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Rick2583

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It's been reported that prior to signed Beltran the Yankees offered Reds right fielder Shinn soo choo a 7 year contract valued at 140M. Wait for it.............he turned it down. 20M a year for a player who over the last 2 FULL seasons had the following #s............

2012 16 HRs, 67 RBI & a BA of 283
2013 21 HRs, 54 RBI & a BA of 285

Where do I start? Just hearing that the Yankees thought this type of production warrented a 20M per year contract had desperation written all over it. This is one of those deals that I'm glad didn't happen. Unbelievable.
 
And then you consider that the guy can't touch lefties, much worse than Granderson, Choo is a borderline platoon player he's so bad against LH, he may get on base, but a walk is not as good as a hit, so you have to wonder what the Yankees were thinking with that offer, and what Choo was thinking turning it down, I really doubt he gets more.
 
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And then you consider that the guy can't touch lefties, much worse than Granderson, Choo is a borderline platoon player he's so bad against LH, he may get on base, but a walk is not as good as a hit, so you have to wonder what the Yankees were thinking with that offer, and what Choo was thinking turning it down, I really doubt he gets more.
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I'll be surprised if he gets anything near 15M in which case he should fire his agent for turning down the Yankee offer.
 
Smh that we are willing to pay 20 million to this guy for 7 years...

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Rick2583 said:
It's been reported that prior to signed Beltran the Yankees offered Reds right fielder Shinn soo choo a 7 year contract valued at 140M. Wait for it.............he turned it down. 20M a year for a player who over the last 2 FULL seasons had the following #s............

2012 16 HRs, 67 RBI & a BA of 283
2013 21 HRs, 54 RBI & a BA of 285

Where do I start? Just hearing that the Yankees thought this type of production warrented a 20M per year contract had desperation written all over it. This is one of those deals that I'm glad didn't happen. Unbelievable.
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I'm glad he turned it down... that would have been pavano bad....
 
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Yeah, if I was a middling 30+ lefty hitter, I'm not sure I'd turn down 140M guaranteed to hit in Yankee Stadium. Good luck to Choo, but as a Mariners fan I hope he's outhit by Brendan Ryan this year.

And Good Job to Scott Boras, getting his client 130M.
 
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All I've gotta say is...........................................HOLY SHIT!

He can't hit lefties, 215 on the year. And away from his hitters friendly home park he hit 251.
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Rick, it makes no sense, he a nice player but not worth 20 million. I guess what they say is true, there is so much money in baseball right now and his OBP gives Fielder someone to drive in.
 
why'd he turn down a 7 year $140M deal and take a 7 year $130M deal?
 
10 million saved in taxes he would have to pay. (Approximately) as the great state of Texas has no income taxes

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...Choo is not a NY or NYC resident.

...there are ways around the tax issue.
 
I am an accountant...ask Derek Jeter about his residency status...there was a big thing in the paper of him trying to pass off being a Florida res when new York slammed him. Even still as a non res earning half his income in the state of NY he still would pay nonresident taxes for the time spent in ny.

184 non consecutive days while maintaining an abode makes you a reaident

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...well, my wife is a CPA, so what?

...one more time, Choo is not a resident and does not "maintain an abode" in NYC. As far as Jeter, he has every right to claim Florida as his legal residence because, well, he IS. You might want to check on his house in St Pete, which is his primary residence.

...and any "non resident" tax Choo might have to pay would be dwarfed by the "$18 Mil" difference in his contract the Yanx would have had to pay above the $130 Mil Texas paid him. What this boils down to is that tax considerations were not the only factors in his decision to sign with the Rangers instead.

...like I said, there are ways to pays less taxes than usual...we all pretty much do it because, well, it's the "American way". Why should high dollar athletes be lambasted for using perfectly legal "loop holes" just as we do? Who the hell wants to pay any more tax than they actually have to?
 
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Wow you love picking fights. Lets review...Mr Choo if proven to be a resident... would pay roughly 6 to 7% in income taxes. Ask the CPA on all his world wide income. Mr jeter building s mansion does not automatically = residency. No where did i say his choice to go to Texas was due solely on taxes.

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...lol...how the hell am I "picking a fight"?...you're the one who interjected "I'm an accountant", which is irrelevant, not me...and you're the one who brought up Jeter, which also is irrelevant, not me. I simply countered your irrelevancies with another view and from that, you extrapolate me picking a fight?...seriously? So when someone disgrees with you, they are picking a fight?...yeah, I must be bullying you. (rolls eyes)
...you also now claim that you "never said his choice to go to Texas was due solely on taxes"...but when asked why he signed with Texas instead, it was certainly the ONLY reason you presented. Let us review, you replied by saying "10 million saved in taxes he would have to pay. (Approximately) as the great state of Texas has no income taxes "

...sorry, to break it to you, but Jeter's primary residence IS in Florida...and Choo is not a NY resident and likely would never have been even if he had signed with the Yanx. If you can refute these points with something actual and tangible, I'm all ears.
 
