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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Uhhhhh, it isn't charity if you force it. I'd be the first person to sue to keep from having to pay the state a penny the second they made it "charitable"

Fucking stupid
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You don't have to make the donation. It's just a credit against your taxes if you choose to make it. If you choose not to, you can pay the full amount of tax.

Free country :)

barfo
 
barfo said:
You don't have to make the donation. It's just a credit against your taxes if you choose to make it. If you choose not to, you can pay the full amount of tax.

Free country :)

barfo
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Yeah, that ain't gonna work.
 
So Democrats in blue states with much higher median incomes than the rest of the country are trying to create a loophole to essentially get out of paying taxes? They wouldn't do that would they?

Oops Democrats, your fake generosity is showing.

It's easier to give away money when it's not yours.
 
jonnyboy said:
So Democrats in blue states with much higher median incomes than the rest of the country are trying to create a loophole to essentially get out of paying taxes? They wouldn't do that would they?

Oops Democrats, your fake generosity is showing.

It's easier to give away money when it's not yours.
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Heh, there's a really easy one for the other side, but I'll let you figure it out.
 
Basing your own intelligence off of a false assumption that everyone around you is retarded doesn't actually make you smarter than everyone else :ghoti:
 
jonnyboy said:
I'm pretty sure the big secret you two are snickering about isn't that big of a secret.
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Snickering? I'm YELLING it to you but for some reason you don't seem to understand.
 
Ha!

This is quite a joke!

Making a new tax on employers will just run them off to another State or country not quite so stupid.

I don't think any State prohibits making a charitable contribution to the state right now. No change in law required.
But man, making it completely voluntary is funny. How many of you will pay?
 
MarAzul said:
But man, making it completely voluntary is funny. How many of you will pay?
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That isn't the proposal, to make them voluntary. The idea is to make it a choice: you can either pay your state taxes as normal OR you can pay them as a charitable donation to the state. Either way, you pay your state taxes, but the second way gets around Republicans' removal of SALT deductions.
 
Minstrel said:
That isn't the proposal, to make them voluntary. The idea is to make it a choice: you can either pay your state taxes as normal OR you can pay them as a charitable donation to the state. Either way, you pay your state taxes, but the second way gets around Republicans' removal of SALT deductions.
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Nah! That can't work, it is still a tax you are required to pay, with a rerouted collection vehicle

Besides that, the 16th amendment doesn't have a damn thing in it as to what income will be taxed or what can be deducted or not.
 
MarAzul said:
Nah! That can't work, it is still a tax you are required to pay, with a rerouted collection vehicle.
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Naw, it can work. They'll forgive your state taxes (tax credit) if you make a charitable donation. And donations are fully deductible. This type of thing is already done in return for tax credits in other states, just not on this scale and for this specific reason (obviously, since the removal of SALT deductions just happened). It's not new and untested.

But Congress did not rewrite the rules that permit taxpayers to deduct charitable donations from their federal tax bills, opening the door for a possible end-run by the high-tax states of California, New York and New Jersey. Red states such as South Carolina, Georgia and Louisiana already offer generous tax credits to those who funnel money into state funds for private school vouchers, for instance, while blue states like California use tax credits to promote environmental conservation and college scholarship donations.

People who donate to these state funds often receive a double-benefit: federal deductions on top of state tax credits, said Kirk Stark, professor of tax law and policy at UCLA School of Law, who is advising Democrats in California on the proposal.

“This isn’t some grand new thing,” Stark said. “This is something that states all over the country have been doing for some time.”
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MarAzul said:
Nah! That can't work, it is still a tax you are required to pay, with a rerouted collection vehicle

Besides that, the 16th amendment doesn't have a damn thing in it as to what income will be taxed or what can be deducted or not.
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See below, they'll say they're already doing it.......kinda like when corporations exploit loopholes to save money and libs go crazy about it.

Unfortunately for them, if you make a big stink about it and still exploit the loophole people that can close the loophole will just close it.

That isn't even taking into account the huge difference in someone"donating" to private schools occasionally.

