Non-gender entity sues it's employer $500k b/c they referred to it as a woman.

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Good point.



I agree with "they" sounding weird. It took me a while to write the response to El Prez up there because I kept typing "she" and then correcting myself. We are of a generation where using "they" as a singular gender neutral pronoun is weird, but not impossible. The next generation will have less of a problem with it, and so on and so forth until it becomes accepted. Linguistics has been talking about "they" morphing into a gender neutral singular pronoun for years, long before this kind of thing made national news. It's just the course of natural language evolution.

All I'm trying to get at is that people should call people what they want to be called instead of writing them off as being dramatic or childish. People don't go and self-identify as something difficult to understand or abstract on a whim. Why would you when there is such a negative reaction to it?



Agree 100%. The lawsuit is ridiculous.

Agreed on all accounts. My ultimate point was that the lawsuit was ridiculous.

My next point is that you are wasting your time defending your stance. I think most people here agree that people should be treated with respect and as they would like to be treated. But I have no doubt that most people here tend to waaaaayyyyyyy overreact to the negative and attack this person because the lawsuit is bullshit and utterly ridiculous. It's that feeling of being so flabbergasted by such a suit being filed, that we tend to go overboard the other way and blast the victim. At least I'd like to think that's what's going on here.

 

[maxiep]

I went to grad school with a transvestite who became transgender during his/her time at school. He/she was fucking hilarious about it. There wasn't a joke you could crack that Rich/Richelle wouldn't one up you on. Far from making people adjust to his/her situation, he/she tried to make people comfortable with it. He/she would answer to both Rich or Richelle, and wouldn't have minded at all if you called him/her "he" or "she". He/she understood that people at their heart aren't discriminatory, people just have a difficult time with unusual situations.

My friend is gone now, but I know he/she would have thought this person is giving all transgendered people a bad name.

 

[noknobs]

But I have no doubt that most people here tend to waaaaayyyyyyy overreact to the negative and attack this person because the lawsuit is bullshit and utterly ridiculous. It's that feeling of being so flabbergasted by such a suit being filed, that we tend to go overboard the other way and blast the victim. At least I'd like to think that's what's going on here.

... If you believe, and rightly so, that the lawsuit is ridiculous, then why are you calling it the 'victim'?

The "victim" chose to surgically alter its genitilia, it should be sueing itself if it's embarassed/sensitive about it. The fact it is instead drawing further attention to itself with this lawsuit and getting upset about being called "miss" or "lady", when it's name is Valeria and it looks like a girl, well that just proves its agenda all along- To get attention and to look for any possible slight by society so that it can get a free hand-out. Therefore it deserves all the blasting its getting.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Anyone remember Renee Richards? He was a failed pro tennis player who got a sex change operation to play on the women's tour. Anyway, the USTA had to create a new division- mixed singles. You can read about it in his new book, Tennis Without Balls.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I'm younger than you and I definitely feel the same way as Maris, as do most people my age, so you better get used to it. I honestly think your view on this is childish and stupid. And it's not because so few people believe what you do, it's because it's just pointless and ridiculous. Creating drama for no reason other than to make money and feel "different".

Being respectful to people's identity is childish and stupid?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I went to grad school with a transvestite who became transgender during his/her time at school. He/she was fucking hilarious about it. There wasn't a joke you could crack that Rich/Richelle wouldn't one up you on. Far from making people adjust to his/her situation, he/she tried to make people comfortable with it. He/she would answer to both Rich or Richelle, and wouldn't have minded at all if you called him/her "he" or "she". He/she understood that people at their heart aren't discriminatory, people just have a difficult time with unusual situations.

My friend is gone now, but I know he/she would have thought this person is giving all transgendered people a bad name.

I studied in Morocco with two trans people and they were also really open and funny about it, as well as forgiving with people who had a hard time wrapping their heads around their gender. But yeah, trans people are just normal folks. Some will be cool and others will be uptight assholes and others will be the type to sue for 500k when their coworkers don't call them their preferred pronoun.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

... If you believe, and rightly so, that the lawsuit is ridiculous, then why are you calling it the 'victim'?

