Notice Nurk On His Way Out?

[tykendo]

Ayton would cost the team too much in terms of money , and how much talent they can assemble with their cap flexibility. Makes no sense. I think the team can acquire OG Anunoby for their 7th pick. Then hopefully they could acquire John Collins from the Hawks for the Bucks pick, (throw in a second pick if necessary) and cap relief, the Hawks so badly need and want. That is best case scenario IMO. Then you get to keep the Bench depth with Hart, an underrated developing Nas Little, and Joe Ingles. Along with Eubanks (I think he's a quality backup C) & Watford, that's pretty dog gone good.

 

[blazerkor]

Ayton would cost the team too much in terms of money , and how much talent they can assemble with their cap flexibility. Makes no sense. I think the team can acquire OG Anunoby for their 7th pick. Then hopefully they could acquire John Collins from the Hawks for the Bucks pick, (throw in a second pick if necessary) and cap relief, the Hawks so badly need and want. That is best case scenario IMO. Then you get to keep the Bench depth with Hart, an underrated developing Nas Little, and Joe Ingles. Along with Eubanks (I think he's a quality backup C) & Watford, that's pretty dog gone good.

If we could get the Collins deal done before we pulled the trigger on moving our pick for only one of the two starting forwards we need, I'd feel really good about it.

 

[Wade Garrett]

Ayton would cost the team too much in terms of money , and how much talent they can assemble with their cap flexibility. Makes no sense. I think the team can acquire OG Anunoby for their 7th pick. Then hopefully they could acquire John Collins from the Hawks for the Bucks pick, (throw in a second pick if necessary) and cap relief, the Hawks so badly need and want. That is best case scenario IMO. Then you get to keep the Bench depth with Hart, an underrated developing Nas Little, and Joe Ingles. Along with Eubanks (I think he's a quality backup C) & Watford, that's pretty dog gone good.

I agree about Ayton...and OG.....and Eubanks....and Trendon...and Ingles...
You're gonna have to sell me on John Collins, though. And if we were to get OG, why would we need Little? (I'm not a Little fan)..
Quite frankly, I'd rather have Nurk seven days a week over Collins.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I feel there are too many memories of Nurkic with Stotts as coach.
Since Chauncey has arrived, Nurk is not pouting. In fact, I remember a game last year where Nurk came out of the game and gave Coach Billups a big ol' bear hug on the sidelines! (he was later talked to about that and Coach told him not to do that!)...
Point is, Nurk is happy.
When he is happy, and healthy, I am of the belief he can be borderline unstoppable. I've/we've seen it, just not enough.
I look for that to be more consistent going forward, because of the time with Coach, and the infusion of new attitude on the team.
In fact, Nurk has the potential to actually be this teams #2 on occasion.
Going into last season, I was pretty much done with him, but I have seen enough to be back on the Beastmobile.

Hope so. Way it looks to me is they are paying him and he will be here. Hope we get the best beast yet!

 

[tykendo]

I agree about Ayton...and OG.....and Eubanks....and Trendon...and Ingles...
You're gonna have to sell me on John Collins, though. And if we were to get OG, why would we need Little? (I'm not a Little fan)..
Quite frankly, I'd rather have Nurk seven days a week over Collins.

I get what your saying, but i truly believe that John Collins playing besides an underrated facilitator in Dame, would revitalize his career. And Nurk would still be the center with Collins being the 1st quality PF (ability wise) since LaMarcus.

 

[Haakzilla]

I get what your saying, but i truly believe that John Collins playing besides an underrated facilitator in Dame, would revitalize his career. And Nurk would still be the center with Collins being the 1st quality PF (ability wise) since LaMarcus.

...who is a better facilitator though, Dame or Trae? Collins does seem most similar to LMA, but I don't know if that is a good thing if he's going to play as soft as the marshmallow.

 

[Chris Craig]

Me too. But he hasn't been the beast (consistently) for a while. :/

Exactly

 

[Phatguysrule]

I thought I was the only one who wanted to sell high on Ant and keep Hart...who is a perfect 2 guard...I also really want us to have Eubanks coming off the bench..loved his hustle and hook shot

I'd be good with it as well.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'd be good with it as well.

Depending on the haul, i think id prefer it.
I don't see why we cant sign and trade Ant with a pick to nail a solid starter. In a forward position.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Depending on the haul, i think id prefer it.
I don't see why we cant sign and trade Ant with a pick to nail a solid starter. In a forward position.

Mostly because there are a lot of roadblocks to that, namely that Ant would have to want to go to the team we'd be trading him to, they'd need to want him at the salary he'd command, and that the raise he'd inevitably receive would make him a base-year-contract, which is very difficult to match in trades (of course, not relevant of the player we receive fits into the TPE).

