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<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I remember reading an article about it. They were touting it as the greatest invention since sliced bread. It served its' purpose though: suckered the majority of the population into believing that there was a common enemy out there that could be beaten.</div>

yeah they needed to sell the idea of war to christians and of course as most of u know- jesus christ was the worlds first celebrated pacifist. defeating evil was a pretext for war in the bible belt, or so they are led to believe...
 
Subject - I wouldn't be concerned of a country like North Korea who only posses these weapons for hostile purposes of being recognized by world leaders. I highly doubt they [North Korea] would attempt to attack a country let alone sell these weapons to others who would be in a position to attempt an attack against their enemies.

<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">are u simple? that was under restrictive immigration and the broader imperative of exclusivity. latin america is the place i identified as the place with expansive diversity.</div>

You don't have a clue of this world, kid. Most of the words you use don't even pertain to the sentences you're writing about. My college mates are having a blast reading this and your views of Europe are laughable at best. Also, "simple" shouldn't be used for the insult you're attempting to write because the way you asked me that it really means "are you a humble person?" If you wanted to ask if I'm stupid, well I wouldn't go into accusations of others when it appears you're at the top of the leader board at the moment. That's quite an immature way of defending your judgments.

Anyway it has been fun crushing your ego for a short time and I know others enjoyed it with how many damn PM messages I received. I really do suggest settling down and attempting to be more open when you debate. Debates are only fun when opinions are backed up with information and the individuals can respect one another's views.
 
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah they needed to sell the idea of war to christians and of course as most of u know- jesus christ was the worlds first celebrated pacifist. defeating evil was a pretext for war in the bible belt, or so they are led to believe...</div>
Didn't know about that in particular. I thought that concept worked on most of the American population, even outside the "Bible Belt." What I thought it did particularily well is simplifying the US situation with terrorism into a scenario that most of the population could relate to. A common enemy brought parallells to the US vs. Soviet Communist, or the US vs. German/Japanese Fascism, etc. It was definitely easier to justify war, when you had most people thinking in a WWII/Cold War mindset again.
 
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">


You don't have a clue of this world, kid. Most of the words you use don't even pertain to the sentences you're writing about. My college mates are having a blast reading this and your views of Europe are laughable at best. Also, "simple" shouldn't be used for the insult you're attempting to write because the way you asked me that it really means "are you a humble person?" If you wanted to ask if I'm stupid, well I wouldn't go into accusations of others when it appears you're at the top of the leader board at the moment. That's quite an immature way of defending your judgments.

Anyway it has been fun crushing your ego for a short time and I know others enjoyed it with how many damn PM messages I received. I really do suggest settling down and attempting to be more open when you debate. Debates are only fun when opinions are backed up with information and the individuals can respect one another's views.</div>

your college mates? community/junior college i suspect. communications? fashion? so u?ve received pm's for your heroic effort, figures since most jbb members haven't hit puberty yet.
 
Dudes, no need to make this thread into a battle of insults. We were having a nice back-and-forth about how the US and North Korea are like two retards playing a game of chicken (nuclear style!). If you got a personal issue, just settle it through PM's.
 
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">whats that suppose to mean?</div>

I know I'm late replying to this, but I just caught it. I wasn't being rude or anything, but please, dumb the language down for us non vocabularly talented people.
 
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah they needed to sell the idea of war to christians and of course as most of u know- jesus christ was the worlds first celebrated pacifist. defeating evil was a pretext for war in the bible belt, or so they are led to believe...</div>

It wasn't a matter of selling the war to the Bible belt, the Red states will back the Republican party no matter what. I think it was more a move to justify to the UN and to get support worldwide for the US to invade Iraq.

When the inspectors couldn't find any WMDs, the UN's support for the US in Iraq went away. It didn't take long to figure out there were no WMDs to begin with. So now we have this current mess, a torn nation, and the US is viewed as the world bully.

This N. Korea incident is going to get very interesting. China is a tough no-win situation. They don't want an influx of N. Korean refugees entering their borders, but at the same time they could face pressure from the Middle Eastern countries they get oil from. The surrounding countries around Iran don't want to see Iran step up their nuclear capabilities. Then there's the threat of Japan also considering arming themselves with nukes.
 
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">your college mates? community/junior college i suspect. communications? fashion? so u?ve received pm's for your heroic effort, figures since most jbb members haven't hit puberty yet.</div>

Sorry to blow up this situation even more, but you're not really helping out with your replies. It makes you look just as childish as the pre-pubescent members you're talking about.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
This N. Korea incident is going to get very interesting. China is a tough no-win situation. They don't want an influx of N. Korean refugees entering their borders, but at the same time they could face pressure from the Middle Eastern countries they get oil from. The surrounding countries around Iran don't want to see Iran step up their nuclear capabilities. Then there's the threat of Japan also considering arming themselves with nukes.</div>

two questions in anything wmd related: capability? and why would they?

