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It was probably an Evan Turner Jersey but they took the 1 off because they didn't want Kim to think they meant Turner was more important than him.

Or maybe it was a Meyers jersey and he took the number and letters off because they dislike him in N Korea as much as most on this forum.
 
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Ha Seung-Jin hasn't aged a bit.......
 
All kidding aside the real threat from NK is a nuke caused Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, EMP. One nuke would ruin us.




EMP: Is this the real threat?
Most analysts believe North Korea is not yet capable of a direct missile strike on the US mainland, but Kim Jong-un’s dogged determination to make this a reality is quite disconcerting.

Some experts believe that the more realistic threat at this point in time is an EMP attack. To make that happen, all North Korea has to do is launch a low-yield nuclear missile from a submarine, ship, or even by balloon and explode it at high altitude, above the atmosphere.

The potential result: a blackout of the Eastern grid that supplies 75% of power to the United States.

If an EMP attack did take place, it would be beyond anything we have seen before. The Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, which was established by Congress in 2001, estimates that within 12 months following a nationwide blackout, “up to 90% of the US population could perish from starvation, disease, and societal breakdown.”

Electronic Armageddon
In practical terms, a catastrophic blackout would be worst in cities, because it would instantly deprive the population of access to drinking water, refrigeration, heat, air conditioning, and telecommunication. Food stores would be looted within a matter of days, and gas stations would cease to function without electricity.

Without Internet access and power, all commerce and advanced methods of communication would stop. There would be no TV, radio, phones. Credit card transactions and cash withdrawals at banks would be impossible. Paper money would become worthless, and Bitcoin would cease to exist, along with the stock market.

Newt Gingrich, speaking at the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources earlier this month, said an EMP attack “would send us back to the 18thcentury.”

But that’s not the only problem. If no outside help arrives, within days, chaos begins to reign. Civilization is a rather thin veneer that humans have acquired over centuries, a mask covering our hard-wired survival instincts. Once the mask slips, it could mean the end of the world as we know it.

We are Ill-Prepared For An EMP Attack
US politicians and major utilities have kicked the can down the road when it comes to EMP preparation. Edison Electric estimates that shielding transformers for the US grid system could cost $20 billion.

Granted, American power companies have been studying ways to protect our electronic grids against attack, but tangible results are slow in coming.

The only current option after an EMP attack would be to replace damaged or destroyed transformers. However, says Scott Aaronson, managing director for Cyber and Infrastructure Security at Edison Electric, replacements for those transformers must be procured from foreign suppliers, which could take up to 18 months.

Peter Vincent Pry, leader of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, believes North Korea is closer to launching an EMP attack than many analysts believe. He wants Congress to work harder and cut the red tape to allow the innovation necessary to mitigate the threat.

In Pry’s opinion, an EMP attack would ultimately kill more Americans than a direct nuclear blast could. His book, The Long Sunday, describes several plausible EMP attack scenarios.

Pry thinks that “the first nation to use nuclear weapons today—even a rogue state like North Korea or Iran—will immediately become the most feared and credible nuclear power in the world, a formidable force to be reckoned with, and perhaps the dominant actor in a new world order.”

Is there a sensible way to prepare for an EMP attack?

Maybe not, but stocking some food, water, fuel, and batteries for emergencies is always a good idea—as well as owning a stash of gold coins as hard assets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korean-emp-attack-the-dark-possibility-2017-7

This is real.

Think about it. We have proven when we are bombed or attacked in a physical nature that causes destruction and loss of life, our divided country will unite to avenge.
911 proved that.

But with an EMP and the volatility in so many city streets across the states, an EMP could send us into complete chaos with neighbors looting and fighting neighbors and a complete breakdown of any sense of community and unity.

EMPs are no joke.
 
Ok. So our response is to call North Korea's leader "Rocket Man" and threaten to "totally destroy North Korea"....
 
I've heard that certain massive solar flair events might cause similar damage to the power grid. They say ones in the 1800s did a lot of damage to telegraph lines, and if were to happen today, it would cause a lot of problems. But our national goverments can't get around to spending money to protect us from things like this.
 
I've heard that certain massive solar flair events might cause similar damage to the power grid. They say ones in the 1800s did a lot of damage to telegraph lines, and if were to happen today, it would cause a lot of problems. But our national goverments can't get around to spending money to protect us from things like this.


too much science and scientists are involved. Tell me, how big is my penis? Thats what I care about.
 
I've heard that certain massive solar flair events might cause similar damage to the power grid. They say ones in the 1800s did a lot of damage to telegraph lines, and if were to happen today, it would cause a lot of problems. But our national goverments can't get around to spending money to protect us from things like this.

Yes. Huge concern. Our power grid is very outdated, inefficient, and vulnerable.
 
Without doubt. Kim Yung and the Donald could waste the planet because of Their two immature egos. Trump doesn't realize his stupid comments can actually ignite our deaths.
 
I've felt for awhile, that somehow, someway, civilization is going to collapse. We're just so interdepentent now, so dependent on technology. Once you lose electricity, the domino affect
too much science and scientists are involved. Tell me, how big is my penis? Thats what I care about.
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How many missiles does Un get to fire off before war is declared. How many nuclear tests. How patient is Trump? At what point will he feel forced to take out North Korea. Its Mockery and threats for now. How long till he takes action and presses the button?
On the otherside of the coin, how long until Kim Jong Un is forced to shoot a missile at us. If he does nothing he will look weak in front of his people, and they will lose respect for him. Something he can't tolerate. There is only so much postering he can do before he has to shoot a missile at us. Well, I guess he can publicly execute people with anti aircraft weapons and the fear will keep him looking powerful. But, for how long.
 
