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with all due respect, fuck your bible
The Bible is a beautiful thing if you don't interpret it with a jaundiced eye.
The Bible does not condemn neither homosexuality nor abortion. We even have women, gay and lesbian priests.
And before you cry foul just consider that our church contains scholars who have researched this thoroughly.
 
Don’t forget to bring your bible to the voting booth with you just in case you need a reference point on some of the measures.

lol good grief.
I wonder if the Bible said vote for three times married serial adulterer, sexual abuser, corrupt ignorant incompetent narcissist?
 
The Bible is a beautiful thing if you don't interpret it with a jaundiced eye.
The Bible does not condemn neither homosexuality nor abortion. We even have women, gay and lesbian priests.
And before you cry foul just consider that our church contains scholars who have researched this thoroughly.
the bible should have nothing to do with how we run our country.
 
Revelation 22:15: “For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”
 
the bible should have nothing to do with how we run our country.
In my church we separate church from politics. We teach how to be a good person and let the parishioners decide for themselves how to implement that with their individual choice of politics. Church is for people to better themselves morally and politics is telling other people what they must and must not do or ethically. The Bible is not intended to tell people how to vote.
 
The cupboard is not empty. 60% remains unused and that 40% will be replaced when the price drops.
At just under 714 million barrels the strategic petroleum reserve is enough oil to supply the US for 35 days at our current consumption rate of around 20 million barrels per day.
 
My Bible tells me differently, Lanny. But, that's already been thoroughly discussed in here.

I'll tell anyone in here. My views on this subject will not change. Ever.
Your bible has nothing to do with the decision another person should be allowed to make.

I'll hate religion and mock it as the snake oil it is as long as religious people push their beliefs off on others the way you are now.

That is pure evil.
 
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Oddly enough-- first time voting via mail for me in Oregon.

I had an issue sealing the envelope because mine just doesn't have enough adhesive on it. Sealed it with scotch tape to make sure it doesn't come open.

Is this going to be an issue?
 
My opinion, people find in their holy book, whatever it is, Bible, Quran, Bhagavad Gita, you name it, confirmation of their views.
So one person can support slavery and segregation because they are Christian and bible says Black people have the mark of Cain, while another hides runaway slaves and fights for civil rights because the bible says all are equal before god. One person slaughters Jews because they are Christian and Jews are descendants of Satan while another risks their life hiding Jews because Jesus was a Jew. One person wants to ban transgender health care, marriage equality and even saying gay because they are Christian and St. Paul said bad things about men having sex with men (but not women) while another supports LGBTQ rights because their Christianity teaches respect for all, even those whom they don't understand. I think all those people would be exactly the same had the bible never been written.

And the state must be religiously neutral.
 
I carry it in my head and heart, especially when Matthew talks about Christ proclaiming that if you want to endear yourself to Christ you should help the most disadvantaged among us.
Our priest stopped by our house yesterday and as he gave us Communion he told us how that was to be in our service November 13. Beautiful.

Here's my grandfather's Thanksgiving prayer which I'm having engraved on my tombstone -

Oh heavenly Father,

We thank thee for food and
remember the hungry.

We thank thee for health and
remember the sick.

We thank thee for friends and
remember the friendless.

We thank thee for Freedom and
remember the enslaved.

May these remembrances
stir us to service
that thy gifts to us
may be used for others.

Amen

I don’t believe in god. No disrespect. But Matthew and all that jibber jabber means nothing to more people in this country than not.
 
If the state can prevent the murder of an unborn child, then I'm all for it.
That is beyond the power of the state. Morally, constitutionally, and logistically. The only thing the state can do about it is cause more suffering.

I'll always do anything in my power to help people access the healthcare they need. And that includes helping find safe ways to terminate a pregnancy if that's what she wants. State laws be damned.

The US Constitution doesn't recognize unborn anything as people.

It is unconstitutional to restrict a person's right to choose their own healthcare when there are no people harmed in those decisions.

Legal restrictions on abortion violates the 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments. I see any state law that violates constitutional rights and I don't even think twice about breaking that law to support those constitutional rights.

Abortion restrictions are pure evil, and they are also devastating social policy. Fascist in every way.
 
My Bible tells me differently, Lanny. But, that's already been thoroughly discussed in here.

I'll tell anyone in here. My views on this subject will not change. Ever.
The Bible doesn't mention it. That is you reading your beliefs into the book. And I'm pretty sure that goes against the message in said book.
 
The Bible doesn't mention it. That is you reading your beliefs into the book. And I'm pretty sure that goes against the message in said book.

The Bible actually places the life of a woman over an unborn child. In Exodus a pregnant woman is struck. The punishment because she miscarried was a fine. If she had died, the punishment would have been death.

So, the very book Christians point too to defend their stances against abortion, not only never mentions abortion, but stands with the woman over the unborn.
 
The Bible doesn't mention it. That is you reading your beliefs into the book. And I'm pretty sure that goes against the message in said book.

God said he "knew" me and "set me apart" while I was still in the womb. In other words, He didn't intend for my life and being to be at the hands of my mother. That's what I roll with and that's what has determined my stance on the matter. I fully support any efforts to keep it intact.
 
