NSA Spying: The Three Pillars of Government Trust Have Fallen

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With each recent revelation about the NSA's spying programs government officials have tried to reassure the American people that all three branches of government—the Executive branch, the Judiciary branch, and the Congress—knowingly approved these programs and exercised rigorous oversight over them. President Obama recited this talking point just last week, saying: "as President, I've taken steps to make sure they have strong oversight by all three branches of government and clear safeguards to prevent abuse and protect the rights of the American people." With these three pillars of oversight in place, the argument goes, how could the activities possibly be illegal or invasive of our privacy?

Today, the Washington Post confirmed that two of those oversight pillars—the Executive branch and the court overseeing the spying, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA court)—don't really exist. The third pillar came down slowly over the last few weeks, with Congressional revelations about the limitations on its oversight, including what Representative Sensennbrenner called "rope a dope" classified briefings. With this, the house of government trust has fallen, and it's time to act. Join the over 500,000 people demanding an end to the unconstitutional NSA spying.

First, the Executive. After a review of internal NSA audits of the spying programs provided by Edward Snowden, the Post lays out—in stark detail—that the claims of oversight inside the Executive Branch are empty. The article reveals that an internal NSA audit not shown to Congress, the President, or the FISA Court detailed thousands of violations where the NSA collected, stored, and accessed American's communications content and other information. In one story, NSA analysts searched for all communications containing the Swedish manufacturer Ericsson and “radio” or “radar.” What's worse: the thousands of violations only include the NSA's main office in Maryland—not the other—potentially hundreds—of other NSA offices across the country. And even more importantly, the documents published by the Post reveal violations increasing every year. The news reports and documents are in direct contrast to the repeated assertions by President Obama (video), General James Clapper (video), and General Keith Alexander (video) that the US government does not listen to or look at Americans' phone calls or emails. So much for official pronouncements that oversight by the Executive was "extensive" and "robust."

Second, the FISA Court. The Post presents a second article in which the Chief Judge of the FISA Court admits that the court is unable to act as a watchdog or stop the NSA's abuses: “The FISC is forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the Court,” its chief, US District Judge Reggie B. Walton, said in a written statement. “The FISC does not have the capacity to investigate issues of noncompliance." Civil liberties and privacy advocates have long said that the FISA Court is a rubber stamp when it comes to the spying, but this is worse—this is the Court admitting that it cannot conduct the oversight the President and others have claimed it is doing. So much for claims by officials from the White House (video), NSA, DOJ, and Intelligence Committee members of Congress that the FISA Court is another strong pillar of oversight.

Third, the Congress. Last week, Representative Sensenbrenner complained that "the practice of classified briefings are a 'rope-a-dope operation' in which lawmakers are given information and then forbidden from speaking out about it." Members of Congress who do not serve on the Intelligence Committees in the both the House and Senate have had difficulty in obtaining documents about the NSA spying. Last week, it was even uncovered that the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, failed to provide freshmen members of Congress vital documents about the NSA's activities during a key vote to reapprove the spying. Senators Wyden and Udall have been desperately trying to tell the American people what is going on, but this year the House Intelligence committee's Subcommittee on Oversight has not met once and the Senate Intelligence committee has met publicly only twice.

One, two, three pillars of government, all cited repeatedly as the justification for our trust and all now obviously nonexistent or failing miserably. It's no surprise Americans are turning against the government's explanations.

The pattern is now clear and it's getting old. With each new revelation the government comes out with a new story for why things are really just fine, only to have that assertion demolished by the next revelation. It's time for those in government who want to rebuild the trust of the American people and others all over the world to come clean and take some actual steps to rein in the NSA. And if they don't, the American people and the public, adversarial courts, must force change upon it.

We still think the first step ought to be a truly independent investigatory body that is assigned to look into the unconstitutional spying. It must be empowered to search, read and compel documents and testimony, must be required to give a public report that only redacts sensitive operational details, and must suggest specific legislation and regulatory changes to fix the problem—something like the Church Committee or maybe even the 9/11 Commission. The President made a mockery of this idea recently, by initially handing control of the "independent" investigation he announced in his press conference to the man who most famously lied to Congress and the American people about the spying, the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

The three pillars of American trust have fallen. It's time to get a full reckoning and build a new house from the wreckage, but it has to start with some honesty.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/nsa-spying-three-pillars-government-trust-have-fallen
 
What does eft.org know about this sort of thing anyway?

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One thing is very clear in so many articles. Sen. Wyden is the #1 opponent of the NSA in Congress. The NSA would love to defeat him. Oregonians should praise him to each other, so that they re-elect him. Get the word out.
 
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/16/what_if_the_president_lied_to_us/singleton/

Salon Mag (left wing rag) say Obama is either outright lying about NSA abuses, or is oblivious to news reports of the NSA abuses and is therefore incompetent.

Take your pick.

I voted for the asshole back in 2008 primarily back because I thought he was a constitutional scholar and might reverse some of the damage done to the Bill of Rights under Bush's run. Holy shit was I wrong. He basically doubled down.
 
I just got done reading that and thought about posting it but there seem to be very few people here that give a fuck about this.


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I don't think he was a scholar. If he did his teaching job like he did his congressional one, he may not have showed up for work much.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/obama-a-constitutional-law-professor/

OK, I'm not trying to fan the flames of partisan bickering and hackery - I fucking hate both of the major parties that "represent" political thought in this country and I'm staunchly not an ideologue - My only point is that the guy at least knows enough about the law and spent some time on constitutional law so he should have absolutely known better, and he campaigned on this issue ... one of the few issues I am passionate about.
 
