Not gonna win many hearts and minds with moves like this...

[Natebishop3]

[video=youtube;hOYhkXrRAdc]

I guess I don't understand why she walked off. If the topic was, as Piers said, in her book... I guess what I don't like about the tea party is that a lot of the women have this "stepford wife" feel about them. I guess that's why I haven't associated with a party in years... I don't feel like any of them actually represent my beliefs.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

... I guess what I don't like about the tea party is that a lot of the women have this "stepford wife" feel about them.

Gee, that's what I do like about the tea Party.

 

[julius]

I think the fact she's a bit of a whack job is a bigger reason why she won't win many hearts and minds. this is just a symptom of it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think the fact she's a bit of a whack job is a bigger reason why she won't win many hearts and minds. this is just a symptom of it.

A lot like Palin.

 

[Natebishop3]

A lot like Palin.

It's not just the Tea partiers though... I'm sick and tired of the polished politician look. Just for once I'd love for one of these guys to be like... "yeah, I said that. That's how I feel. No apologies."

 

[julius]

It's not just the Tea partiers though... I'm sick and tired of the polished politician look. Just for once I'd love for one of these guys to be like... "yeah, I said that. That's how I feel. No apologies."

Or at least say it and not cow-tow to the pressure from the "leaders" in their party/movement.

 

[Natebishop3]

Or at least say it and not cow-tow to the pressure from the "leaders" in their party/movement.

I guess what annoys me is how these people claim to be constitutionalists, yet they try to push an agenda on issues like gay marriage or abortion. A true anti-federalist, small government, democratic republican would never support the government getting involved in who can or can't marry.

 

[julius]

I guess what annoys me is how these people claim to be constitutionalists, yet they try to push an agenda on issues like gay marriage or abortion. A true anti-federalist, small government, democratic republican would never support the government getting involved in who can or can't marry.

They don't expect people to know what constitutionalists means, and will just see the word and think "oooh, smart person!"

I think its like they are handed a big book of political backgrounds, and pick the one they think sounds the most important. Then they can just spew whatever the hell they want, even if it is contrary to what they claim they are, because they know people want to belong to something and the more important it sounds the better they feel.

Such as, would you rather belong a group that says "constitutionalists" group, or a "we like dictating what you think, do and believe" group?

Even if you don't know what the first one means, it sounds more legit then the second. Politicians use labels all the time to build a reputation/name, even if it doesn't fit what they believe OR what they say doesn't jibe with what they claim they are.


PLUS, the media never questions what someone says, so if you claim you're in the constitutionalists party, it's not like they'd as "so, what does that mean?" or "what are some of your favorite constitutional issues". And the few times they do, they're branded as a "gotcha media" or "lame stream media" out to make Sarah Palin look bad.

 

[maxiep]

She's a fucking whackjob. Why are we giving her the time of day?

 

[Natebishop3]

She's a fucking whackjob. Why are we giving her the time of day?

Because unfortunately Maxie, she is out there representing your party, whether you like it or not.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Because unfortunately Maxie, she is out there representing your party, whether you like it or not.

Maxiep is not a witch!

 

[maxiep]

Because unfortunately Maxie, she is out there representing your party, whether you like it or not.

Which party would that be? I'm not a Republican. And if she claims to be a Tea Party leader, I can assure you that no one who claims to be a leader actually is.

Those who like to mock advocates of limited government love people like Christine O'Donnell, because she confirms their bias that you have to be stupid if you disagree with them. Let them talk to Victor Davis Hanson, Tyler Cowen or Glenn Reynolds instead. If they wish to pick a politician, then they can talk to Thad McCotter or Paul Ryan, but that doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[Natebishop3]

Which party would that be? I'm not a Republican. And if she claims to be a Tea Party leader, I can assure you that no one who claims to be a leader actually is.

Those who like to mock advocates of limited government love people like Christine O'Donnell, because she confirms their bias that you have to be stupid if you disagree with them. Let them talk to Victor Davis Hanson, Tyler Cowen or Glenn Reynolds instead. If they wish to pick a politician, then they can talk to Thad McCotter or Paul Ryan, but that doesn't fit their narrative.

But who cares if it's true or not? If she's out there saying she's part of the Tea Party, guess what, she's representing you. Maybe it would be a good idea to organize so you don't have so many nutjobs representing you in the future? Right now anyone can say they're from the Tea Party, spout some religious right bullshit and damage your image further.

 

[maxiep]

But who cares if it's true or not? If she's out there saying she's part of the Tea Party, guess what, she's representing you. Maybe it would be a good idea to organize so you don't have so many nutjobs representing you in the future? Right now anyone can say they're from the Tea Party, spout some religious right bullshit and damage your image further.

