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andalusian said:
The issue is with nurk, he is an aweful post player, try to sort this list by efg% and see who brings the rear in the nba
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He is full of awe?

Here's what you were talking about:
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Hey look - he's nearly as good as LeBron!
 
Rastapopoulos sticking up for a Euro player.

I never would have thought that would happen!
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Nurk is a whiny dude. Lets get what we can from him if he is gonna be passive aggressive. Maybe he is the player not buying in.
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1. Wow, if the player not buying in is STILL our best player, what does that say about Chauncey's scheme?
2. I believe Quick (whom we have to thank for this specific rumor) specifically ruled out Nurk.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think that reveals what you may think it does

what is says to me is that Portland does not have the talent to be a winning team if Dame is not playing at an elite level. 6 years after Aldridge left and Portland still completely depends on Dame to carry the team. That's not on Dame, it's on management

besides that, 4 of those net points are at the FT line...welcome to the new rules
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We definitely don’t have the talent to be much of a winning team with Dame playing like this - maybe a tad over 0.500 and yes that’s on management. I was much more interested in seeing Olshey gone than Stotts.

My point was that our lack of winning so far relative to fan expectations can be explained almost entirely by Dame’s poor play compared to the past. It’s not due to Nurk, which was the claim made and what I was responding to.
 
bobf said:
We definitely don’t have the talent to be much of a winning team with Dame playing like this - maybe a tad over 0.500 and yes that’s on management. I was much more interested in seeing Olshey gone than Stotts.

My point was that our lack of winning so far relative to fan expectations can be explained almost entirely by Dame’s poor play compared to the past. It’s not due to Nurk, which was the claim made and what I was responding to.
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I think Nurk's been fine. But he hasn't been good enough to already be bitching about his role

and I understand what you're saying about Dame. It's a simple concept. What I'm saying is why the fuck aren't Dame's teammates picking up the slack of him not producing points as well; especially considering he's at career highs for assists and assist/turnover ratio. He's only struggling in scoring. Seems like a luxury tax payroll could make up for 6 points when scoring across the NBA is down 4.3 points
 
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Okay, I read the translation thing.
I can't get too worked up about that. "Like" doesn't mean much. If I was a role player and a fan said "Hey buddy, you're Michael fucking Jordan! You're too good for those bums!" I might easily like it just to say "thanks for the love, delusional fan!" In this case it might even just mean "hey, fellow Bosnian speaker! I see you!"
How many "likes" does he give out?

I mean, I hate to sound like a Grandpa (or, God help me, John Cleese), but this sounds like a rush to judgement about very weak tea. Let the guy blow off steam. Shows he gets emotional. Draymond does shit like this every day.
 
Here's another stat about Nurk: this is a (flawed) measure of how much you contribute besides scoring:

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Nurk's more than holding up his side.
 
wizenheimer said:
interesting.

* he's averaging 0.18 ppp on postups; 7.3% of his offense. It's not enough to move above zero on the percentile scale
* last year he averaged 0.74 ppp which was only the 17th percentile (Kanter averaged 1.03 ppp; 68th percentile)
* in 2018-19 he averaged 0.86 ppp; 33rd percentile

* as the PnR roll-man Nurk is averaging 1.12 ppp which is the 54th percentile (38% of his offense)
* last year, 1.13 ppp which was 53rd percentile; Kanter averaged 1.20 which was 69th percentile

* on putbacks, he's averaging 1.29 ppp which is 70th percentile (16% of his offense) (Richaun Holmes avg, is 1.37 ppp)

* on cuts, he's averaging 1.37 ppp; 66th percentile (20% of his offense)

he's obviously not elite at any type of big man offense. I'm not sure he's even average.
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When you say “he’s averaging” without citing a year is that this year or career? How is PPP calculated? 0.86 PPP in 2018-2019 seems highly fishy but I’ll wait to see how it’s calculated.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's another stat about Nurk: this is a (flawed) measure of how much you contribute besides scoring:

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Nurk's more than holding up his side.
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ok...but this tread is about Nurkic bitching about his role. I doubt he's thinking about defense or rebounding or screens, but about shots and usage
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...but this tread is about Nurkic bitching about his role. I doubt he's thinking about defense or rebounding or screens, but about shots and usage
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Everyone is mind reading Nurk. It could be about shots. It could also be a style if play where the ball goes through Nurk more instead of Dame and CJ pounding the ball.
 
nurk doesnt like iso bball, he likes when we move the ball, so called team bball

he was 15 ppg player, now hes 11 ppg with career low fga, i dont think he likes that

wherever nurk ends up, at the very least hell have the same role on offense he has now, but in best case scenario, hell have a bigger role and maybe he wont be part of the unwatchable offense like ours
 
The underlying issue here is that this is a contract year for Nurk. Before you shell out big bucks to re-sign him, you need to answer 3 questions.