So I guess I'd ask you what trade suggestion you'd make that would fit all those criteria?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Mostly because there are a lot of roadblocks to that, namely that Ant would have to want to go to the team we'd be trading him to, they'd need to want him at the salary he'd command, and that the raise he'd inevitably receive would make him a base-year-contract, which is very difficult to match in trades (of course, not relevant of the player we receive fits into the TPE).

So I guess I'd ask you what trade suggestion you'd make that would fit all those criteria?

Why are you making me think on rest day?
I posed the statement for others like yourself to just figure it out!
I shall see your question with an answer before the day is over sir!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why are you making me think on rest day?
I posed the statement for others like yourself to just figure it out!
I shall see your question with an answer before the day is over sir!

Looking forward to it; I just hope it's someone more compelling than Kyle Kuzma (the first guy I thought of who might fit the bill, but also made me throw up in my mouth a little bit).

 

[Phatguysrule]

Depending on the haul, i think id prefer it.
I don't see why we cant sign and trade Ant with a pick to nail a solid starter. In a forward position.

I think we can get a solid starter or two without including Ant. Including Ant should get us an All Star.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Looking forward to it; I just hope it's someone more compelling than Kyle Kuzma (the first guy I thought of who might fit the bill, but also made me throw up in my mouth a little bit).

We can do better than that without dealing Ant, IMO.

I think we can get Randle and Grant without including Ant. If including Ant doesn't bring us a legit Star then I'm not sending him anywhere right now.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think we can get a solid starter or two without including Ant. Including Ant should get us an All Star.

I don't disagree; I just can't think of an all-star (or all-star-caliber) player that would be available from a team who would want Ant in exchange.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think we can get a solid starter or two without including Ant. Including Ant should get us an All Star.

that is what people said about trading CJ for 6 years

nothing guarantees failure like expecting to trade a quarter for a dollar

 

[Phatguysrule]

that is what people said about trading CJ for 6 years

nothing guarantees failure like expecting to trade a quarter for a dollar

Except we didn't have a #7 pick to pair with CJ and Ant doesn't have CJ's contract.

If we can get Randle and Grant for 7 and change without including Ant, why would we include him? And Randle has already been an all star, and is considered a top 10 power forward.

I don't think Ant needs to be traded like CJ did, because we have Hart.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't disagree; I just can't think of an all-star (or all-star-caliber) player that would be available from a team who would want Ant in exchange.

Agreed. Them I'm 100% fine with keeping Ant.

But if we can get a legit star with #7 and Ant I'm all over it...

 

[blazerfan11]

I would trade Lillard to the Bulls for Lonzo Ball and Patrick Williams. Or something similar. Get Lonzo and and another meaningful player who plays forward.
Then use our draft pick on Jalen Duren.
Can you imagine Lonzo throwing lobs to Duren and passes out to Ant for 3-pointers? I can.
And Lillard ends up in a very good spot.

 

[blazerfan11]

I would trade Lillard to the Bulls for Lonzo Ball and Patrick Williams. Or something similar. Get Lonzo and and another meaningful player who plays forward.
Then use our draft pick on Jalen Duren.
Can you imagine Lonzo throwing lobs to Duren and passes out to Ant for 3-pointers? I can.
And Lillard ends up in a very good spot.

Oh yeah, I want our draft pick back too.

 

[wizenheimer]

Except we didn't have a #7 pick to pair with CJ and Ant doesn't have CJ's contract.

If we can get Randle and Grant for 7 and change without including Ant, why would we include him? And Randle has already been an all star, and is considered a top 10 power forward.

I don't think Ant needs to be traded like CJ did, because we have Hart.

you're correct of course

I just kind of missed you saying "including Ant" in a package instead of Ant's generic trade value. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet

 

[Phatguysrule]

you're correct of course

I just kind of missed you saying "including Ant" in a package instead of Ant's generic trade value. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet

No worries, I may have edited it immediately after posting to include that.

I need to do a better job of making edits clear when I'm posting from my phone.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Looking forward to it; I just hope it's someone more compelling than Kyle Kuzma (the first guy I thought of who might fit the bill, but also made me throw up in my mouth a little bit).

I think we can get a solid starter or two without including Ant. Including Ant should get us an All Star.

Swing for the fences Gents!




So my thought is this:
We include the #7 pick to Miami in this trade to offset and they can draft another player that is more in line with Simons and Bam's ageline as well as Markelle Fultz. Not sure Orlando likes the deal, but maybe give them our 2025 pick to compensate? Would that be enough?They suck and have crap management, so lets see if Cronin can earn his pay and make them sway.

