Nurk extension?

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Mr. Robot said:
zach collins just got 3/22 (2nd year partially guaranteed, 3rd year non-guaranteed, total 10 mil guaranteed money)

hes bigger red flag than nurk when it comes to health and hes not as good as nurk
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He might be a bigger red flag, but I'm guessing that's about what Nurk would be worth after a 2nd major injury. I'm also guessing Nurk could get an extension right now for a lot more than $10m guaranteed, so he would be risking a lot of money by riding out another year. How big is the risk? Who knows, but there certainly is a risk, and you do have to look too far back to see other players who turned down extension offers that probably regret it down.

Again, not saying what Nurk should or shouldn't do, but to say there is no incentive for Nurk to look in a big deal, I disagree with.
 
Tince said:
He might be a bigger red flag, but I'm guessing that's about what Nurk would be worth after a 2nd major injury. I'm also guessing Nurk could get an extension right now for a lot more than $10m guaranteed, so he would be risking a lot of money by riding out another year. How big is the risk? Who knows, but there certainly is a risk, and you do have to look too far back to see other players who turned down extension offers that probably regret it down.

Again, not saying what Nurk should or shouldn't do, but to say there is no incentive for Nurk to look in a big deal, I disagree with.
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its not the same situation as with nerlens noel, it was his first contract extension and idiot rejected 4/70 or something

nurk already got his first big contract extension (4/48), so he can afford to bet on himself... with his injury history its a risk, but too many things go in his favor right know, so betting on himself would be calculated risk
 
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I wouldn't extend it now. Let him prove that he can stay healthy and is working to improve his game. Sure it's a risk that may make him a lot more expensive but it's a risk to sign him to a big extension and getting what we have been getting.
 
e_blazer said:
That's right, I'd forgotten that one. It certainly wasn't as big of an injury as the others since it only kept him out a few weeks, but still a break.
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True, the main point is you cant rely on him. I don't think he is in a position to bet on him
 
Labinot41 said:
True, the main point is you cant rely on him. I don't think he is in a position to bet on him
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I seriously doubt that Olshey has any intention of offering Nurk an extension at this point. As I see it, Nurk's future with the Blazers is tied to Dame. If Dame wants out by the deadline or over next summer, then I would think that the Blazers would let Nurk walk after this season.
 
Mr. Robot said:
my guess is nurk wont sign extension, unless its at least 20 per year, otherwise he will bet on himself

of course, im not nurk, nor his agent, so who knows... blazers will try to do whats best for them and nurk & his agent will try to do whats best for nurk
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I love Nurk. But unless he breaks out, has a beast mode year, and develops a "Sky Hook" type signature shot, no way does he come close to 20 per. Only MAX players are gonna get that kind of money going forward. Role guys will cap around 15 per. Powell is a different kind of role player with a higher ceiling.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I wouldn't extend it now. Let him prove that he can stay healthy and is working to improve his game. Sure it's a risk that may make him a lot more expensive but it's a risk to sign him to a big extension and getting what we have been getting.
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I would be sooooooo happy if Nurk proved he was worth a bunch more. Sooooooo Very Happy!
 
tykendo said:
I love Nurk. But unless he BREAKS out, has a beast mode year, and develops a "Sky Hook" type signature shot, no way does he come close to 20 per.
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Be careful speaking about a Blazer center and using that word. You also should never talk about the joint between the ankle and the hip.
 
tykendo said:
I love Nurk. But unless he breaks out, has a beast mode year, and develops a "Sky Hook" type signature shot, no way does he come close to 20 per. Only MAX players are gonna get that kind of money going forward. Role guys will cap around 15 per. Powell is a different kind of role player with a higher ceiling.
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how on earth does powell have higher ceiling than nurk, he has higher ceiling in health, that for sure

steven adams signed 2/35, average 17,5 per

jarrett allen signed 5/100, 20 per

jonas valanciunas signed 3/45, 15 per

nurk is better than all these guys, the only thing they have over nurk is health and i cant bother to look some other centers contracts
 
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Mr. Robot said:
how on earth does powell have higher ceiling than nurk, he has higher ceiling in health, that for sure

steven adams signed 2/35, average 17,5 per

jarrett allen signed 5/100, 20 per

jonas valanciunas signed 3/45, 15 per

nurk is better than all these guys, the only thing they have over nurk is health and i cant bother to look some other centers contracts
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Adams was a severe overpay last year and NO effectively gave up a pick to dump him a year after.

Allen was a RFA. And he's closer to Gobert in his ability to protect the rim than Nurk. I don't think Nurk is better than him at all.

Valanciunas' is a decent comparison, but he had a very team friendly declining deal. This is probably the most apt one.

I think Nurk will be comparable to these recent signings:

Holmes (21): 4 yrs, 46 mil
Noel (21): 3 yrs, 27 mil
Brolo (19): 4 yrs, 52 mil
Thompson (20): 2 yrs, 19 mil

And the idiotic signings
Horford: 4 yrs, 109 mil
Dedmon: 3 yrs, 40 mil

I don't see any universe where Nurk gets >15 mil unless he becomes an all star while staying healthy all year.
 
