Not one of McMuffin's better efforts tonight

[SodaPopinski]

1. Outlaw sucks. Stop giving him extensive minutes. We've got plenty of people who can score the ball, so I'd much rather see us sacrifice a little offense with Batum in Travis' place and get much better defense and rebounding on the floor. Ronnie FREAKIN Brewer was absolutely dominating Travis. As a side note, I've taken shits that were better basketball players than Ronnie Brewer.

2. When the other team is constantly doubling the post the second that player puts the ball on the floor, why not take advantage of their fronting and jumping the passing lanes and do a little drive and kick or run someone off of screens? For a long while, McMuffin reverted back to his Zach Hole offense of a few years ago where our point guard dribbles the ball for 14 seconds of the 24 second clock, throws it into the post and prays that something good happens.

3. If you are going to play Brandon Roy 43 minutes in the first game of a back-to-back, at least GIVE HIM THE FUCKING BALL IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. Yes, I know LaMarcus was hot, but let Brandon operate and get Utah in foul trouble or get some points in the paint. My stomach was turning with us having him out there and not having him touch the ball for eight straight possessions while Blake and Aldridge were playing hot potato on the other side of the floor.

4. When you are cutting into the other team's lead with less than 4 minutes in the game, but Deron Williams is absolutely ass-raping whoever you put on him, send a double-team at him to take the ball out of his hands (see: what Orlando did to Brandon Roy the other night at the end of the game). It was absolutely nauseating to watch us sit back on defense and let Williams dribble until there were 6 seconds on the shot clock, drive the ball into the lane and either make an easy shot or lay it off to a teammate for an equally easy shot. Memo to McMuffin: if the other team scores after you do every time, it's hard to cut into their lead.

Ugh.

-Pop

 

[PapaG]

1. Outlaw sucks. Stop giving him extensive minutes.
-Pop

Outlaw only received 14 minutes tonight. Not sure how that is "extensive", but since it was the first point in your long post, and it was wrong, I decided to stop reading it at that point.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Oh, and let me just make a little preemptive strike against the inevitable person who will respond with "Take it easy, Utah is a good team" thing. The Jazz have something lame like 4 or 5 wins against teams with records above .500. And two of those are against us. This is the same team that lost by 17 to New Jersey at home.

They are not good. We made them look good tonight.

-Pop

 

[dpc]

Outlaw only received 14 minutes tonight. Not sure how that is "extensive", but since it was the first point in your long post, and it was wrong, I decided to stop reading it at that point.

You made it that far? I quit reading after "Outlaw sucks"

 

[SodaPopinski]

Outlaw only received 14 minutes tonight. Not sure how that is "extensive", but since it was the first point in your long post, and it was wrong, I decided to stop reading it at that point.

He played extensive minutes in that pivotal point in the late first quarter into the second quarter when he was getting abused. And when Utah grew their lead by quite a bit. I'm sure Travis (+/-) stat from tonight was through the roof.

You're right. I should have worded that criticism more precisely, but there was no reason to keep Travis out there early when he was being dominated on the defensive end and not providing a lick of offense to make it worth it.

-Pop

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Outlaw only played 14 minutes because I'm pretty sure he injured himself when he landed on his shoulder in the third. He went out after that and I think he only came back for a few seconds.

 

[SodaPopinski]

You made it that far? I quit reading after "Outlaw sucks"

0 points, 0-4 from the floor, one turnover and three fouls in 14 minutes. You're right - he was a stud tonight.

-Pop

 

[dpc]

0 points, 0-4 from the floor, one turnover and three fouls in 14 minutes. You're right - he was a stud tonight.

-Pop

Did I say he was good tongiht? No. But you didn't say he "sucked tonight" either. You said he sucks. At that is just disrespectful, and stupid.

 

[PapaG]

0 points, 0-4 from the floor, one turnover and three fouls in 14 minutes. You're right - he was a stud tonight.

-Pop

5 rebounds and an assist. Forgot that in the rant I didn't read.

 

[illmatic99]

Oh, and let me just make a little preemptive strike against the inevitable person who will respond with "Take it easy, Utah is a good team" thing. The Jazz have something lame like 4 or 5 wins against teams with records above .500. And two of those are against us. This is the same team that lost by 17 to New Jersey at home.

They are not good. We made them look good tonight.

-Pop

I'm pretty sure it was 3. They beat Denver (without Melo), Portland (first time around), SA (without Manu or TP), and us again.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Outlaw only played 14 minutes because I'm pretty sure he injured himself when he landed on his shoulder in the third. He went out after that and I think he only came back for a few seconds.

Man, I hope he makes it back for tomorrow night. We're going to need someone out there to throw no-arc dart-shots at the backboard from 20 feet out after that predictable one dribble and fadeaway.

-Pop

 

[SodaPopinski]

5 rebounds and an assist. Forgot that in the rant I didn't read.

Definitely a stat line worthy of the time and money we've invested into the guy.

-Pop

 

[RayDavies]

Other than Roy and Aldridge, who did play well tonight for us?

I agree, Nate made some strange moves in this game... probably at least partially because we were getting no calls for the first 3 qs and he was visibly pissed.

I think the team deserves as much or more blame than Nate for this one.

But again, for the love of god, no more Rodriguez/Rudy/Travis/Frye/Przy. Pleeeeeease, Sarge, not unless we are up by 40.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Might I add our defense is garbage as well.

Our defense can be good, and for the most part it is. I think McMillan put together excellent defensive game plans against Miami, Chicago and New Orleans (at home) this year. Absolutely loved how we used Aldridge to shadow their point guard and take them out of their offense by forcing the ball out of their playmaker's hands and force them to use more clock. Tonight, we let Deron Williams pick us apart.