The "victim" chose to surgically alter its genitilia, it should be sueing itself if it's embarassed/sensitive about it. The fact it is instead drawing further attention to itself with this lawsuit and getting upset about being called "miss" or "lady", when it's name is Valeria and it looks like a girl, well that just proves its agenda all along- To get attention and to look for any possible slight by society so that it can get a free hand-out. Therefore it deserves all the blasting its getting.

That's how "they" chooses to definitely (it would be "chooses" if I said "he" or "she", but now should it be "choose"?).

I don't disagree on any level. I've already stated several times it's BS. You are right - "they" is not a victim, but the plaintiff. I used "victim" because that's how the story attempts to paint "they". My point to hoojacks was that he was wasting his time defending "they" - ridiculousness gets met with ridiculousness. I was more defending the S2 crowd and saying you guys are a fair crowd. You guys are responding to the ridiculousness of the lawsuit with exaggerated disgust, intended or not, because the whole thing is a crock.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

That's how "they" chooses to definitely (it would be "chooses" if I said "he" or "she", but now should it be "choose"?).

I don't disagree on any level. I've already stated several times it's BS. You are right - "they" is not a victim, but the plaintiff. I used "victim" because that's how the story attempts to paint "they". My point to hoojacks was that he was wasting his time defending "they" - ridiculousness gets met with ridiculousness. I was more defending the S2 crowd and saying you guys are a fair crowd. You guys are responding to the ridiculousness of the lawsuit with exaggerated disgust, intended or not, because the whole thing is a crock.

Yeah I wouldn't care about they if they didn't try to sue for 500k just because they aren't being called they.

They should just change their name to They.

..Or "Teh ghey"

 

[MARIS61]

Bolded comments are mine.

Within the community that this actually affects, it is accepted to use "they" if you don't know the preferred pronoun. Many people also use "they" when you don't know the gender of someone you are talking about. "The bus driver was rude to me." "Really? What did they say?"

LOL. Never in my long life have I ever heard anyone use they in reference to a single person. And neither have you.

"Valeria Jones alleges in a lawsuit that co-workers repeatedly called Jones “miss,” “lady” and “little lady” despite explanations that Jones “was not a female or a male and that the term was unwelcome.”"

You've figured out her dastardly secret using logic! No wait, you fail at reading comprehension:

"Workers also directly said Jones looked like a woman andmade female celebrity comparisons, the suit states."

The testimony says "she made female celebrity comparisons". Your link edited the word she out of the statement.

I can't wait for your generation to die off. No offense.

We brought you into this world and we can damn well take you out.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

LOL. Never in my long life have I ever heard anyone use they in reference to a single person. And neither have you.

Yes, I have. I've met plenty of gender queer people and many of them prefer being referred to as "they." Sorry, this isn't just fiction designed to get your old man panties in a twist. It is many people's reality. Deal with it.

And you've never said or heard someone say "they" when referring to a person of unknown gender? Fill in the blank:

A: "The bus driver was rude to me today."
B: "Really? What did ____ say to you?"

The testimony says "she made female celebrity comparisons". Your link edited the word she out of the statement.

It's not my link. I didn't start the thread. I looked at multiple stories to make sure I wasn't misreading this. Where did you find the direct testimony?

 

[MARIS61]

Right, because the adult world should be run at a grade school level. Shit is a little more nuanced than the fourth grade.

So in this thread you posit that everyone younger than you and everyone older than you is ignorant. I'm certain the world is more nuanced than that.

BTW, you're getting old.

 

[MARIS61]

Yes, I have. I've met plenty of gender queer people and many of them prefer being referred to as "they." Sorry, this isn't just fiction designed to get your old man panties in a twist. It is many people's reality. Deal with it.

And you've never said or heard someone say "they" when referring to a person of unknown gender? Fill in the blank:

A: "The bus driver was rude to me today."
B: "Really? What did ____ say to you?"

It's not my link. I didn't start the thread. I looked at multiple stories to make sure I wasn't misreading this. Where did you find the direct testimony?

What did he say to you? It is the norm when gender is unknown.
A female might say she in that instance. If we change bus driver to stripper, most people would assume it's a she. If we change it to Navy Seal would assume it's a he.
Those are some nuances for you.

If a female sues for $500, 000 because she is referred to as she, most people would assume she is deliberately abusing the legal system to steal money from her employer.