If we don't get Nurk to sign an extension by the trade deadline, I think you deal him. If he's stayed healthy to that point in the season, he has trade value and we just can't let that value and his 12M in salary walk out the door without any return.
 
illmatic99 said:
Adams was a severe overpay last year and NO effectively gave up a pick to dump him a year after.

Allen was a RFA. And he's closer to Gobert in his ability to protect the rim than Nurk. I don't think Nurk is better than him at all.

Valanciunas' is a decent comparison, but he had a very team friendly declining deal. This is probably the most apt one.

I think Nurk will be comparable to these recent signings:

Holmes (21): 4 yrs, 46 mil
Noel (21): 3 yrs, 27 mil
Brolo (19): 4 yrs, 52 mil
Thompson (20): 2 yrs, 19 mil

And the idiotic signings
Horford: 4 yrs, 109 mil
Dedmon: 3 yrs, 40 mil

I don't see any universe where Nurk gets >15 mil unless he becomes an all star while staying healthy all year.
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are you being serious comparing nurk to holmes, noel, brolo & thompson

wow, just wow
 
Mr. Robot said:
how on earth does powell have higher ceiling than nurk, he has higher ceiling in health, that for sure

steven adams signed 2/35, average 17,5 per

jarrett allen signed 5/100, 20 per

jonas valanciunas signed 3/45, 15 per

nurk is better than all these guys, the only thing they have over nurk is health and i cant bother to look some other centers contracts
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I said to achieve the higher salary he will have to return to Beast mode & develop a signature shot. He hasn't done that YET! I hope he does, because i believe he has the ability as well. But until then, he's not getting near 20 mil. IMO.
 
I did say higher ceiling on Powell as a role player. What i meant was as an all around talent, so i didn't explain that well.
 
Mr. Robot said:
its not the same situation as with nerlens noel, it was his first contract extension and idiot rejected 4/70 or something

nurk already got his first big contract extension (4/48), so he can afford to bet on himself... with his injury history its a risk, but too many things go in his favor right know, so betting on himself would be calculated risk
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Again, I'm not saying that the risk/reward might not be in Nurk's favor to not sign an extension. I could argue Nurk would be silly to not take the max extension, but also argue it wouldn't wise for him to take a 4 year, $20m extension.

I am saying that your assessment that there is "no incentive" for Nurk to take guaranteed money is inaccurate. There are scenariors where the extension would pay off, from a monetary an mental standpoint.
 
blazerkor said:
If we don't get Nurk to sign an extension by the trade deadline, I think you deal him. If he's stayed healthy to that point in the season, he has trade value and we just can't let that value and his 12M in salary walk out the door without any return.
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Nurk won't walk out the door as long as Lillard is here, and if Lillard is gone we won't be interested.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Nurk won't walk out the door as long as Lillard is here, and if Lillard is gone we won't be interested.
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I don't think that is accurate about Nurk being attached to Dame if he's not feeling the way Chauncey is using him and/or the money we're offering. As far as if Dame is traded goes and us not being interested... are we interested in watching someone with trade value and a current salary of 12M vanish? That's not how teams win championships. We have to get value back for a guy as good as Nurk (if he can stay healthy).

Your comments about Nurk do illustrate something very well. This team is completely up in the air right now. It's crazy.
 
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tykendo said:
Not on defense. Offense yes. Better all around shooter.
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He stays on the court on defense. Nurk tends to get into foul trouble way too quickly. IMO that is very bad defensive play. Also he doesn't get injured at nearly the rate Nurk seems to.
Just my opinion. Jonas is a better all around player. At least to this point.
He also seems to know when to dunk the ball.
 
If healthy I think he’s going to make huge jump from last year. I was probably one of the few that was happy with his progress last year. Defense was noticably different when he was in the game and I saw him doing a much better job finishing his shots. I think he’s top 8 center in the league
 
1 Eye Jack said:
If healthy I think he’s going to make huge jump from last year. I was probably one of the few that was happy with his progress last year. Defense was noticably different when he was in the game and I saw him doing a much better job finishing his shots. I think he’s top 8 center in the league
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I'm a bit negative on Nurk to this point.
Believe me I sure hope you are right.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
If healthy I think he’s going to make huge jump from last year. I was probably one of the few that was happy with his progress last year. Defense was noticably different when he was in the game and I saw him doing a much better job finishing his shots. I think he’s top 8 center in the league
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I agree. I thought i saw him scraping off the injury rust and improving as the last part of the season went on.
i think Nurk wants to play team ball. I dont think he cares who scores as long as he is part of the play, screening, passing, whatever. He wants to be in olved. Keep him involved will keep him sharp and focused and will spread everything out.

just forcthe love of God dont turn into a 3pt wannabe shooter. We don't need that from him with this roster. One every few games is fine, but not a few a game.
 
I think Coach Billips will be great for Nurk's game. And the result will be Many wins for PDX, and many dollars for Nurk's bank account.
 
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