That's a silly argument for the weak minded, along the lines "if you repeat a big lie enough, it becomes true". I'm sorry you take such a dim view of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry.

As for organizing, it's not what we're about. True grassroots enterprises are messy, with all kinds of clingers. Why don't you blame the media for promoting all sorts of false idols?

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a silly argument for the weak minded, along the lines "if you repeat a big lie enough, it becomes true". I'm sorry you take such a dim view of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry.

As for organizing, it's not what we're about. True grassroots enterprises are messy, with all kinds of clingers. Why don't you blame the media for promoting all sorts of false idols?

I have an extremely low opinion of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry. They believe whatever the media tells them. Need proof? I'd bet you that 8 out of 10 liberals think it was Sarah Palin who said she could see Russia from her porch when in fact it was Tina Fey in an SNL skit playing Palin. People believe whatever they're told and they don't question anything. I can point to this again and again with pretty much anything.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's a silly argument for the weak minded, along the lines "if you repeat a big lie enough, it becomes true". I'm sorry you take such a dim view of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry.

As for organizing, it's not what we're about. True grassroots enterprises are messy, with all kinds of clingers. Why don't you blame the media for promoting all sorts of false idols?

LOL! I love it! They're only part of the Tea Party win they win elections. If they lose they were just some "clinger" who claimed to be part of the tea party.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Tea Party Backs O’Donnell in Delaware


Delaware tea party candidate Christine O’Donnell got a major boost today in her long-shot campaign to take the Republican Senate nomination from under the nose of Rep. Mike Castle, who is considered the overwhelming favorite. The Tea Party Express announced it would spend as much as $600,000 ahead of Delaware’s Sept. 14 primary on her behalf.

http://www.webcitation.org/5u8rtEaNf

 

[maxiep]

LOL! I love it! They're only part of the Tea Party win they win elections. If they lose they were just some "clinger" who claimed to be part of the tea party.

Oh, SPD, bless your heart. Christine O'Donnell may hold Tea Party positions, but not everything she says has to do with the Tea Party. As for your link saying "so-and-so" endorsed her, when are you going to realize we're not a formal organization? We're a loose confederation. The most someone who courts the Tea Party vote can expect is turnout for people who share their views.

 

[maxiep]

I have an extremely low opinion of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry. They believe whatever the media tells them. Need proof? I'd bet you that 8 out of 10 liberals think it was Sarah Palin who said she could see Russia from her porch when in fact it was Tina Fey in an SNL skit playing Palin. People believe whatever they're told and they don't question anything. I can point to this again and again with pretty much anything.

Golly, you're so smart and superior to the stupid, knuckledragging citizenry. I bow to your towering intellect and only ask that you tell me what I should think next.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh, SPD, bless your heart. Christine O'Donnell may hold Tea Party positions, but not everything she says has to do with the Tea Party. As for your link saying "so-and-so" endorsed her, when are you going to realize we're not a formal organization? We're a loose confederation. The most someone who courts the Tea Party vote can expect is turnout for people who share their views.

The link I posted was from the WSJ. I would trust the WSJ more than most news organizations when it comes to reporting on the Tea Party.

Also they didn't just endorse her they gave her campaign money which would require a formal level of organization and operation.

Does the Tea Party Express represent all people with Tea Party beliefs? No but they are an organization representing people with Tea Party beliefs that collects money and gives to candidates that represents Tea Party beliefs. That seems more than just a loose confederation.

 

[maxiep]

The link I posted was from the WSJ. I would trust the WSJ more than most news organizations when it comes to reporting on the Tea Party.

Also they didn't just endorse her they gave her campaign money which would require a formal level of organization and operation.

Does the Tea Party Express represent all people with Tea Party beliefs? No but they are an organization representing people with Tea Party beliefs that collects money and gives to candidates that represents Tea Party beliefs. That seems more than just a loose confederation.

Again, there are all sorts of political operatives trying to co-opt the Tea Party. The TPE is Dick Fucking Armey. A hallmark of the movement is that there's no formal organization.

Of course any media outlet will prefer to be able to identify a "leader"; it makes their job easier.

 

[julius]

Golly, you're so smart and superior to the stupid, knuckledragging citizenry. I bow to your towering intellect and only ask that you tell me what I should think next.

Your keen powers of observation are impressive. You should be applauded for gracing us with your ability to see through the fog and have a crystal clear view on what everyone says.


See how easy it is to be a pompous blow-hard? Just don't wonder why people think SlyPokerDog is a pompous blowhard.

 

[maxiep]

Your keen powers of observation are impressive. You should be applauded for gracing us with your ability to see through the fog and have a crystal clear view on what everyone says.


