dumpstralmannow
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I never liked Ripken. I thought he was a little overrated.
Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap
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Had to chime in. MVP and other individual awards are based on stats. Jeter didn't care about stats, only winning. He could have had bigger numbers if that's what he cared about. Unlike Arod, who swung for the fences on every single pitch, especially with Texas because he had nothing else to play for, Jeter would give himself up, move a runner, get a single if that's what was needed. Could pull the ball or hit a HR if the situation called for it. Tremendous clutch player, especially post season. Jeter can't be measured by his numbers. In the WS against the Mets, after the Mets tied the series, first time up next game Jeter pulls it over 400 feet to left to immediately wipe out any Met momentum. On the flip play, he had no reason to think the ball was going where it did, but he knew. Every AB is different situation and he did what was needed at that time. Wasn't much he couldn't do. Only Yankee haters or people jealous of him are railing against him today. Too bad we didn't have more Rangers that could think the game like him, and come up big when it was most important. We'd have more than one cup since 1940. Look at what current and retired Red Sox players say about him. That's all you need to know.
None, lol. My baseball pictures are mostly ones I personally took, such as the infield in 1976 after Chambliss hit the HR to end the declinasty. Chambliss is halfway between home and 1st, right when he jumped with his feet off the ground, and Brett is at 3rd with his face in his hands. Or the scoreboard of the final score of the last game at the old stadium. Most of the pics in my house are Rangers, some NY Giants, a few Yankees, and a lot of thoroughbred horses. There are also some Met and Jet pics as my wife roots for them.
Dude come on....When it comes to measuring a players performance in baseball pretty much the only criteria is STATS
This is getting ridiculous. Jeter was a great player, a HOF player but he is not one top players all time in baseball.
Can we please quit elevating Jeter's post season performances like they were better than they really were.
He is a career .308 hitter in playoffs w 20 HR over the course of the 158 games he played. That's pretty much a full season and its pretty similar to his regular season numbers as well.
Enough already. The guy was very good player at a position that is a huge bonus to bring offense.
Never said he was one of the greatest of all time. Where did that come from? And we all know baseball is a stats sport, but if you only go on stats, and we also know you can pick and choose what stats, and there are a lot of things there are no stats for, you are missing a lot. A guy like Schilling, who is Yankee hater, said the guy he least wanted to see in a clutch situation is Jeter. Why would that be? Your opinion is that Ripken is better. Ripken was great, no doubt. They're so close I couldn't choose between them. I will point out that he played 3rd for a number of years, while Jeter played the more demanding SS for his entire career. Jeter was a leadoff or 2 whole hitter, a tablesetter, vs Ripken who was a power hitter in an RBI slot. Comparing stats is apple to oranges. Also much harder to hit HR's in the old Yankee Stadium to left field vs Camden Yards or Memorial Field. Where are the stats that account for those things? Point being, simple stats don't tell the whole story, and much of the time they are not even comparable.
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I'm an Oriole fan and I'll agree that Ripken was somewhat overrated and helped in popularity by the streak. He was a mold breaking SS in terms of size, and certainly a HOFer but I'd agree. At least he didnt drop the last out of the 83' WS.
Here is what I know about Ripkin other than he played in every game for a ridiculous amount of time.
He averaged 24 HR a year.....Hit .275 and had almost 450 HR. He also was very good defensively for most of his career. 2 MVP trophhies and as SC said he REDEFINED the position and was ahead of his time.
I will take Ripkin over Jeter but they are both all time greats. I suppose its stupid to argue about both as they are/will both be enshrined in Cooperstown
He averaged 24 HR a year.....Hit .275 and had almost 450 HR. He also was very good defensively for most of his career. 2 MVP trophhies and as SC said he REDEFINED the position and was ahead of his time.
I will take Ripkin over Jeter but they are both all time greats. I suppose its stupid to argue about both as they are/will both be enshrined in Cooperstown
Dis, if he was an OF with around 3500 hits like Jeter he is an automatic hall of gamer. In fact, if he was the batboy and had that many hits he would be a HOF. No one in the history of baseball with 3,000 plus hits is not an automatic HOF.
Come on 1962. Haven't you been following!!! Jeter sucks. Gold gloves are a result of his family casting the votes. 3500 hits is untrue because every hit he got the scorer counted it as 2 hits. He wasn't clutch especially in the postseason. It was someone else in a number 2 jeter jersey who got those 158 postseason hits and numerous game winners. When his teammates and opposing players speak glowingly about what a great player Jeter is their doing so because Jeter is holding their families hostage and will hurt them if they don't. All that winning his teams did were the result of playing with all the other hall of famers not named MO on the yankees……Oops. And the stories about his charity work and the stories about the class that he carries himself is total bullshit. He is a total scumbag and everything is all lies and distortions. Hope I've set you straight now.
Do you think Jeter during his 20 years was a good defensive SS?
Thanks mrmel, that was funny. And Dis, he was a very good defensive player. Before he got older, had above average range to his left, above average arm, ranged into the hole better than most, rarely booted a routine ball, and was one of the all time greats at going back on a pop up. Was always recognized as the best at that. Also, except for Luis Aparicio, maybe one or two I forgot, probably no one played at his level into his late 30's as a shortstop. Most, like Ripken, moved to 3rd base.
