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HailBlazers said:
Yeah I sure wish we had Mitchell Robinson, Robert Williams, or Dwight Powell instead! :nerd:
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You might be on your own with that silliness, but since in the bigger picture, I though the overall point was more obvioius, I'll try to do much better next time. :cheers:
 
BBert said:
Now that Dame is the team's patriarch, and with a good young team around him, I think he may be just fine not having to carry the team on his back every night.

:cheers:
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it will also allow him to make an extra effort on defensive end of the floor
 
TBpup said:
Props to Nurk for putting up more significant numbers. Unfortunately, they are not very efficient numbers. He ranks #42 in eFG% where the top 8 in that category all play Center. He is the 16th ranked Center on that list. eFG% can be picked apart, and likely someone will, but he still doesn't convert at a very high rate no matter how it is spun. If he would just finish stronger at the rim, instead of being so finesse oriented.
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Joel Embiid is ranked 64th in eFG%, just ahead of CJ McCollum. How's that for picking it apart?

Nurk is shooting a career high 53.5% and unlike some centers he creates a significant number of his own shots as opposed to just dunks and tip-ins. Maybe you think the obscure stat of FG% is spinning it?
 
Big men have a tradition of not being happy with their roles on offense and that carrying over. That's nothing new under the sun. Shaq did it. Dwight did it. And Nurk has done it. If you want their best selves, you must have them engaged on offense. I don't understand the vitriol some Blazers fans have towards Nurk. He's been our best big man in a very long time and when used correctly, he's a top 5.
 
noknobs said:
Joel Embiid is ranked 64th in eFG%, just ahead of CJ McCollum. How's that for picking it apart?

Nurk is shooting a career high 53.5% and unlike some centers he creates a significant number of his own shots as opposed to just dunks and tip-ins. Maybe you think the obscure stat of FG% is spinning it?
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If you would like to compare Embiid who may end up being the MVP, and Nurk, feel free.
 
noknobs said:
I'm comparing their eFG% which you seem to put quite a lot of importance in.
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I do? Was just posting a ranking....and the horrible premise I would like Nurk to be more efficient from the field.
 
TBpup said:
I do? Was just posting a ranking....and the horrible premise I would like Nurk to be more efficient from the field.
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I assume you do since that's the only stat you used.

53.5% from the field for a guy who often creates his own shots doesn't seem that egregious to me.
 
nurk will never be efficient like gobert or capela, their playing style is nothing alike (nurk is more skilled offensively) and hes not naturally talented on the offensive side of the floor like kat or jokic or embiid

there are four centers better than current nurk (jokic, embiid, kat & gobert), after that i dont know if theres anyone else for whom you can say thats clearly better than nurk, but we can have a discussion
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk will never be efficient like gobert or capela, their playing style is nothing alike (nurk is more skilled offensively) and hes not naturally talented on the offensive side of the floor like kat or jokic or embiid

there are four center better than currecnt nurk (jokic, embiid, kat & gobert), after that i dont know if theres anyone else for whom you can say thats clearly better than current nurk, but we can have a disucssion
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Current Nurk is good. I hope that can be the consistent version if he re-signs here.
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk will never be efficient like gobert or capela, their playing style is nothing alike (nurk is more skilled offensively) and hes not naturally talented on the offensive side of the floor like kat or jokic or embiid

there are four centers better than current nurk (jokic, embiid, kat & gobert), after that i dont know if theres anyone else for whom you can say thats clearly better than nurk, but we can have a discussion
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Just my opinion, but I think Nurk is better than KAT. At his best Nurk will give the other 3 problems as well.
 
Mr. Robot said:
he should give it a chance, these players have shown they can score and handle the ball too and that dame shouldnt carry this team, but rather be a difference maker
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Exactly my point!
 
if certain things didnt happen (dame & cj mccollum injuries, powell issues), nurk wouldve been traded most likely (jason quick was often saying that nurk & roco will most likely get traded and even jake fischer was saying the same), as "role player" nurk wasnt someone who should be "untouchable" (neither he should be now, but you get the point, current nurk is much better player than "role player" nurk), so those guys being out allowed nurk, ant & little to emerge with bigger roles and that showed a lot to chauncey billups & front office, it showed that cj mccollum & powell need to get traded and that we wont miss them with the way nurk, ant & little have been playing, team looked balanced and there was great chemistry between them

after nurk emerged with bigger role, trail blazers completely changed their perspective about him and after we got hart & winslow, our defense became much better (theres a good chance that was lucky incident or maybe front office & billups knew what they were doing all along) and nurk also proved to be a great fit with these guys too, so they become even more convinced about their decision to re-sign nurk

nurk is showing that he can deliver with the bigger role and we saw that hes great fit with dame, ant, little, hart & winslow and he really likes chauncey billups and trail blazers became aware thats the guy you simply have to keep, simple as that!
 