See how easy it is to be a pompous blow-hard? Just don't wonder why people think SlyPokerDog is a pompous blowhard.

I wasn't the one claiming that the citizenry is stupid. You should get your facts straight.

 

[julius]

I wasn't the one claiming that the citizenry is stupid. You should get your facts straight.

I'm fully aware of who said what. But your response was that of a petulant little brat who instead of addressing what he said, had to pull the "oh now you're saying you're better then us!?" because they have a different view of the voting public.

Maybe Nate thinks he's better, but he's pretty much on the ball (imho) about the voting public. We're in a sea of simpletons who like to hear people repeat what they agree with, don't always understand what they're hearing but like to sound like they do, and vote pretty much party line most of the time.

Because maybe YOU don't, doesn't mean what Nate said is wrong, or that you needed to defend the honor of people. He's talking as much about conservatives and tea partiers as he is about liberals.

 

[mook]

I have an extremely low opinion of the intellectual capacity of the citizenry. They believe whatever the media tells them. Need proof? I'd bet you that 8 out of 10 liberals think it was Sarah Palin who said she could see Russia from her porch when in fact it was Tina Fey in an SNL skit playing Palin. People believe whatever they're told and they don't question anything. I can point to this again and again with pretty much anything.

It's true that Palin never used the word "porch." She did say you can see Russia from Alaska:

I thought it was kind of a dumb point for her to make, but I also thought it was way overblown. Sort of off-the-cuff thing you don't really think that hard about, but sounds kind of weird and "resume padding" when interpreted out of context.

I think it became a symbol for her much the same way Al Gore was completely misquoted in saying he "invented the internet." He never made any such claim, but there's a stuffy, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory air about Gore that makes the line feel "truthy" even if not the truth.

Palin seemed in over her head in the 2008 campaign, but scrambling incoherently to prove she wasn't. Fey's line about seeing Russia from her porch just seemed to capture that idea.

 

[julius]

Your keen powers of observation are impressive. You should be applauded for gracing us with your ability to see through the fog and have a crystal clear view on what everyone says.


See how easy it is to be a pompous blow-hard? Just don't wonder why people think SlyPokerDog is a pompous blowhard.

as far as personal insults/attacks go, that was a pretty tame one to edit sly.

I was saying "it's easy to be an ass. just don't be upset when people call you an ass".

I didn't say it as "you = maxiep", but you in the universal sense.

 

[maxiep]

I'm fully aware of who said what. But your response was that of a petulant little brat who instead of addressing what he said, had to pull the "oh now you're saying you're better then us!?" because they have a different view of the voting public.

Maybe Nate thinks he's better, but he's pretty much on the ball (imho) about the voting public. We're in a sea of simpletons who like to hear people repeat what they agree with, don't always understand what they're hearing but like to sound like they do, and vote pretty much party line most of the time.

Because maybe YOU don't, doesn't mean what Nate said is wrong, or that you needed to defend the honor of people. He's talking as much about conservatives and tea partiers as he is about liberals.

I understood what Nate said. You're correct to point out that I was mocking him, because I can remember when I used to think the citizenry was "stupid". Life experience has taught me there is all kinds of intelligence, and the American people have common sense in spades. We can be fooled in the short term, but in the long term we generally do the right thing.

 

[maxiep]

as far as personal insults/attacks go, that was a pretty tame one to edit sly.

I was saying "it's easy to be an ass. just don't be upset when people call you an ass".

I didn't say it as "you = maxiep", but you in the universal sense.

Agreed. Sly, I would ask you to stop that silly name substitution when someone wants to say something to me. I'm not made of sugar. If someone wants to tell me to go fuck myself on this board, I have zero problem with it. Please re-edit julius' post to include my name.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

as far as personal insults/attacks go, that was a pretty tame one to edit sly.

I was saying "it's easy to be an ass. just don't be upset when people call you an ass".

I didn't say it as "you = maxiep", but you in the universal sense.

It was a judgement call. If I see "you're a ....." and it could be taken as a personal insult I edit it. It's pretty much the only rule we have in this forum.

That and I am a pompous blowhard.

 

[julius]

I understood what Nate said. You're correct to point out that I was mocking him, because I can remember when I used to think the citizenry was "stupid". Life experience has taught me there is all kinds of intelligence, and the American people have common sense in spades. We can be fooled in the short term, but in the long term we generally do the right thing.

I see what you're saying, and because I don't necessarily agree with my labeling of 'simpletons' (poor choice of words), I retract it (in the sense I'm leaving it in the post so it makes sense for other viewers, but point out I didn't mean it in the manner I said it).