In other words, you interpreted what someone millennia ago said a god said to comply with your views.
 
In other words, you interpreted what someone millennia ago said a god said to comply with your views.

No, my life got turned upside-down by God. And my conversion happened inside my home.....alone. Nobody else was around. It was a complete "God miracle" that nobody can deny me. My testimony is just that - "my" testimony. Remember, I had been through three abortions. I know that drill.
 
God said he "knew" me and "set me apart" while I was still in the womb. In other words, He didn't intend for my life and being to be at the hands of my mother. That's what I roll with and that's what has determined my stance on the matter. I fully support any efforts to keep it intact.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.

This has nothing to do with a cell being a person or having greater rights than an actual person. Even if I were to believe this, it would more likely mean God actually chose the situation he placed this cell into. And only implanted a single sperm. Thereby setting it "apart" from the rest of the ejaculate.

Doctors do this all the time.

It's no reason to support forcing misery, suffering and poverty upon the masses.

We no longer ride animals city to city.
We have knowledge and technology that allows us to choose healthier and more productive options.
 
No, my life got turned upside-down by God. And my conversion happened inside my home.....alone. Nobody else was around. It was a complete "God miracle" that nobody can deny me. My testimony is just that - "my" testimony. Remember, I had been through three abortions. I know that drill.

‘He was chosen’: the rightwing Christian roadshow spreading the gospel of Trump
Part Trump rally, part religious service, and much conspiracy theory thrown in – on the eve of the midterms, Ed Pilkington visits the ReAwaken America tour

There is a man by the name of Donald,” the voice on the recording says. “God said, ‘You have been determined through your prayers to influence this nation … I will open that door that you prayed about, and when it comes time for the election you will be elected.”

Three thousand people are packed into an overflowing auditorium, many with arms raised and eyes closed in prayer. The recording to which they are listening is from April 2013 and of Kim Clement, a late South African preacher, as he prophesies the first coming of Donald Trump.

In a clip from the following year, Clement again purports to channel the word of God: “Hear me, for I have found a man after my own heart and he is among you. He is one of the brothers, but singled out for presidency of the United States of America.”


There is excitement in the theater, with talk of a “red wave” at Tuesday’s midterm elections that will set America back on a righteous path after two years in the progressive wilderness. There is also palpable expectation that victory next week will be followed soon after by Trump’s second coming.

The audience erupts in a mighty cheer as Clement’s speaking as God is beamed down to them from large flat screens while he says: “Hear me today. I have the whole thing planned out. I have looked for a man who would restore the fortunes of Zion.”

So begins the ReAwaken America tour, a Trump-adoring, rightwing road show that has come for its 17th and last pre-election stop to Branson, a deeply Christian, deeply conservative town in Missouri. Over the next two days the crowd, swathed in Stars and Stripes T-shirts and Make America Great Again (Maga) hats and paying up to $500 for a “VIP” ticket, will be treated to speeches from the far-right stormtroopers of the Trump revolution.

They will hear the former president’s first national security adviser Michael Flynn, who is revered in this setting as “America’s general”, warning that a new world tyranny is approaching. They will listen as Mike Lindell, the so-called My Pillow Guy, launches an incoherent rant about how foreign forces are infiltrating voting machines and using them to subvert US elections.


They will give a standing ovation to the beloved leader’s son, Eric Trump, who will fire them up almost to the point of ecstasy with talk of “doing it all again”. And at the end of the day more than 200 of them will line up by a swimming pool for a full-body immersive baptism in the name of the lord, spiritual and political.

The show is part Trump Stop the Steal rally, part charismatic religious service, part QAnon and anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory all rolled into one. It also subscribes heavily to the church of merchandising – there is a large vendors’ tent with several stalls devoted to the peddling of snake oil (“Redox Worx: patented cell-signalling technology. Improve health on a cellular level”).

This heady brew is the creation of Clay Clark, a former wedding reception DJ from Oklahoma turned ThriveTimeShow podcaster who came to prominence protesting Covid lockdowns. Together with Flynn, he launched the ReAwaken America tour in April last year, just weeks after Trump supporters staged the January 6 attack on the US Capitol in a desperate yet unsuccessful attempt to keep Joe Biden out of the Oval Office.

Since then the show has criss-crossed the country like a merry band of minstrels, honing the look, feel and message of Trump 2.0. There is less arch humour in the mix than there was when Trump descended the golden escalator in June 2015 – now it’s more resentment and menace.


The speakers talk about a battle for America’s soul, literally, as though an aspiration that was floated at the start of the Trump experiment has gelled into something concrete. The regular tussle between Republicans and Democrats has distilled into a concoction that is far more potent: the fight of good versus evil.

“We are ready to go to war with the enemy, to bring this country back,” Clark says as he orders the blowing of the shofar – horns seen as spiritual weapons that herald the unleashing of God’s power.

“How many of you believe that Jesus is king, and that Donald Trump is the president?” he asks. Almost every hand in the house shoots up.