-Pop

 

[PapaG]

Definitely a stat line worthy of the time and money we've invested into the guy.

-Pop

Minimal money for what he brings in terms of production.

If you want people to read a rant that you obviously put time into writing, I would advise not opening it with a black/white blast toward a player who has been and is still productive.

I'm guessing you had some good points, but I'll never read them based on your own bias being shown in literally the first sentence.

 

[PapaG]

Other than Roy and Aldridge, who did play well tonight for us?

I agree, Nate made some strange moves in this game... probably at least partially because we were getting no calls for the first 3 qs and he was visibly pissed.
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Really? I just saw him sitting on the bench or standing there with his arms crossed.

Did I miss him getting a 'T' in protest of the crappy calls and non-calls his players were receiving?

 

[RoyToy]

I want Charles Barkley as the head coach.

 

[dpc]

I want Charles Barkley as the head coach.

That would be trbl

 

[RoyToy]

That was a trbl call ref. Trbl trbl trbl.

Seriously, hire Charles Barkley.

 

[ehizzy3]

McMuffin? really? turrrrble

 

[bodyman5001]

I want Charles Barkley as the head coach.

That would be AWESOME. Even fat Barkley played with fire in his belly, and sammiches. (sandwiches)

 

[RayDavies]

Really? I just saw him sitting on the bench or standing there with his arms crossed.

Did I miss him getting a 'T' in protest of the crappy calls and non-calls his players were receiving?

Holy cow, you didn't see him bitching the entire first half? He was begging for a 't', and I was hoping they would give him one, if only to get guys angry.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Minimal money for what he brings in terms of production.

If you want people to read a rant that you obviously put time into writing, I would advise not opening it with a black/white blast toward a player who has been and is still productive.

I'm guessing you had some good points, but I'll never read them based on your own bias being shown in literally the first sentence.

Outlaw has the lowest net of any player on the team. When he's in the game, we are outscored by an average of 9 points per game. There are only 21 players in the entire league who have a worse impact on their team.

Don't tell me he's productive with a stat like that.

-Pop

 

[PapaG]

Outlaw has the lowest net of any player on the team. When he's in the game, we are outscored by an average of 9 points per game. There are only 21 players in the entire league who have a worse impact on their team.

Don't tell me he's productive with a stat like that.

-Pop

So why didn't you just start yet another thread about Outlaw? Nate didn't play him "extensive" minutes tonight, as you opened your monologue by stating.

 

[SodaPopinski]

So why didn't you just start yet another thread about Outlaw? Nate didn't play him "extensive" minutes tonight, as you opened your monologue by stating.

So are you going to address the real point of my post - that Travis isn't worth the minutes he's being played - or are you going to play semantics because it suits your opinion better?

-Pop

 

[PapaG]

So are you going to address the real point of my post - that Travis isn't worth the minutes he's being played - or are you going to play semantics because it suits your opinion better?

-Pop

Your thread says "Not one of McMuffin's better efforts tonight."

You then open it by wondering when Nate will stop playing Outlaw "extensive" minutes. Only problem? Outlaw didn't play "extensive" minutes, and the team could not score in the 4th quarter with Roy being doubled.

I thought it was a silly way to start your rather long point, that's all. I mean, if you are that off in the first sentence, why should I bother to read, let alone comment on, the rest of your post?

 

[bigbailes]

no the problem soda is that papag has no real argument or solution, so he'll sit here and have a pissing match with you over the way you worded your first point.

to the first point, travis has been clutch in the past and maybe he needs to get some starters minutes because the guy has no clue with the second unit. the minute he touches the ball all movement stops and it becomes travis one on one. at least in the first unit he could stand at the 3-point line and hoist up those. i'll give him credit for this though, he's added the necessary six inches to his shot from last season. nothing pissed me off more than watching him chuck up shots with his heels on the 3 point line.

 

[PapaG]

no the problem soda is that papag has no real argument or solution, so he'll sit here and have a pissing match with you over the way you worded your first point.

to the first point, travis has been clutch in the past and maybe he needs to get some starters minutes because the guy has no clue with the second unit. the minute he touches the ball all movement stops and it becomes travis one on one. at least in the first unit he could stand at the 3-point line and hoist up those. i'll give him credit for this though, he's added the necessary six inches to his shot from last season. nothing pissed me off more than watching him chuck up shots with his heels on the 3 point line.

I offered "arguments" and "solutions" to the only part of the post that I read.

You know, the part that you only commented on as well.

So here we are in yet another "Outlaw Sucks" thread.

 

[ehizzy3]

outlaw doesnt "suck" IMO. but he is overrated by our fans. our fans get to emotionally attached to our players.

 

[B-Roy]

no the problem soda is that papag has no real argument or solution, so he'll sit here and have a pissing match with you over the way you worded your first point.

to the first point, travis has been clutch in the past and maybe he needs to get some starters minutes because the guy has no clue with the second unit. the minute he touches the ball all movement stops and it becomes travis one on one. at least in the first unit he could stand at the 3-point line and hoist up those. i'll give him credit for this though, he's added the necessary six inches to his shot from last season. nothing pissed me off more than watching him chuck up shots with his heels on the 3 point line.

Starter minutes would be even worse for Outlaw. He's NEVER played well starting in a game alongside LA and Roy, and that's because Outlaw needs to ball to operate. Forget camping in the corner, there's plenty of times this season where Travis should have just caught and shot, but instead passes up the open shot for a step in jumper that usually results in a brick.