Notice Not getting better! Images of America today

[BonesJones]

Aw come on Jones. Spit it out!
Is it racist that black people were caught on camera doing this shit. Or is it racist that no white people were caught in the recent events?
I noticed, is that racist?

You wouldn't say "White people dancing on a police car".

 

[BonesJones]

Closet racists when blacks vandalize: "Look at those black people destroying the city. Those blacks are vandalizing public property!.... How can I be racist? I'm just taking note of what's happening"
Closet racists when whites vandalize: "Those people are destroying the city and vandalizing public property."

When it's the minority group committing a negative act, some people will make sure to address the fact that it is indeed that minority group causing the destruction, and make race a factor by associating it negatively. When it's a majority group committing a negative act, they don't focus on race at all.

 

[MarAzul]

You wouldn't say "White people dancing on a police car".

I don't know why not, except for I haven't seen any. No pictures of it in recent events either.
But on second thought you might be right, I might not say white people. I probably would reference them as fools dancing on the police car.

 

[MarAzul]

Closet racists when blacks vandalize: "Look at those black people destroying the city. Those blacks are vandalizing public property!.... How can I be racist? I'm just taking note of what's happening"
Closet racists when whites vandalize: "Those people are destroying the city and vandalizing public property."

When it's the minority group committing a negative act, some people will make sure to address the fact that it is indeed that minority group causing the destruction, and make race a factor by associating it negatively. When it's a majority group committing a negative act, they don't focus on race at all.

Well you know, the picture of today, show the America of today. And quite frankly, I don't know what improves it.

 

[theprunetang]

Well you know, the picture of today, show the America of today. And quite frankly, I don't know what improves it.

And who shows you the pictures of today? You think the people who show you those photos show every photo they take? Do the people bringing the photos to you have an agenda?

 

[MarAzul]

Its this kind of racist shit thats fucking up our country

Do you really think blaming me for posting these pictures is fucking up our country? Well I did think we should discuss it but I don't think you are.
I don't know what gets improved by dancing on police cars. Jones want pictures of white people dancing on polices cars. I suppose there aren't any because all those fools are already in the slammer.

 

[theprunetang]

 

[MarAzul]

And who shows you the pictures of today? You think the people who show you those photos show every photo they take? Do the people bringing the photos to you have an agenda?

Just found on the internet and the news on TV. Does the media have and agenda? Yeah, I often think they do, but I don't think it is what you are suggesting.
I am sort of more interested in what it would take to not see this sort of thing, period. I don't think any of this activity will get us there either.

 

[MarAzul]

Its this kind of racist shit thats fucking up our country and it shouldnt be allowed in this forum.

Well bitch to Sly! Perhaps you can get him to bann me.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't know why not, except for I haven't seen any. No pictures of it in recent events either.
But on second thought you might be right, I might not say white people. I probably would reference them as fools dancing on the police car.

Exactly my point. You bring up race in association with negativity only when it's in reference to blacks.

 

[theprunetang]

I just find it interesting that the same people who say that "both sides were in the wrong and had bad people" during the Charlottesville Nazi march, are the same people who only point out black people doing bad things during disasters and such. Where is that equal disdain now?

 

[theprunetang]

I just find it interesting that the same people who say that "both sides were in the wrong and had bad people" during the Charlottesville Nazi march, are the same people who only point out black people doing bad things during disasters and such. Where is that equal disdain now?

That right there is literal proof of racist behavior.

 

[MarAzul]

Exactly my point. You bring up race in association with negativity only when it's in reference to blacks.

You might have a point, except there isn't any pictures to compare. You know they don't cut the white fools any slack, they are hustled off pronto as should happen.
Well I might have to back water there abit, it seems Portland has been rather slow and lax lately.

 

[MarAzul]

the same people who only point out black people doing bad things during disasters and such.

Where is that equal disdain now?

Well gee, I don't see any white fools dancing on the police cars.

That right there is literal proof of racist behavior.