How many missiles does Un get to fire off before war is declared. How many nuclear tests. How patient is Trump? At what point will he feel forced to take out North Korea. Its Mockery and threats for now. How long till he takes action and presses the button?
On the otherside of the coin, how long until Kim Jong Un is forced to shoot a missile at us. If he does nothing he will look weak in front of his people, and they will lose respect for him. Something he can't tolerate. There is only so much postering he can do before he has to shoot a missile at us. Well, I guess he can publicly execute people with anti aircraft weapons and the fear will keep him looking powerful. But, for how long.

Why can't countries have missiles and nukes? I would prefer no further nations get nukes. I wish the countries that currently have them greatly reduce them. But this is 70 year old technology.

Is testing missiles and nukes enough for us to declare war on a country?
 
Why can't countries have missiles and nukes? I would prefer no further nations get nukes. I wish the countries that currently have them greatly reduce them. But this is 70 year old technology.

Is testing missiles and nukes enough for us to declare war on a country?

If one country has nukes and missiles then all should. Seems fair right. But, how many are randomly shooting off missiles over other countries. I believe most other countries if not all have the decency to say we are testing nukes, we are going shoot a missile for testing, etc.

Testing is probably not enough to go to war. But again un is being careless. He is shooting off missiles left and right, to posture for his people. Is intervention neccesary? Un is crazy, Trump is crazy. I guess it just comes down to who is crazier
 
All kidding aside the real threat from NK is a nuke caused Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, EMP. One nuke would ruin us.




EMP: Is this the real threat?
Most analysts believe North Korea is not yet capable of a direct missile strike on the US mainland, but Kim Jong-un’s dogged determination to make this a reality is quite disconcerting.

Some experts believe that the more realistic threat at this point in time is an EMP attack. To make that happen, all North Korea has to do is launch a low-yield nuclear missile from a submarine, ship, or even by balloon and explode it at high altitude, above the atmosphere.

The potential result: a blackout of the Eastern grid that supplies 75% of power to the United States.

If an EMP attack did take place, it would be beyond anything we have seen before. The Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, which was established by Congress in 2001, estimates that within 12 months following a nationwide blackout, “up to 90% of the US population could perish from starvation, disease, and societal breakdown.”

Electronic Armageddon
In practical terms, a catastrophic blackout would be worst in cities, because it would instantly deprive the population of access to drinking water, refrigeration, heat, air conditioning, and telecommunication. Food stores would be looted within a matter of days, and gas stations would cease to function without electricity.

Without Internet access and power, all commerce and advanced methods of communication would stop. There would be no TV, radio, phones. Credit card transactions and cash withdrawals at banks would be impossible. Paper money would become worthless, and Bitcoin would cease to exist, along with the stock market.

Newt Gingrich, speaking at the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources earlier this month, said an EMP attack “would send us back to the 18thcentury.”

But that’s not the only problem. If no outside help arrives, within days, chaos begins to reign. Civilization is a rather thin veneer that humans have acquired over centuries, a mask covering our hard-wired survival instincts. Once the mask slips, it could mean the end of the world as we know it.

We are Ill-Prepared For An EMP Attack
US politicians and major utilities have kicked the can down the road when it comes to EMP preparation. Edison Electric estimates that shielding transformers for the US grid system could cost $20 billion.

Granted, American power companies have been studying ways to protect our electronic grids against attack, but tangible results are slow in coming.

The only current option after an EMP attack would be to replace damaged or destroyed transformers. However, says Scott Aaronson, managing director for Cyber and Infrastructure Security at Edison Electric, replacements for those transformers must be procured from foreign suppliers, which could take up to 18 months.

Peter Vincent Pry, leader of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, believes North Korea is closer to launching an EMP attack than many analysts believe. He wants Congress to work harder and cut the red tape to allow the innovation necessary to mitigate the threat.

In Pry’s opinion, an EMP attack would ultimately kill more Americans than a direct nuclear blast could. His book, The Long Sunday, describes several plausible EMP attack scenarios.

Pry thinks that “the first nation to use nuclear weapons today—even a rogue state like North Korea or Iran—will immediately become the most feared and credible nuclear power in the world, a formidable force to be reckoned with, and perhaps the dominant actor in a new world order.”

Is there a sensible way to prepare for an EMP attack?

Maybe not, but stocking some food, water, fuel, and batteries for emergencies is always a good idea—as well as owning a stash of gold coins as hard assets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korean-emp-attack-the-dark-possibility-2017-7

Reading a little about this, it isn't clear whether it's a clear and present danger or not. Strategically, maybe it doesn't make sense to try an EMP attack, because you are going to get nuked back whether you detonate in the air or on the ground - don't you want to actually kill a few Americans before you are wiped out, rather than just destroy our computers? Maybe an EMP attack leads to breakdown of our civilization, maybe it doesn't. Nuking NYC and DC seems like a better bet to me.

Would be interested in hearing from any local defense experts (@BrianFromWA ?) with a more informed view than mine.

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