Can't dispute him being a good offensive player for a very long time but you think he was a GREAT defensive SS????? Wow....
With that, I am done with this thread
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Dis, I think 5 gg's whether u think voting was fixed or what means jeter was a good defensive shortstop. He had great hands, made every routine play and unlike the steroid guys as he started to slow down in his late 30's lost some range. His signature play was going deep in the left field hole and making that jump throw to nail the runner at first. And no one I ever saw was better at short at going back on pop ups
Jeter's 5 GG's are largely recongized in baseball circles as a huge joke. The only reason Jeter won ANY of his gold gloves is because his range has always been TERRIBLE and you cant commit errors to the balls you dont get to. He is a very good fielder....who also happens to have horrible range.
MLB doesnt give errors to SS's who never get to the ball. Jeter didnt win his first GG until he was 10 years into his career after he had already established himself as an all time great SS offensively and a very good leader playing a tough position.
MLB doesnt punish players for having crappy range. They only punish you for the balls you get to and don't make. Jeter was a very good fielder but to be a truly great defensive baseball player you need to be able to have great range too and he never had it even when he was young.
There are numerous articles by baseball writers that suggest pretty much ALL of Jeter's GG were based on his reputation and ability to make the routine plays.
Jeter was never a great defensive player period.
MLB doesnt give errors to SS's who never get to the ball. Jeter didnt win his first GG until he was 10 years into his career after he had already established himself as an all time great SS offensively and a very good leader playing a tough position.
MLB doesnt punish players for having crappy range. They only punish you for the balls you get to and don't make. Jeter was a very good fielder but to be a truly great defensive baseball player you need to be able to have great range too and he never had it even when he was young.
There are numerous articles by baseball writers that suggest pretty much ALL of Jeter's GG were based on his reputation and ability to make the routine plays.
Jeter was never a great defensive player period.
Hey I dont blame them for loving Jeter. He is an all time great....5 rings....Good postseason performer.....But when you start claiming that Jeter was GREAT defensively that is where you need to sober up and actually watch the games over again.
Ozzie Smith was GREAT defensively. Omar Vizquel was GREAT defensively. Luis Arapicio was GREAT defensively. Derek Jeter was great defensively AT THE BALLS HE ACTUALLY GOT TO which were FAR LESS than either of those guys.
Ozzie Smith was GREAT defensively. Omar Vizquel was GREAT defensively. Luis Arapicio was GREAT defensively. Derek Jeter was great defensively AT THE BALLS HE ACTUALLY GOT TO which were FAR LESS than either of those guys.
Al I'm glad you said that. I often wondered what Jeter's career would be like if he were drafted by somebody else. For most of his career (possibly the entire career), because of the lineup the yankees had he rarely saw a bad pitch to hit. Because of that lineup you couldn't pitch around him. Now having said that, as a Red Sox fan, I hated Jeter coming up in the late innings of a one run game, 2 outs and runners in scoring position, he almost always came through with a big hit. But he's a player that no matter who you cheer for, you absolutely respect. He doesn't create waves.
As for Chipper or Jeter? Definitely chipper. Can you imagine him and that rightfield wall?
I met Bernie Williams in Puerto Rico at a Winter League game. He sat right next to me. Great guy, even though I told him I was a Red Sox fan.
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Im envious of you meeting Bernie. I want to attend one if his guitar jamming sessions
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Dis, 308, with 20 Hr's in the playoffs is very good, when you consider that you are facing better teams in a best of 5 or 7 games. In the playoffs you face better pitching, and in 158 games Jeter did well.
He was a great guy. He had just arrived to play winter ball with San Juan, and was sitting in the stands to watch a little of the game, and he sat right next to me. I just heard people mumbling his name, and I looked to my right and he was right next to me. I said Bernie Williams, held out my hand and said I'm a Red Sox fan. He shook my hand ... and game me shit
Really good guy though. I never knew he was born there. His mom was an English teacher, and he has no accent. If you ever get a chance to go, you have to spend some time watching winter league games.
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To be fair the arguments biased Jeter haters like dis & 31 make hold no more water than those by hardcore fans like myself who appreciated Jeter as a player and role model. But I'll throw in my 2 cents: Jeter ranks 29th all time fielding percentage (Ripken 11th, Arod 21st), hardly a hack at the position and spare me the Sabermetrics unless you're going to include the number of base hits Jeter's height allowed him to snare while shorter SS's with more lateral range would be heading out to left for the cutoff throw. In 20 years Ripken only hit over .300 5 times while Jeter did it 12 times in 18 years. Jeter's a classy player who gave 100% and unlike the cheater A-rod stayed away from the juice, I think he should go 1st vote but either way he'll be in the Hall.
Nobody is saying he isn't a HOFer. He absolutely is mainly because he was consistently very good for a very long time. But he is still overrated
Jeter was a great singles hitter. He was also a great defensive fielding SS with horrible range. That doesn't mean he was great defensively.
Jeter was a great singles hitter. He was also a great defensive fielding SS with horrible range. That doesn't mean he was great defensively.