The testimony was quoted in several links but I'm on my phone so can't post one now. Google the phrase using she and you'll find a couple.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

What did he say to you? It is the norm when gender is unknown.
A female might say she in that instance. If we change bus driver to stripper, most people would assume it's a she. If we change it to Navy Seal would assume it's a he.
Those are some nuances for you.

This is generational. It was the norm to use "he" when the gender was unknown. It isn't anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

If a female sues for $500, 000 because she is referred to as she, most people would assume she is deliberately abusing the legal system to steal money from her employer.

I've learned that if someone perceived as female insists over and over again that they aren't female, most people aren't going to believe them and insist they know them better than they know themselves. I don't think that's worth a 500k lawsuit, but it is worth arguing about.

The testimony was quoted in several links but I'm on my phone so can't post one now. Google the phrase using she and you'll find a couple.

Oh, yeah, I found a couple!

 

[MARIS61]

Also unclear is which gender pronouns the special and unique litigant sought to be called.

Jones’s lawsuit, filed this week in Multnomah County Circuit Court by Portland attorney Donel Courtney, doesn’t identify the pronoun Jones prefers.

The Oregonian suggests that people in LGBTQ communities sometimes prefer the plural word “they” instead of “he” or “she.”

So, for example: Jones, a catering employee, diced the carrots and then they grated the cheese.

Hilarious. The correct interpretation of this sentence is that after Jones diced the carrots, the carrots grated the cheese.

 

[MARIS61]

It’s not gay rights. It’s not even LGBT which includes men who dress up like women. It’s actually LGBTQIA which includes a bunch of people who don’t know what they are, including “Queer” and “Asexual”.

This is the story of Valeria Jones, a real life Pat, who is apparently a woman and really determined not to be a woman. (via Doug Ross)

A person in Oregon named Valeria Jones is suing catering company Bon Appétit Management for $518,682 because coworkers used female names in reference to Jones despite the fact that Jones had continually expressed the desire to be addressed only with gender neutral pronouns.

Jones was unhappy, explaining that pronouns which apply to everyone do not apply to Jones and are “unwelcome” because Jones is “not a female or a male.”

Before ultimately quitting the job, Jones asked supervisors to present information to every other employee about various gender identity issues. The suit says supervisors chose not to make such a presentation.

“Plaintiff cried regularly at work and at home during this time,” Jones’s $518,682 suit declares.

The supervisors chose not to waste everyone’s time with the insanity of a crazy person. And here comes the lawsuit because the catering company chose not to manufacture a single new gender consisting entirely of “Jones”.

This whole thing is happening in Portland, because obviously where else could it happen except maybe San Francisco.

You’re never done with it. There are an infinite amount of permutations that people can come up with and there is no conceivable way of satisfying everyone because many of these people are unstable and looking for something to validate their sense of persecution and general state of unhappiness.

It never ends. Not until we roll back the madness and stop taking these incessant demands from people with identity problems seriously.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dg...682-for-not-acknowledging-its-lack-of-gender/

 

[MARIS61]

While the law is clear that people in Oregon must be treated according to their chosen, not biological, sex, it is unclear what the law prescribes for those who consider themselves ‘genderless,’ as Jones does.

Robert Levy, a legal expert with the Cato Institute, did not shy away from calling Jones’s lawsuit frivolous. “My impression is that this is much ado about nothing,” Levy told LifeSiteNews.

However, Levy warned that under the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) now being debated in Congress, such lawsuits could soon become commonplace nationwide – and maybe even justifiable under the law.

“If this law passes, this ENDA, which is specifically designed to incorporate the same kind of law that applies to racial, … gender, … disability, … and age discrimination, it would now extend over to sexual preference discrimination, and maybe that would apply here; I don’t know.”

But ultimately, even under ENDA, Jones’ case would be a stretch, said Levy.

“Frankly, I doubt even if ENDA were passed that this would qualify as discrimination based on sexual preference,” Levy told LifeSiteNews. “It has nothing to do with her sexual preference. She’s not being critical of someone for calling her gay, or calling her lesbian, or being homophobic in any sense. This is simply about her desire to be called by some gender-neutral term” – something Levy maintains she had no right to expect, regardless of the law.

