that. Guys like Wes Matthews and Tony Allen have obviously been extremely successful without great handle.

As to Vonleh as a 3 in general, I don't think it should be a full-time idea, but can see a couple scenarios where it might make sense in short stints:
  • going big offensively with Meyers stretching the court as the 4
  • going big defensively against Lebron
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I agree with..... everyone. On one hand you don't want to put a player (especially a young player) in a position that does not give him the best chance to succeed, but on the other hand some coaches don't believe in positions and just want their best players on the floor.

Could Vonleh be a Lamar Odom type player for a few minutes a game with Leonard out high spreading the floor? Maybe we just label them as 3 forwards on the floor with two guards who can handle the ball? (Dame and CJ) Make other teams match up with us vs the other way around.

Yes I know we are getting a head of our selves. He is still young and this is just summer league, but it is still fun to think about.
 
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dviss1 said:
Lol! Why the hell do people want to do this? Have you seen Kevin Durant and LeBron James handles? They had those handles coming into the league. Vonleh is right where he's supposed to be. In the PF spot.
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Umm, not sure what your point is. Lebron and Durant both play SF.
 
B-Roy said:
190*.23 = 43.7

170*.17=30.09

190-43.7 = 146.3 lean mass

170-30.09=139.1 lean mass

So in that 4 months you lost 13 pounds, but in fact ~6 pounds of that was lean body mass. So you lost ~6 pounds of muscle and ~7 pounds of fat.

Your friend:

145*.16=23.2

165*.16=26.4

145-23=122

165-26=139

Your friend put on 17 pounds of lean muscle. I find that hard to believe, but if he just started working out for the first time then it's possible. If he was already close to his genetic peak, then there's no way.
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That makes sense then. He was skinny thin. I'm talking like a tooth pick. But he worked out at least twice as hard and drank those weight gaining drinks like water.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with..... everyone. On one hand you don't want to put a player (especially a young player) in a position that does not give him the best chance to succeed, but on the other hand some coaches don't believe in positions and just want their best players on the floor.

Could Vonleh be a Lamar Odom type player for a few minutes a game with Leonard out high spreading the floor? Maybe we just label them as 3 forwards on the floor with two guards who can handle the ball? (Dame and CJ) Make other teams match up with us vs the other way around.

Yes I know we are getting a head of our selves. He is still young and this is just summer league, but if is still fun to think about.
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I like the Lamar Odom comparison a lot--a natural 4 who could play the 3 on occasion.

Also, I would really like to see him match up against Lebron and Durant this season, just to see what effect his length, mass, and athleticism have on them.
 
Noah also has a higher no-step and max vert than Meyers and Plumlee.

His hops are fine. He just doesn't really need it with that huge wingspan.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If anything, it bodes well for his post defense.

DMC wouldn't be able to back down that. Remember Chuck Hayes from his HOU days? He had simlar tree trunk legs and checked centers on the reg. In fact, before he got injured his DRtg was sub-100 as a 6'7" center.
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Why would DMC back down his soon-to-be teammate?:cool2:
 
BrianFromWA said:
Fine. What did I gain? I've been told I'm a 500-pound brain, but Marine boot camp didn't add to that.

I had spent most of my post-puberty life training as well. Not "lifting", but training (I was a pretty good lightweight wrestler).
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What did you gain? They implanted regulation USMC brass balls? :drumroll:
 
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