I know you have better insight than me, so I must admit again, you lost me. I see no proof of anything.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Your right about one thing...things arent getting better

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The first guy isn't a white supremacist, he was attacked by antifa. Hit with a pole or stick. I posted the video here.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It is hilarious to me that we can't discuss race when we talk about this stuff. White people commit millions of crimes every year from speeding to killing children.

So do black people. Now, where it gets interesting is the types of crimes people commit based on stereotypes.

I'm a pretty damn good guesser when I watch the news. There was a child molester arrested for attacking a little girl in a park and I was like "fucking white guy!!!!"

Wrong, old black guy. So I'm not always right.

 

[MarAzul]

It is hilarious to me that we can't discuss race when we talk about this stuff

I am not so sure we, conservatives and progressives even have a common language. Hilarious is a word you could differ on here, for example.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well bitch to Sly! Perhaps you can get him to bann me.

We don't ban democrats here, not even closet ones.

 

[MarAzul]

Exactly my point. You bring up race in association with negativity only when it's in reference to blacks.

I see your point. However, I don't think you see mine. Only Black people doing it!!!!! The there is the implied question. WHY???? How can this improve the system????

Then there is the underlying failure to communicate. I don't much give a shit about the feeling of the situation. I want to find some logic in what is going down or how do we get to a logical solution. And I know about half will not give a shit.

 

[MarAzul]

We don't ban democrats here, not even closet ones.

Ha! Well golly that is nice to hear. I hope you don't need to rely on your character typing skill though. But if you do, I can give you a hand.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I see your point. However, I don't think you see mine. Only Black people doing it!!!!! The there is the implied question. WHY???? How can this improve the system????

Then there is the underlying failure to communicate. I don't much give a shit about the feeling of the situation. I want to find some logic in what is going down or how do we get to a logical solution. And I know about half will not give a shit.

Antifa isn't only black people. They're doing bad stuff too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Black people dancing on a police car in protest after a trial by a jury fails to convict a cop for doing his job.
How can we improve on a system of trial by a jury of your peers?

That's not what happened.

Taking a moment to read about the case makes it easier to understand why people are so pissed off. Understanding why people are pissed does not mean I support their more extreme actions.

I don't believe this cop was doing his job.

There are many embarrassing parts of this verdict. Let’s start, though, with the particularly shameful portion that seeks to vindicate Stockley for this audio-recorded statement of apparent premeditation. During his own testimony, Stockley stated that he couldn’t remember making the “we’re killing this motherfucker” remark, but justified it by saying that “during a vehicle pursuit, there are many things that are said.” He added that “it’s hard for me to elaborate even what the context was, because I don’t even know.”

This dissembling answer was apparently enough for the judge to discount this clear statement of intent. Here’s what Wilson wrote:

People say all kinds of things in the heat of the moment or while in stressful situations, and whether Stockley’s statement that “we’re killing this motherfucker,” which can be ambiguous depending on the context, constituted a real threat of action or was a means of releasing tension has to be judged by his subsequent conduct. The court does not believe Stockley’s conduct immediately following the end of the pursuit is consistent with the conduct of a person intentionally killing another person unlawfully.
Stockley’s conduct immediately after making that statement was to instruct his partner to ram Smith’s vehicle, approach Smith's car, and almost immediately fire five shots into Smith’s body, including one that forensic analysts described as a “kill shot” likely fired within six inches of Smith. In his ruling, Wilson characterized this as a long period of time and accepted as fact the defense's argument that all five shots were fired at once (the prosecution argued that a final "kill shot" was fired a bit after the first four):

It was not until fifteen seconds after Stockley arrived at the driver’s side door, that he unholstered his service revolver and fired several shots in succession.
As damning as it was, Stockley’s statement was not the only piece of evidence against him. Prosecutors alleged that he planted a gun that was found in Smith’s car. The evidence for this is that his DNA was found on the gun while Smith’s was not, he can be seen rifling through a bag in his police vehicle after the shooting, and he was seen returning to search Smith’s car before the gun appeared to him. Stockley testified that his partner warned him that Smith—who had twice rammed the police vehicle and clipped Stockley with his car as he fled when the officers first approached him after what they suspected was a drug buy—had a gun. In his ruling, Judge Wilson took this testimony by the defendant as fact:

