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I get up from my nap, and all Hell has broken loose. Not happy, at all, right now like most of you, but i've got to believe this is leading to bigger moves by the deadline. At least i'm sure as heck hoping so. Good luck to RoCo & Norm. Really liked & appreciated both of them.
 
Honest question. Do you think Cronin turned down better deals for these two with such positive value so he could make the shittiest deal possible thus ruining his career as a GM? Or could there be more to it.
I think he took the first deal he could and got taken to the cleaners at the negotiating table. Recall he WAS in LA this week, so this likely happened in person.
 
They are gearing up to pay Nurk and Ant....that's why this trade went down. Norm had an attractive contract to shop and CJ didn't. Roco everybody knew was gone...don't know much about the Clippers guys we got but Chauncey sure does.

Except it doesn't appear that they saved much and they also didn't get anything back that helps fill in the pieces around Dame, Nurk, Ant and a couple of others. There's no point in bringing someone like Nurk back if you've essentially got a team of five decent players and 10 Trendon Watfords.
 
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Portland’s real issue: Next year’s tax. Yes, Portland got out of the tax by making this trade. The Blazers were $3 million over the luxury-tax line Friday morning; after this trade, Portland will be $1 million under, because it traded $28.5 million in contracts for $24.5 million. Financially, the rest of the league should send Portland a fruitcake (or a similar gesture but with something edible); merely by executing this trade, the Blazers likely added nearly $1 million to the payout for every other team below the tax line. More on that in a minute.

Perhaps just as importantly, the Blazers avoid a pickle regarding next year’s tax. Because Bledsoe is only guaranteed $3.9 million of his $19.3 million salary for 2022-23 and presumably would be waived before that guarantee hit, the Blazers shaved $6 million off next year’s tax number; they now have $17 million below the tax line and will need more money than that if they wish to re-sign Jusuf Nurkic and Anfernee Simons. Did I mention they also need to sign five more players after that? Yeah, the long-term cap situation here still isn’t great.

Speaking of which …

Does this foretell a CJ McCollum move? Powell being gone seemingly clears the way for a Lillard-McCollum backcourt with Simons as a high-minutes third guard. Or not. One way for Portland to clear a lot more room is to deal McCollum, who is owed $69 million over the next two seasons; one rumor making the rounds, for instance, is that the Pelicans would send them Tomas Satoransky, Josh Hart and another contract to bring in McCollum. (Draft picks may also be involved.)

A move like that would give the Blazers about $16 million more in contractual wiggle room for next year (or $29 million if they waived Hart, who is good but has a weird contract that is non-guaranteed each of the next two seasons) added to the amount above, which obviously would make it far easier to reconstruct a decent roster around Lillard, Simons and Nurkic.
 
Honest question. Do you think Cronin turned down better deals for these two with such positive value so he could make the shittiest deal possible thus ruining his career as a GM? Or could there be more to it.
I do think there has to be more to it and maybe it makes some sense in the end but nothing will change the fact that the Clippers got over on us in a very major way. At the end of the day we might be in a better position after more moves but yeah this one on it's face really sucks.
 
You’re forgetting the whole tank strategy.
I’d be ok with tank strategy just mad we didn’t even get one 1st rounder back, I assumed that’s the least you’d get for each of them not 3 scrubs and a 2nd rounder. I’m still in shock, should have known Cronin was preparing this with his comments earlier this week
 
I think he took the first deal he could and got taken to the cleaners at the negotiating table. Recall he WAS in LA this week, so this likely happened in person.
Illmatic is putting on a forum mental breakdown for the ages :biglaugh:
 
Honest question. Do you think Cronin turned down better deals for these two with such positive value so he could make the shittiest deal possible thus ruining his career as a GM? Or could there be more to it.
Very unlikely. It just feels like if this is all that is offered, maybe wait 6 more days to the deadline, and see if someone else gets desperate, or someone has an injury or something.
 
This is like Biden and Ukraine. The military-industrial complex and generals are pushing for more presence in Ukraine for absolutely no reason according to the Ukrainians. This was Jody and Vulcan using Cronin to do their dirty work and will discard him in the summer. Nobody with basketball or NBA experience could think this was a reasonable deal.

This is the worst deal I've ever seen. No exaggeration. Simply awful and unfortunate because we are limited to how we can get better now.
 
The NBA and the other owners do not want the Blazers to move.

It's not happening.

Period.

LOL. ok?

You are one of my favorite contributors here man so not gonna argue. I posted after that i am willing tos ee how all of this shakes out in the next week before i implode.
 
Both players were at the nadir of their value.

Norm felt like a slight to modest negative asset depending on team to me and Roco is an expiring with a questionable playoff track record + past his prime.

Tax savings, slightly better prospect than Keon who I did like somewhat in the draft and a heavily protected first was a best case return.
Jdc = Joe David Cronin?
 
If it’s the worst deal ever then it’s a great way to be shitty.


It's the worst deal because it does nothing to help us get out of the tank we are obviously going towards.

How is it that hard to understand? This is all so simple.
 
The NBA and the other owners do not want the Blazers to move.

It's not happening.

Period.

LOL. ok?

You are one of my favorite contributors here man so not gonna argue. I posted after that i am willing tos ee how all of this shakes out in the next week before i implode.
 