Imagine they have to give people who "donate" a choice where the money goes and they all give to the homeless.... I'd laugh my ass off when they reroute the money to keep their government going.
 
Minstrel said:
Naw, it can work. They'll forgive your state taxes (tax credit) if you make a charitable donation. And donations are fully deductible. This type of thing is already done in return for tax credits in other states, just not on this scale and for this specific reason (obviously, since the removal of SALT deductions just happened). It's not new and untested.



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Ok, I will stand corrected when you show me a law that requires a Charitable donation be made instead of income taxes due.
But I suppose Congress could fix this little maneuver in about two days.
 
MarAzul said:
Ok, I will stand corrected when you show me a law that requires a Charitable donation be made instead of income taxes due.
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The proposal doesn't make it a requirement. It'll be a choice. Pay normally or make a charitable contribution.
 
riverman said:
that would be your choice then...but it's not forced upon you as you said it would be. You don't have to take advantage of it but you don't live in Oregon anyway do you?
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Wouldn't live in Oregon if you paid my mortgage.......well, I probably would but I hate the rain. Maybe somewhere rural I can pump my own gas.
 
Minstrel said:
The proposal doesn't make it a requirement. It'll be a choice. Pay normally or make a charitable contribution.
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Where does the "charitable contribution" go?

You're acting like this being used on a small scale in the past means it will survive court challenges and congress closing the loopholes. Ain't happening unless you keep it in court until the dems take back the majority...which could definitely happen.
 
riverman said:
This doesn't concern you at all then...you can live in a red state and just enjoy Trumpisms
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Ha!!!! Hilary won Nevada, we have legal weed and low taxes and tons of sun.

It does concern me that you deadbeats wanna get out of paying your federal taxes as required.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Where does the "charitable contribution" go?
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To the state. It's a charitable contribution to the state, and you get a tax credit back. Or you could just pay your taxes normally, if you prefer that.

You're acting like this being used on a small scale in the past means it will survive court challenges and congress closing the loopholes. Ain't happening
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If Congress changes the laws, sure. What's the legal basis for the courts overturning it?
 
Minstrel said:
To the state. It's a charitable contribution to the state, and you get a tax credit back. Or you could just pay your taxes normally, if you prefer that.



If Congress changes the laws, sure. What's the legal basis for the courts overturning it?
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Charitable donations cannot be compulsory. If I live in a state that asks me to "donate" to it I'm going to tell them to fuck off. I'd sue instantly.

If the state won't let me donate to something like the Red Cross it isn't charity.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Charitable donations cannot be compulsory. If I live in a state that asks me to "donate" to it I'm going to tell them to fuck off. I'd sue instantly.
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It's not compulsory, under this proposal. You and MarAzul claiming it is doesn't make it so. You would have the choice to pay taxes in exactly the same way you do now. Doing it as a charitable donation would be an option, not a requirement. You'd have no basis to sue.
 
Minstrel said:
It's not compulsory, under this proposal. You and MarAzul claiming it is doesn't make it so. You would have the choice to pay taxes in exactly the same way you do now. Doing it as a charitable donation would be an option, not a requirement. You'd have no basis to sue.
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Hahahahahahahaha. Then they're state taxes. Which you can't deduct.

The amount is compulsory and goes to the state. Are you saying I can skip the state and give to a real charity? Good luck with that.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Hahahahahahahaha. Then they're state taxes.
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Realistically, they are. It's a loophole. If you think loopholes fail legally because "come on now, you know what they really mean, just apply some common sense here!" you haven't been following tax policy for the last century. ;)

It's not going to be struck down by the courts. Congress could do something about it, if they want to. As long as Republicans do it before they lose one House of Congress, which could be this year.
 
Minstrel said:
Realistically, they are. It's a loophole. If you think loopholes fail legally because "come on now, you know what they really mean, just apply some common sense here!," you haven't been following tax policy for the last century. ;)

It's not going to be struck down by the courts. Congress could do something about it, if they want to.
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They will.
 
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