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A natural reaction from a team's best player; these guys want and need to control the destiny of their respective teams and when things go off the rails when they weren't the one controlling the rock, it's easy to see why he would say this.
 
Nikolokolus said:
A natural reaction from a team's best player; these guys want and need to control the destiny of their respective teams and when things go off the rails when they weren't the one controlling the rock, it's easy to see why he would say this.
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OTOH, it could be a thinly veiled knock on Miller.

jus sayin' ;)
 
ABM said:
OTOH, it could be a thinly veiled knock on Miller.

jus sayin' ;)
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Well, that seems stupid. Roy's usage is about the same this season as it was last season (.5 lower). How is that a knock on Miller? Expand, since you started this thread.
 
Tince said:
Would you like the opposite reaction?
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I'm sure there are other alternatives. How 'bout, 'Man, I should've played better defense,' or 'Man, I should've taken better shots,' or 'Man, I should've attacked the rim more,' or 'Man, I should've done a better job involving my teammates,' or...

There are many ways a player can positively impact a game without "having the ball more". I can understand ABM's concern about that particular lament.
 
BGrantFan said:
Yeah, I'd hate to win 4 titles, be the defending champs, and still have Roy be 5 points lower in usage than Bryant (Roy is 7 points lower right now).

I don't understand why people on this board don't want their best player to have the ball in his hands as much as possible.
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080824023631AAupYuL

Why did it take MJ 8 years to win a title?

...........Jordan was a ball hog in his young ages usually taking at least half of his team's FGA, but Phil Jackson taught him how to pass and his teammates to help.
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also........

http://www.theroot.com/views/dont-hog-ball-all-star

Jordan was a one-man show in Chicago. His 37.1 points per game average in ’86-’87 was the greatest single season since Chamberlain. Yet this version 1.0 of Michael all too often led to games where the Bulls would lose 96-87 despite Jordan’s 45 points. Nonetheless, it was those sorts of performances that created the Air Jordan brand and turned Michael into the iconic athletic figure of his generation.

Jordan’s prodigious scoring in the late ‘80s overshadowed a change in his game. With the arrivals of Scottie Pippen, a future Hall of Famer, and Horace Grant, a perennial all-star until back problems diminished his game at an early age, Jordan began to pass the ball. He averaged eight rebounds and assists per game in ’88-’89. Thus, when Phil Jackson became Bulls head coach before the ’89-’90 season and instituted a less Jordan-centric offense, Michael was ready for the change, and the Bulls went on to win six titles in eight years.....
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ABM said:
also........
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Jordan had an average usage rate of 36% his first four years in the league. Roy is under 26%. What the fuck is your point? That Roy should be more like Dwyane Wade, who actually won a title in his 3rdwith a usage of 32.5%?

I still don't get the "Roy is selfish" bullshit I read here, but this takes the cake.
 
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BGrantFan said:
Jordan had an average usage rate of 36% his first four years in the league. Roy is under 26%. What the fuck is your point? That Roy should be more like Dwyane Wade, who actually won a title in his 3rdwith a usage of 32.5%?

I still don't get the "Roy is selfish" bullshit I read here, but this takes the cake.
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Many times this season I've seen Roy get the ball near the end of games and the offense simply stalls. Yes, it's a bit concerning.

I saw some similar stuff during last season's playoff series with the Rockets. Soon after that, Roy cried, "Get me some more players!"
 
ABM said:
Many times this season I've seen Roy get the ball near the end of games and the offense simply stalls. Yes, it's a bit concerning.

I saw some similar stuff during last season's playoff series with the Rockets. Soon after that, Roy cried, "Get me some more players!"
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You have a problem with how Roy played against the Rockets?
 
BGrantFan said:
You have a problem with how Roy played against the Rockets?
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IMO, he attempted to put the entire team on his shoulders. In the end, he couldn't handle all that weight. Fatigue set in.
 