-intelligence and the north koreans themselves are the only ones qualified to answer the first. however, the second question resides in the muddied waters of b.s. - i think the US state dept will be selling the nut job factor with kim jong as tensions rise.
 
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">fyi- "axis of evil" was coined by a canadian named david frum, one of bush's speechwriters and one of canada's foremost neo-con intellectuals who fled to america to escape our lefty bastion</div>

hhmmm, I always figured that term was created by Frank Luntz, a top gop political advisor. For those who don't know, he's the guy who advises republicans (and some funtune500 companies) on how to make changes to the terms they use to get the desired reaction from the public.

For example: instead of using the term "war in iraq" use "war on terror" or instead of using "global warming" use "climate change"... I believe he's also helping with Israeli relations too. I could be wrong, but I think he's the one who told them to refer to the jewish settlements on palestinian territory as jewish "neighbourhoods"....
 
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">After watching Team America, I just can't take Kim-jong Il seriously lol.</div>

Same here.
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Oh man I'm having a blast reading this.

I agree we needed better leadership during 9/11 and there was none to be found at the highest levels of government. I mean that's why elections are so close. There's no common leader to unite us all in our differences. We also had bad leaders in the CIA and they can't be trusted for any kind of intelligence these days. We also had bad infrastructure in place in our government agencies long before the Bush/Gore elections. It's hard to give politicians and bureaucrats the benefit of the doubt even in times of crisis. I'd have to say as charismatic as Bush is compared to Gore or Kerry, he really comes off as a laughing stock. You know, like the dumbass everyone makes fun of or the guy that keeps making mistakes after people said, "we told you so!"

The ex generals and current mid level officers in the military were telling the guys higher up in the chain of command that we need more troops on the ground. We can invade a country like Iraq with small number of troops, but the occupation force has to be larger or casualties after the invasion will get worse, the fighting will get worse, and we'll create more enemies as fence sitters get caught up in the crossfire.

Guys like former Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki and other Army/Marine officers like him were saying the troop strength level needed to be done ASAP after a successful invasion, if the politicians were to give them no choice but to invade early because of standing orders. But, I guess in the military and in the government, the guys who get into the highest positions of power and make all the decisions for us might be usurpers, asskissers, perveyors of cronyism, nepotists, influence peddlers and what not. It's a shame that there aren't leaders with great vision, preparedness, talent, and a mindset to weigh all the variables, in power right now and recognized through talent rather than pure relationships.

It totally screws us over because being the proud Americans like we are after being attacked by a foreign enemy, we are stuck between feelings of jingoism as well as the aporetic thoughts about our government's motive to go to war on sketchy intel. I mean it's not uncommon for anyone to develop a cynical disposition towards government after what happened in recent years and given what little we do know now. Maybe any WOMD are in Syria, but we can't tell because information sources are unreliable and we 're fighting the wrong kind of war if we're trying to fight terrorism as a whole. We have to win it with strong intel before we send troops there otherwise we cap out our resources and our resolve becomes weaker. I mean we still have to avenge 9/11, not create more terrorists in other nations. Iraq, could one day be peaceful because of us, who knows? But we are losing momentum it seems, and we just screwed up the balance of power in the middle east. Especially when it comes to Iran.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It wasn't a matter of selling the war to the Bible belt, the Red states will back the Republican party no matter what.</div>
That just shows how terrible partisan politics has made the US govenment system. Every move has become crippling and slow. People are blinded by their party, and it makes for alot of hot air being blowed around by people using buzz words to sound important while shouting party slogans.


<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This N. Korea incident is going to get very interesting. China is a tough no-win situation. They don't want an influx of N. Korean refugees entering their borders, but at the same time they could face pressure from the Middle Eastern countries they get oil from. The surrounding countries around Iran don't want to see Iran step up their nuclear capabilities. Then there's the threat of Japan also considering arming themselves with nukes.</div>

I think you are missing the real problem facing china. If North Korea continues on this path, they can really bring instability to the region, something china wants no part of, considering how much optimism they have becoming the fastest growing economic power in the world. On the flip side, North Korea is a large trading partner, and China's growth is pricipally fuelled by their trade surplus. They can't afford to lose a major trading partner if they want to continue to grow. However, instablity in the region would be much more detremental, so I think they are gonna have to bite the bullet and get very tough with North Korea.
 

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