“There are all kinds of different laws in different states giving people all sorts of ‘rights’ that justifiably shouldn’t exist,” Levy said. “But as a matter of public policy, I think it’s ridiculous to suggest people have a ‘right’ to be called something or something else. If they don’t like it, then don’t talk to that person. It’s pretty simple.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ge...then-sues-former-bosses-for-518000-because-th

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Also unclear is which gender pronouns the special and unique litigant sought to be called.

Jones’s lawsuit, filed this week in Multnomah County Circuit Court by Portland attorney Donel Courtney, doesn’t identify the pronoun Jones prefers.

The Oregonian suggests that people in LGBTQ communities sometimes prefer the plural word “they” instead of “he” or “she.”

So, for example: Jones, a catering employee, diced the carrots and then they grated the cheese.

Hilarious. The correct interpretation of this sentence is that after Jones diced the carrots, the carrots grated the cheese.

The carrots are non-gender entity's roommates - they self-identify as carrots, not as humans.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Carrots are so ghey.

 

[MARIS61]

Gender is the range of physical, biological, mental and behavioral characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.

Everyone is of at least 1 gender.

People are free to "self-identify" as being genderless, but just because they can't figure out which gender(s) they are doesn't mean everyone around them has to pretend they are also mystified.

They themselves are free to "self-identify" as people who can discern another person's gender through their own astute observations.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Gender is the range of physical, biological, mental and behavioral characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.

Everyone is of at least 1 gender.

People are free to "self-identify" as being genderless, but just because they can't figure out which gender(s) they are doesn't mean everyone around them has to pretend they are also mystified.

They themselves are free to "self-identify" as people who can discern another person's gender through their own astute observations.

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

(Same threads every couple of months - after people forget about the previous one.)

<cue Buck Angel thread>

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Gender is the range of physical, biological, mental and behavioral characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.

Everyone is of at least 1 gender.

People are free to "self-identify" as being genderless, but just because they can't figure out which gender(s) they are doesn't mean everyone around them has to pretend they are also mystified.

They themselves are free to "self-identify" as people who can discern another person's gender through their own astute observations.

Your prescriptions for other people's identities are meaningless.

If you had a coworker you assumed was female and they asked you not to refer to them as female, would you respect that request or not?

 

[MARIS61]

Your prescriptions for other people's identities are meaningless.

If you had a coworker you assumed was female and they asked you not to refer to them as female, would you respect that request or not?

Apples and Oranges.

Females exist. Genderless people don't.

Absolutely, if she told me what she preferred to be called. Otherwise no, because its an obvious setup. That is what happened in this case.

 

[PapaG]

"

I can't wait for your generation to die off. No offense.

The tolerant left...

 

[PapaG]

I studied in Morocco with two trans people and they were also really open and funny about it, as well as forgiving with people who had a hard time wrapping their heads around their gender. But yeah, trans people are just normal folks. Some will be cool and others will be uptight assholes and others will be the type to sue for 500k when their coworkers don't call them their preferred pronoun.

You're a rich, white, hipster liberal? I'm shocked!

 

[PapaG]

Also unclear is which gender pronouns the special and unique litigant sought to be called.


So, for example: Jones, a catering employee, diced the carrots and then they grated the cheese.

Hilarious. The correct interpretation of this sentence is that after Jones diced the carrots, the carrots grated the cheese.

That's awesome. Repped.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Apples and Oranges.

Pineapples and Grapefruit. See, I can name random fruit too.

Females exist. Genderless people don't.

As a social construct, there are definitely genderless people. As a matter of biology, sex is a spectrum.

http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

Absolutely, if she told me what she preferred to be called. Otherwise no, because its an obvious setup. That is what happened in this case.

Where does it say that the preferred pronoun wasn't provided? The only thing the article says is that the lawsuit doesn't mention it. You're assuming again.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

You're a rich, white, hipster liberal? I'm shocked!

Well you got the white liberal part right.

 

[PapaG]

Well you got the white liberal part right.

Poor white Americans don't study in Morocco.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Poor white Americans don't study in Morocco.

the ones that get scholarships do. Both of my study trips to Morocco were 100% paid for by the U.S. Gubment. Thanks, taxpayers!

EDIT: Also black people.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

The tolerant left...

Yes because I am attempting to be an avatar of liberalism instead of just being myself.

dismissive wanking motion