There is more dystopian paranoia in the room, too. America’s general, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia but was pardoned by Trump, tells the rapt crowd that “these people” – unnamed but indicative of global elites – “have a plan to take this country over. They are moving to impose a new world order.”

There are signs on the front of the theater pronouncing: “No guns”. Yet guns are plentiful inside the theatre as fashion appendages. One woman sitting on the stage as a “VIP” is wearing a T-shirt that says: “Guns don’t kill people. Biden does.”

There is a pulsing sense inside the ReAwaken America arena that the world outside, the world surrounding them, is wholly against them. There is some reason to that.

Last year the the Anti-Defamation League compiled a report on ReAwaken America that accused the tour of spreading disinformation. “This phenomenon underscores the extent to which the line separating the mainstream from the extreme has blurred,” it warned.

Twice the event has been shut down or forced to relocate, in New York and Washington states. Now when you are sent your ticket it is labelled as a “Fresh-roasted coffee-fest and expo” to disguise the show’s real focus.

Misinformation flows freely inside Trump 2.0. Lori Gregory, who produces films for Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced British doctor who was struck off from medical practice in 2010 for fear-mongering about links between the MMR vaccine and autism, tells the crowd that 10 years from now one in two children will be on the autistic spectrum as a result of vaccine injury.

A later speaker, Sherri Tenpenny, says that Covid vaccines were turning people into “transhumanist cyborgs”. Covid shots have killed 20 million people around the world and caused 20 billion injuries, she says.


Kash Patel is next up, fresh from the immunity deal he has cut with federal prosecutors that will see him testify about how Trump hoarded top-secret documents at Mar-a-Lago. Patel doesn’t want to talk about that.

The Trump administration’s former chief of staff at the Department of Defense wants to empathise with his audience over how they are maligned by Biden and the media: “You guys have been labelled domestic violent terrorists because you dare to support the Maga movement.”

He also wants to talk about the “two-tiered justice system” that has put many loyal Maga supporters behind bars without bail after the violent attack on the Capitol. He does not mention the more than 140 law enforcement officers who were injured on January 6 nor the seven people – at least – who died as a result of the attack.

What Patel really wants to talk about is his latest children’s book that purports to enlighten school kids about how the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump and rigged in Biden’s favor. “King Donald had taken the lead, getting an unprecedented amount of votes,” as the story goes in The Plot Against the King: 2000 Mules. “Poor Joe was trailing so far behind that the result seemed to be obvious. The winner was …”

Patel wants his book to be taught in schools, replacing the critical race theory and gender realignment that he laments is being forced down children’s throats. When he has finished speaking, he goes outside to sell signed copies of the 36-page book to a long line of attendees, at $60 each.

People who had travelled from all over Missouri and beyond to attend the show expressed happiness that for once they were understood. “I feel encouragement, I feel truth. We don’t get much of that any more,” says Ruth Denham, who sits on the local Branson town council.

Denham has stopped consuming mainstream media – she gets her news from Trump’s social media platform, Truth Social, and from Kash’s Corner, Patel’s podcast. Nor does she call herself a Republican any longer, there are just too many Rinos, or “Republicans in name only”. She considers herself a “constitutional conservative”.

Mark Trudo, who runs his own swimming pool construction company near St Louis, is more optimistic, saying: “Right now I’m hopeful, I think things are going to turn around, a great awakening is taking place.”

Like most of his ReAwaken peers, he sees the current politics in apocalyptic terms: “The country is being taken away from us from within. This is good versus evil.”

Actual evil? As in satanic evil?

“Is God real, is Satan real? Yes, I believe they are,” he says.

Is Biden satanic?

“I don’t know he is actually satanic. He is compromised. He knows what the evil side, the satanic forces, that control him tell him to do.”

And Trump?

“As a believer, I believe God knows the future. Trump was chosen. Even though he didn’t look like a Christian figure – he was foul-mouthed and a playboy – it’s obvious God knew what he was doing and put him in.”

And now God is potentially poised to put Trump in a second time. That’s a theme that Eric Trump picks up when he takes the stage.

He talks about the 2016 election, how Hillary outspent his father five to one and yet Trump still won. “We had the best out of all, which was the guy up there,” he says, pointing a finger heaven-ward. “Believe me, there was divine intervention, there was somebody watching over him.”

Then came the biggest cheer of the day: “That’s why we have to do it again. It’s why we have to do it again.”

On Thursday night Trump addressed a rally of his supporters in Sioux City, Iowa, and said: “I will very, very, very probably do it again.” There is speculation he will announce another run for the White House on 14 November, the week after the elections.

“Guys, we will never ever, ever stop fighting for this country,” Eric Trump says, prompting chants of “USA! USA! USA!”

“It’s unthinkable what these people are doing to this nation,” he says. “This is cognitive war, and I don’t say that lightly – I’m not, like, a tin-hat wearing guy.”

Eric Trump concludes by telling the reawakened crowd that he loves them, saying: “I know you guys have our back 100%, and we have yours. I promise you, we are going to go and get those bastards, I promise you we will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...america-republicans-midterms-branson-missouri
 
In other words, when they needed access to abortion services they had it. And now want to prevent others from doing so.

While still having access themselves.
 
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