Bam is younger & Dame is Older. So the Simons/Bam age works like the Dame/Butler age works out very well.

Simons will love Miami.

We would look like this:

Dame/??(Our second round draft? Could we trade our #7 down to 9 & 20 and give #9 to Miami? would that be enough and use #20 on a backup PG?)
Hart/Tucker/Johnson
Butler/Nas
Winslow/Watford
Nurk/R.Lopez

Use our TPE to go after a PF?

I would be pretty happy overall if we went into next season with something like that. I think that's some serious defense and enough offensive options to put around Dame. Bench could use some help, but we could see how it goes and tweak at next year's deadline?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Swing for the fences Gents!


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So my thought is this:
We include the #7 pick to Miami in this trade to offset and they can draft another player that is more in line with Simons and Bam's ageline as well as Markelle Fultz. Not sure Orlando likes the deal, but maybe give them our 2025 pick to compensate? Would that be enough?They suck and have crap management, so lets see if Cronin can earn his pay and make them sway.

Bam is younger & Dame is Older. So the Simons/Bam age works like the Dame/Butler age works out very well.

Simons will love Miami.

We would look like this:

Dame/??(Our second round draft? Could we trade our #7 down to 9 & 20 and give #9 to Miami? would that be enough and use #20 on a backup PG?)
Hart/Tucker/Johnson
Butler/Nas
Winslow/Watford
Nurk/R.Lopez

Use our TPE to go after a PF?

I would be pretty happy overall if we went into next season with something like that. I think that's some serious defense and enough offensive options to put around Dame. Bench could use some help, but we could see how it goes and tweak at next year's deadline?

I don't see Miami blowing it up, but....Butler has always been someone I've wanted with Dame. I think they would be magic together. Wish we grabbed him when he was tossed around the league. Was always the high risk star available that made the most sense (more likely to be attainable than PG).

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I don't see Miami blowing it up, but....Butler has always been someone I've wanted with Dame. I think they would be magic together. Wish we grabbed him when he was tossed around the league. Was always the high risk star available that made the most sense (more likely to be attainable than PG).

I'm not sure I consider that a blowing it up? I think if it as a bit more of a retooling? Hoping they think they peaked with Butler last and this year? Lowry/Simons/Odebayo/Morris/Fultz/Herro, is a solid young squad I think would bed in the playoffs next year and just continue to grow and if they draft right with the pick we give them?


That's a solid young core in my opinion with Lowry as their captain. They would need to do a consolidation trade for their extra guards to get another PF, I think, But with that and their pick we give them? I think that's a solid future without having to hit bottom with a full rebuild.

 

[THE HCP]

I’m getting Jermaine O’Neal vibes from Ant….

 

[riverman]

I’m getting Jermaine O’Neal vibes from Ant….

Has he grown that much since the season? Are we trading him to Indy for their oldest over the hill vet? Ant needs a team...I love Ant as a 6 man for a reasonable deal though...you aren't shying on a Jimmy Butler for Ant deal anytime soon though. That's a needle mover.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

nothing guarantees failure like expecting to trade a quarter for a dollar

What if it's a really really old quarter?

 

[STOMP]

Swing for the fences Gents!

Dame/??(Our second round draft? Could we trade our #7 down to 9 & 20 and give #9 to Miami? would that be enough and use #20 on a backup PG?)
Hart/Tucker/Johnson
Butler/Nas
Winslow/Watford
Nurk/R.Lopez

Use our TPE to go after a PF? I would be pretty happy overall if we went into next season with something like that. I think that's some serious defense and enough offensive options to put around Dame. Bench could use some help, but we could see how it goes and tweak at next year's deadline?

I would be inconsolable. Out goes all the assets, in comes a 33, 38 & 35 year old . If they meshed immediately (hardly a given) & were really lucky with health, Portland might be a contender for a year maybe two. But regardless, after that short window there would be many years of absolute sucking as the roster turned over.

STOMP

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I would be inconsolable. Out goes all the assets, in comes a 33, 38 & 35 year old . If they meshed immediately (hardly a given) & were really lucky with health, Portland might be a contender for a year maybe two. But regardless, after that short window there would be many years of absolute sucking as the roster turned over.

STOMP

Mortgaging the future for a ring is something I have heard many willing to do.
Plus we still have Nas to build around! (Joke)

But the question was how to bring in a legit star. That isn't happening without giving something significant up.
We screwed the pooch not moving cj for him a few years back, as others have eluded.

What route would you take to pair Dame with a legit all star?