Honest question. Do you think Cronin turned down better deals for these two with such positive value so he could make the shittiest deal possible thus ruining his career as a GM? Or could there be more to it.

honest question. Do you think Cronin did himself any favors by not waiting until the deadline?
 
Ive yet to see a rational explanation for this one. There were so many other avenues to accomplish the minor current and future tax savings. This wasnt it. At least wait until the deadline by canvassing the league. This was extremely shortsighted.
You have literally no idea what future moves are. Woj even mentioned in his story this is the precursor to other moves. Not a single person on this board knows the circumstances in which the deal was made. Cronin has been in the NBA for a long time now, we don’t know if he’s a great GM but we sure as fuck can’t judge him until we have the full picture.

Am I upset we didn’t get Mann or Boston in this deal? Definitely. But we have LITERALLY ZERO idea of the market inside the NBA. We hear Norm in rumors for Jerami Grant and it raises your expectations…in reality he’s a starter who is now on one of the longest deals in the NBA. He’s been unhappy all season and maybe there was a similar deal that we could have taken but Cronin went with this as a favor to Norm and his agent by sending him home instead. There are so many outside forces that go into each deal and for you to sit here and throw a tantrum is pretty comical.

Give it to the deadline, then be angry if you so chose but my god man get some fresh air and take a breath!

The season was a bust from the moment Dame went down. Enjoy the tank, let’s get a high pick, reset our books and retool around Dame for his last 3-4 year run.
 
Well....I like Trendon Watford more than Roco and he's on a 2 way contract so in my world...that's a hell of a value for your buck....Nas too......big paycheck doesn't always translate to best player.

With all due respect to you liking Watford, I'd suspect you'd be in a very, very small minority who think Trendon Watford is better than Robert Covington, and that has nothing to do with the contract.

People like Watford because he's overachieved, same as Elleby, but their expectations were so low that it wasn't hard to reach that bar. IMO, neither one ever gets a sniff of being a rotation player on a legitimate contender. Covington already has been not just that, but a contributor.

Of course, this deviates from the actual point of our exchange, which is your contention that making this move for a minimal return in assets was to somehow maintain other assets -- we're still dropping a rung in talent and resources on a roster that's already probably fifth in the West at best with a healthy Dame. It's a move that doesn't compute, to give away assets instead of using them to acquire other assets that could have complemented players you maintain the move was made to build around.
 
You have literally no idea what future moves are. Woj even mentioned in his story this is the precursor to other moves. Not a single person on this board knows the circumstances in which the deal was made. Cronin has been in the NBA for a long time now, we don’t know if he’s a great GM but we sure as fuck can’t judge him until we have the full picture.

Am I upset we didn’t get Mann or Boston in this deal? Definitely. But we have LITERALLY ZERO idea of the market inside the NBA. We hear Norm in rumors for Jerami Grant and it raises your expectations…in reality he’s a starter who is now on one of the longest deals in the NBA. He’s been unhappy all season and maybe there was a similar deal that we could have taken but Cronin went with this as a favor to Norm and his agent by sending him home instead. There are so many outside forces that go into each deal and for you to sit here and throw a tantrum is pretty comical.

Give it to the deadline, then be angry if you so chose but my god man get some fresh air and take a breath!

The season was a bust from the moment Dame went down. Enjoy the tank, let’s get a high pick, reset our books and retool around Dame for his last 3-4 year run.
What use is tanking with lesser players when the only draft asset we get back is a 2nd rounder 3 yrs from now?
 
I do think there has to be more to it and maybe it makes some sense in the end but nothing will change the fact that the Clippers got over on us in a very major way. At the end of the day we might be in a better position after more moves but yeah this one on it's face really sucks.
Agree. It's got to be about setting up the big move next week. Bledsoe has only 3.9 guaranteed on his last year. That's very tradable. So to me, it's setting up a CJ + Bledsoe multi-team deal, which hopefully brings back the help needed to improve the team going forward.
 
Now I SERIOUSLY have to consider which Joe is more sleepy. Thought it was obvious....but maybe not.
 
LOL. ok?

You are one of my favorite contributors here man so not gonna argue. I posted after that i am willing tos ee how all of this shakes out in the next week before i implode.

I base it on the following...

The Moda has been beautifully maintained and improved over the years. That arena is not showing its age. If you look at the Sonics fiasco Key arena was pure junk and no one wanted to build a new arena. It was financially impossible for the Sonics to make that work. Also, Blazer fans are much more rabid than Sonic fans. This is because Portland has very few sports offerings compared to Seattle.

But here is the biggest reason why the league and owners will not sign off on a move, money! Owners get nothing from a team moving. But an expansion fee for a new franchise could put $50+mill in every owner's pocket.

Portland also helps anchor an eventual league expansion and realignment if the NBA adds Vegas, Seattle, and/or Vancouver BC.
 
Agree. It's got to be about setting up the big move next week. Bledsoe has only 3.9 guaranteed on his last year. That's very tradable. So to me, it's setting up a CJ + Bledsoe multi-team deal, which hopefully brings back the help needed to improve the team going forward.
Cj and Bledsoe can't be combined. Not that we'd really need to. What salary could we possibly need to aggregate that much for?
 
A lot of people are forgetting order of operations.
When you have cap you can use your cap room to sign new guys then sign your own free gents back to go over the cap.

True, but each player has a cap hold that is actually pretty high. That cap hold, unless other moves are made to get lower, will push them over the cap. So just the MLE for next year.
 

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