Frankly, when I read the full quote, it doesn't bother me as much.

"When we lose, I'm like, 'Man, I should've had the ball more,'" Roy said. "But when we win, I'm totally fine playing off the ball. We're just trying to find that balance of my having the ball, but not overdoing it."

The key is that Roy is intent on winning, and when the team loses, he starts to feel like he didn't do enough to make the team win. That's how a leader should think. Does that mean the solution is having the ball in Roy's hands more? Not always - but I'd want Roy to be demanding the ball, if things go awry.
 
Public Defender said:
but I'd want Roy to be demanding the ball, if things go awry.
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Things go awry with Roy, as well.

Personally, I'd rather the team win or lose the team approach (ala Sloan style).
 
ABM said:
IMO, he attempted to put the entire team on his shoulders. In the end, he couldn't handle all that weight. Fatigue set in.
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He played as well as any other All-Star in the playoffs, with a lesser usage rate. What is the point of this thread?
 
BGrantFan said:
He played as well as any other All-Star in the playoffs, with a lesser usage rate. What is the point of this thread?
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The Blazers lost their playoff series. Personally, I thought a little less Roy might have netted a different result.

That's just me, though. ;)
 
ABM said:
The Blazers lost their playoff series. Personally, I thought a little less Roy might have netted a different result.

That's just me, though. ;)
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A little less Roy, and a little more who? I ask because the point of your thread seems to be solely to criticize Roy.
 
ABM said:
No thanks to MJ. :) (BTW, Roy's no MJ...and never will be.)
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Then why did you give me a bunch of MJ quotes in a thread you created to criticize Roy? You're all over the place. :lol:
 
Whoa, Roy should not at all be criticized for that playoff series. Everyone outside of LaMarcus on the offensive end simply did not show up for that matchup for various reasons of simply not being good enough, bad offensive schemes, and good defense by the Rockets. Open people could not hit big shots except for Rudy at the end of game three or four on the road. He went against two great defenders and gave us a great shot in that series along with LMA after we blew the first game with a really awful defensive game plan.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Whoa, Roy should not at all be criticized for that playoff series. Everyone outside of LaMarcus on the offensive end simply did not show up for that matchup for various reasons of simply not being good enough, bad offensive schemes, and good defense by the Rockets. Open people could not hit big shots except for Rudy at the end of game three or four on the road. He went against two great defenders and gave us a great shot in that series along with LMA after we blew the first game with a really awful defensive game plan.
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Enough with the common sense. This ABM clown is on a rollercoaster roll right now against Roy!
 
KingSpeed said:
The star player should want the ball..
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Yeah, that's what MJ said before he started involving his teammates more.......then winning titles.
 
KingSpeed said:
The star player should want the ball. You didn't post the whole quote in which he said that if we win, he could care less. He's just about winning.
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ABM seems to have a problem with Brandon Roy. An odd thread, to say the least. Is the old guy somehow connected to the team, or is he just blowing smoke out of his ass?
 
ABM said:
Yeah, that's what MJ said before he started involving his teammates more.......then winning titles.
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MJ always had a usage rate above 32% in his title years. Roy isn't even near 30%. Then again, Roy will never be MJ...

what a stupid thread. Where do you find these people?
 
BGrantFan said:
ABM seems to have a problem with Brandon Roy. An odd thread, to say the least. Is the old guy somehow connected to the team, or is he just blowing smoke out of his ass?
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:lol:

Yeah, sure.
 
ABM said:
The Blazers lost their playoff series. Personally, I thought a little less Roy might have netted a different result.

That's just me, though. ;)
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You gotta be kidding me. Roy came to play. Averaged 27 ppg in that series. We lost game 1 because there was not ENOUGH Roy. Then in Game 2, he carried us to victory. If Outlaw came to play in Game 6, we probably would've won the series. The playoffs are all about the stars coming to play and Roy delivered. Now we need the rest of the guys to step up and join him.
 
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