Stockley had been warned by [his partner Brian] Bianchi that Smith had a gun.
One of Stockley’s fellow officers at the time who arrived on the scene immediately after the shooting, Elijah Simpson, had testified that he didn’t see a gun in the vehicle when he lifted up the airbag and looked in the car. Simpson also testified that it was strange that Stockley was allowed to go back and forth between his own car and the scene of the shooting, and that Stockley was the only officer to remove his gloves during evidence gathering. (This was how Stockley's defense team says the gun was contaminated with his DNA. The prosecution says he removed the gloves on purpose to have that excuse.) This testimony from a fellow officer was not enough for Wilson, because Simpson didn’t directly see Stockley actually physically plant the gun:

There were several officers standing around adjacent to the driver’s side of the Buick and not one of them was called to testify that they saw Stockley plant a gun in the Buick.
Stockley testified that he had actually gone into the bag in his vehicle to get QuikClot wound dressing from the car and administer it to Smith, but decided against it because “it was futile.” Simpson testified that no one attempted to help Smith even though “he appeared alive.”

Wilson brushes all this off by saying that no extra gun can be seen on Stockley’s person in the blurry cellphone camera footage of the incident that was the main relevant video evidence remaining after one of the officers involved turned off the police vehicle’s dashboard camera. From Wilson:

Stockley was not wearing a jacket; if he had such a gun in his possession it would have been visible on the cell phone video. The gun was too large to fit entirely within any of the pockets on the pants he was wearing, there was no bulge in any pocket indicating a gun within the pocket, and the gun would have been visible if it was tucked into his belt.
It’s inconceivable to Wilson that the gun was not visible in the limited available cellphone footage, or hidden elsewhere on Stockley’s person than one of the places he enumerates.

Finally, Wilson says that he cannot think of a motive Stockley might have had to “kill this motherfucker,” even though Smith had just clipped Stockley with his car. (Stockley was carrying a personal AK-47 at the time, a violation of department policies.)

These are not the only examples of Judge Wilson bending over backward to find validation for Stockley’s threatening words and repeated violations of department procedure in this killing of a man who another officer had found appearing to be unarmed. But they are the most egregious.

If there is one new lesson in this whole tragic episode, it’s this little bit of insight into the flawed logic, acceptance of hearsay as fact, and ugly ex post facto justifications that go into exonerating white men in uniform when there’s evidence that they have assassinated black motorists.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ng_jason_stockley_of_murder_are_pathetic.html​

 

[MarAzul]

Antifa isn't only black people. They're doing bad stuff too.

That's true.
But they were not identified looting and I don't think dancing on cop cars is their thing either. No pics anyway.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

WHY???? How can this improve the system????

Here is a good starting point to what you are asking about:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

 

[MarAzul]

Here is a good starting point to what you are asking about:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

This is bull shit Sly. These problems did not begin with Trump. You know better than that!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's true.
But they were not identified looting and I don't think dancing on cop cars is their thing either. No pics and way.

No, I get it. They'd rather throw urine filled balloons or bags or God knows what at cops.

 

[BonesJones]

I see your point. However, I don't think you see mine. Only Black people doing it!!!!! The there is the implied question. WHY???? How can this improve the system????

Then there is the underlying failure to communicate. I don't much give a shit about the feeling of the situation. I want to find some logic in what is going down or how do we get to a logical solution. And I know about half will not give a shit.

ONLY black people doing what, exactly?

 

[BonesJones]

ONLY black people doing what, exactly?

Because whatever you say I could show you a white person who does the same thing.

Race isn't a factor in decision making.

 

[MARIS61]

That looting picture is from hurricane Odile and look white people

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Those are clearly the business owners and their family and friends cleaning up the mess after the storm.

 

[MARIS61]

White people destroy police cars too

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Those are not white people.