OK, I'm not trying to fan the flames of partisan bickering and hackery - I fucking hate both of the major parties that "represent" political thought in this country and I'm staunchly not an ideologue - My only point is that the guy at least knows enough about the law and spent some time on constitutional law so he should have absolutely known better, and he campaigned on this issue ... one of the few issues I am passionate about.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, nor do I think I was being partisan (I'm a Libertarian). I think it's more a case of the "emperor wears no clothes." That is, there was so much hype about the guy as he was running, that everyone was saying "look at the emperor's beautiful new clothes!" Like how he won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything (now he's murdering by the hundreds with drones).

It's not just Obama when it comes to the NSA. He insists the NSA is within the law. Congress wrote and passed and re-passed the law.

On the other hand, Obama has skirted the constitution to do the right thing (and the wrong thing) on numerous occasions, so he does have the "power" to not go around building massive facilities to warehouse big data of the most massive and invasive kind.

I don't see this as a case of doubling down on what Bush was doing. More like 100x down, and that may be understating it.

I'm completely with you on this one. The question of "expectation of privacy" when applied to the government should favor the citizen in all cases unless there's a warrant that's specific to a place and thing. We have no expectation of privacy when it comes to dealing with private sector companies, though. We all let Google examine our emails looking for spam, for example. Or we let the phone company send us bills with long distance calls itemized. The pressure on these companies by the government to provide information about EVERYONE is unacceptable.

I'm on your side.
 
I know you weren't disagreeing with me, I just wanted to skirt the whole "Fuck Obama" thing that seems to derail so many of the conversations around here. Frankly, it's so much more than just Obama. Congress has completely abdicated their responsibilities, the higher courts appear to be nothing more than political stooges; installed to pass agendas for their political party of choice. And maybe most shameful of all, the press has mostly decided that it's in the "info-tainment" business (or shills for whatever transnational corporation hold their purse strings) rather than holding up its end of the bargain as the Fourth Estate.

I used to think people were just apathetic and stupid, now I lean towards the thought that most people are just ignorant or so cynical that they choose to ignore any information that comes out about these Constitutional issues. There's too many people too invested in "their side" scoring political points to be objectively critical about the people that run this country (world?).

All I can say is that I hope more people like Glen Greenwald keep trying to expose these abuses to the light of day ... and I hope he doesn't have an "accident."
 
I know you weren't disagreeing with me, I just wanted to skirt the whole "Fuck Obama" thing that seems to derail so many of the conversations around here. Frankly, it's so much more than just Obama. Congress has completely abdicated their responsibilities, the higher courts appear to be nothing more than political stooges; installed to pass agendas for their political party of choice. And maybe most shameful of all, the press has mostly decided that it's in the "info-tainment" business (or shills for whatever transnational corporation hold their purse strings) rather than holding up its end of the bargain as the Fourth Estate.

I used to think people were just apathetic and stupid, now I lean towards the thought that most people are just ignorant or so cynical that they choose to ignore any information that comes out about these Constitutional issues. There's too many people too invested in "their side" scoring political points to be objectively critical about the people that run this country (world?).

All I can say is that I hope more people like Glen Greenwald keep trying to expose these abuses to the light of day ... and I hope he doesn't have an "accident."

The parties and the media have become polarized. It used to be you could watch CrossFire or Hannity & Colmes and get both sides' view of an issue. CrossFire's been off the air for years, and it's been Hannity's show solo for years. I might have been open to voting for a republican under some circumstances, but now I find them to be both scary and utter morons.

There's some hope with the Tea Party guys - we need Rand Paul to filibuster these NSA spying bills when they come up.

See http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-paul-peter-king-clash-over-nsa-surveillance/

The upper courts have been fine, it seems to me. There's 5 conservative justices and they passed ObamaCare and gay marriage. Abortion still is legal. Not so partisan. If anything, they're reticent to take on the issues and resolve them. They're much more likely to focus on as narrow a question in the case as they can. No Brown v. Board of Education style rulings (Fix it everywhere with all due haste!).

The FISA courts are following the law as set by congress. Yes, congress is failing, but what else is new?
 
The Huffington Post tried to portray Greenwald's comments as some kind of promised vendetta or "vengeance." The Washington Post added some context in their story afterward.
 
I used to roll my eyes and sneer at the tinfoil hat brigade. I still sneer, but I no longer roll my eyes.
 
Seems the NSA has been caught spying on the UN and on 80 countries through their embassies.

Der Spiegel (German news magazine) reported it today.

We're talking hacking into computer systems and networks and bugging and the whole 9 yards. Much of the information was that this went on in 2012. Blame Bush.
 
I used to roll my eyes and sneer at the tinfoil hat brigade. I still sneer, but I no longer roll my eyes.

As soon as they have their own president, the Republican-owned mass media will carry public opinion about spies back to where it was. It's all political. The only people who really care are those who oppose their own president on issues.
 
Seems the NSA has been caught spying on the UN and on 80 countries through their embassies.

Der Spiegel (German news magazine) reported it today.

We're talking hacking into computer systems and networks and bugging and the whole 9 yards. Much of the information was that this went on in 2012. Blame Bush.

I blame everybody - Bush, Obama, doesn't matter. And when the next party hack gets elected (from either major party) it'll be much the same.
 

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