1) Is he the player he was before the injury?
2) Does he really want to be here?
3) Is he the type of center we need?

At this point, I'm not sure what the answers are. We need to get this right.
 
bobf said:
Everyone is mind reading Nurk. It could be about shots. It could also be a style if play where the ball goes through Nurk more instead of Dame and CJ pounding the ball.
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Nurkic touches: 49.3 this year; 51.4 last year. So, 2.1 fewer touches. About a 4% reduction. Doesn't seem like much but I suppose if he was thinking that Billups was going to involve him more, like he said, it would be disappointing

just to be clear, I think Nurk has been real solid this season, especially on the glass and on defense. But I question if he should be making waves 13 games into the season of a 1st year HC when a lot of things aren't working well for Portland

by the way, Dame has the ball in his hands for 392 seconds a game this season. Last season, he had the ball in his hands 501 seconds a game. Almost 2 minutes less this year. Dame dribbles 356 times a game this year. Last season, he dribbled 457 times a game. 101 fewer dribbles. Looks like CJ has simlar reductions although by not as much

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/t...ir=1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular Season
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1
 
Nurk is who he is and who he has always been, expecting things to change into year 8 of his NBA career is unreasonable. He is an above-average defender and a below-average offensive player. Unfortunately for him, he is more suited for the NBA of 10 years ago than the NBA of today. He is attractive to Portland mostly because they play so many small players and he is a great last line of defense. In a way, Nurk's attractiveness to Portland is because they insist on playing CJ and Dame together. Frankly, the modern NBA has evolved to what we see with Miami for example, bigger wings, more mobile center (Bam). Once the Blazers adjust the roster makeup - I just do not see why Portland would go out of their way to retain him.

Frankly, if I were put in charge of the Blazers, I would seriously look at ways to replace CJ and Nurk with either a couple of bigger wings or a wing and a mobile center - it's time to bring the team roster to the modern NBA and stop being cute with whatever is left of Dame's prime.
 
wizenheimer said:
I question if he should be making waves 13 games into the season of a 1st year HC when a lot of things aren't working well for Portland
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If this counts as "making waves" then once again I feel very old and out of touch. I question whether Chauncey would even be aware of this unless somebody made it their business to call it to his attention.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If this counts as "making waves" then once again I feel very old and out of touch. I question whether Chauncey would even be aware of this unless somebody made it their business to call it to his attention.
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If you don't think that teams monitor their players' social media then you are a bit out of touch. I guarantee every team has people checking all of their players' socials and reporting the info back. I'm also sure the coaching staff is kept up to date. If a team has a tool to gain insight into where their players' heads are at, why on earth wouldn't they use it?
 
Looking at those stats Nurk might make the all star team this year.

That would be nice in a contract year.
 
wizenheimer said:
Nurkic touches: 49.3 this year; 51.4 last year. So, 2.1 fewer touches. About a 4% reduction. Doesn't seem like much but I suppose if he was thinking that Billups was going to involve him more, like he said, it would be disappointing

just to be clear, I think Nurk has been real solid this season, especially on the glass and on defense. But I question if he should be making waves 13 games into the season of a 1st year HC when a lot of things aren't working well for Portland

by the way, Dame has the ball in his hands for 392 seconds a game this season. Last season, he had the ball in his hands 501 seconds a game. Almost 2 minutes less this year. Dame dribbles 356 times a game this year. Last season, he dribbled 457 times a game. 101 fewer dribbles. Looks like CJ has simlar reductions although by not as much

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular Season
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1
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Interesting. Yeah I’d prefer Nurk wouldn’t bitch.

I do want to know how PPP is calculated as you cited or where I can find out.

In 2018-2019 Nurk’s PPP ie points per major possession rivaled Dame’s, the way I calculate it at least. I am using actual possessions not estimated. I’m also giving a bonus for fouls drawn and for points following a players missed shot even if that player didn’t score - because some player’s shots generate significantly more offensive rebounds than others. But even without those adjustments Nurk’s PPP will rival Dame’s.

Also I’d put PPP in the category of “scoring” rather than “offense” which is broader - incudes things like assists, screens, offensive rebounds - of course harder to measure.

But in 2018-2019 Nurk was quite efficient. And this year he is way more efficient than Dame or CJ.
 
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