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Go check the news..Google jeter vs Nys. He settled with nys for an undisclosed amount. See him selling (trying to sell his NYC trump tower condo) why..because it could make him a nyc reaident. Again the law us 184 days spent in ny. Hard to refute when you own and live at least 81 days in nyc not to mention off days and days before and after the season.

And by me saying something about the tax code that must mean that is the only reason...god forbid I keep my retorts to short verses when I'm using my phone to chime in with an opinion. Lately you can't have ANY opinion outside of yours that could possibly be correct. Maybe Choo prefers a warmer climate...maybe Texas is slower pace than nyc. Perhaps his family didn't want to come. Maybe he saw a better fit for his talent. Maybe he thinks they are closer to winning a championship. ..it could be many reasons...I suggested 1 reason.

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NY State tax auditors are laser focused on sport stars, Hollywood and media folks. As I understand it, the players for the opposition team get a tax bill for every 3/4 game series in the Bronx. All the AM talk radio hosts talk regularly about tax bills when they have to host a show from the NY radio HQs. And I know attorneys that get hit with bills just for running depo's in NY.

Uberlib regime states like NY, CA and now NJ, CT, MA and MD continually perfect extracting cash from their subjects.
 
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NY State tax auditors are laser focused on sport stars, Hollywood and media folks. As I understand it, the players for the opposition team get a tax bill for every 3/4 game series in the Bronx. All the AM talk radio hosts talk regularly about tax bills when they have to host a show from the NY radio HQs. And I know attorneys that get hit with bills just for running depo's in NY.

Uberlib regime states like NY, CA and now NJ, CT, MA and MD continually perfect extracting cash from their subjects.
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If you earn/work in the state of New York you will pay tax. Note if you are a resident you pay tax on all income whether earned in ny or outside ny. You do get credit for taxes paid to non res states.

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Great comeback. So you don't want to argue when your wrong.

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...lol..."Wow you love picking fights."...sound familiar?

..."let's review"

...1. you began this by pointing to NY taxes as a reason Choo turned down the Yanx.

...2. I replied that "there are ways around the tax issue."

...3. You have failed to disprove that simple fact.....but you claim that I am "wrong"?
 
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59, rather than focus on the tax semantics, I think its fair to say that $10M over 7 years is smaller than the difference between GROSS and NET earnings when
comparing playing in NY vs Texas. Now I think its also fair to argue that playing in the media capital of the world, and given his ethnicity, his total NET earnings in NY would be much higher. So the money issue was likely a wash. Maybe he likes warmer weather. Maybe he likes owning guns and having more than 7 seven rounds available to protect is family. Maybe he prefers TexMex and BBQ cuisine. There are many things a person considers when planning the next 7 years of your life.
 
^^^...yeah, I think I read that Boras actually said that the difference would be about $18 Mil but whatever...I guess he was using a worst case scenario as far as taxes...but C could easily hire a tax attorney to reduce that amount through perfectly legal tax loop holes...like I said earlier, we all pretty much do it because again, who the hell wants to pay any more tax than they absolutely have to?
 
...and oh, speaking of guns, I tried for 2 days in both Florida and Georgia to find 22 magnum ammunition for a rifle I bought my Son. Every store I called said the same thing, which was they were all out, supposedly out of that caliber and many others because purposely bought up MILLIONS of dollars in ammo in order to hopefully keep as much ammo out of our hands.
...can't regulate the guns/rifles to their liking?...simple solution; buy up the ammo.


...this really pisses me off...and as soon as it becomes available again I'll stockpile some myself.
 
Right. Some guys are attracted to bright lights and big city vibe. I'm sure Ellsbury has visions of DiMaggio/Mantle dancing in his head. I'm happy with anything north of Bernie Williams. But Choo has no experience with a key rivalry, big city, etc. He likely used the Yanks as leverage to secure a deal with a middle market team. As said before, glad that fish got away, lefties make sushi out of him. Just waiting for the article titled, "this time Kevin Long means it, he can fix the vs. Lefties issue".
 
...yup, and I also noticed his numbers at Saefco have not be good at all and his home/road splits also leave a lot to be desired.
 
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