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Mr. Robot said:
if certain things didnt happen (dame & cj mccollum injuries, powell issues), nurk wouldve been traded most likely (jason quick was often saying that nurk & roco will most likely get traded and even jake fischer was saying the same), as "role player" nurk wasnt someone who should be "untouchable" (neither he should be now, but you get the point, current nurk is much better player than "role player" nurk), so those guys being out allowed nurk, ant & little to emerge with bigger roles and that showed a lot to chauncey billups & front office, it showed that cj mccollum & powell need to get traded and that we wont miss them with the way nurk, ant & little have been playing, team looked balanced and there was great chemistry between them

after nurk emerged with bigger role, trail blazers completely changed their perspective about him and after we got hart & winslow, our defense became much better (theres a good chance that was lucky incident or maybe front office & billups knew what they were doing all along) and nurk also proved to be a great fit with these guys too, so they become even convinced about their decision to re-sign nurk

nurk is showing that he can deliver with the bigger role and we saw that hes great fit with dame, ant, little, hart & winslow and he really likes chauncey billups and trail blazers become aware thats the guy you simply have to keep, simple as that!
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We were always better when he was our #2 option. Unfortunately, neither Stotts or CJ agreed.
 
i really want him to work entire off-season and improve his low post game and also to keep working on his 3-pointer

as of now, nurk basically have one move at the low post (spin move), but if he can improve that part of his game (combined with big body & strength), he will become force to be reckoned with

man, god willing, we could be a really, really good team next season, hopefully nurk, ant & little improve further in the off-season
 
TBpup said:
Very engaged and happy. My concern is, players seem to get very engaged in contract years. We've seen it over and over again. What happens after he gets more money, and then Dame/Ant are taking 35-40 shots a game and he is back to getting 6-8 shots?
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Why would the team go back to playing like that? Nurkic won't be the only unhappy one. It's a big FU to how they are playing now.
 
Strenuus said:
This is gonna be tangential, but one of the things we are gonna learn is if dame lowers his usage coming back, being a more up tempo team.

He's still gonna take the most shots in the team, but will it reduce? That's one of the things I'm intrigued by with him coming back.
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Shot quantity shouldn't be the issue. To me it's shot quality. Are we going to see crappy box scores again where one of ant or lillard shoot 8 for 21 for 20 points? For me that's an instant fail for that backcourt.
 
Hoopguru said:
I know, but will we want too? With Dames extension and Ant getting paid with hopes of bringing in another star front court player? There are teams that would like a center that can board, pass and play some D. In both conferences there are big centers on some of the contenders and some w/o. He's bet on himself and you know who his agent is, he's going to get wooed.
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Well, then maybe those teams will be interested in trading for the right to pay him.

It's a good problem to have.
 
8 centers better than Nurk:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Gobert
Jonas
Ayton
Sabonis
Bam

Sure, Nurk plays like Top 5 sometimes but the above players are more consistent.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
8 centers better than Nurk:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Gobert
Jonas
Ayton
Sabonis
Bam

Sure, Nurk plays like Top 5 sometimes but the above players are more consistent.
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I'd put Nurk and Valuciunas in a tier directly below the top-7. I'd move Jarrett Allen into Nurk's tier with Val. Mobley and Wood would be in the tier directly below Nurk, but they have lots of upside
 
KSF-ERIC said:
8 centers better than Nurk:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Gobert
Jonas
Ayton
Sabonis
Bam

Sure, Nurk plays like Top 5 sometimes but the above players are more consistent.
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if nurk can play consistently like hes been playing with the bigger role, id put him in the top 5, but sure, someone might say its adebayo or sabonis or ayton

the thing is, nurk never had bigger role consistently
 
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