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You mean a died in the wool, no gimmick, young white qb? Huh....I suppose its worked elsewhere.
 
...I think I read that they have had 18 different starting QBs in the last 10 years.
 
...probably not all of them but I know I can name at least 10.
 
Hard to believe the Raiders have had such a hard time finding a good solid all-star caliber QB after all these years.

It's almost as puzzling as to why the Yankees haven't yet drafted, developed a top notch starting pitcher who has become a mainstay #1-3 since Andy Pettitte.

Fair chance Shane Green can become that guy. I hope.
 
You mean Kenny Stabler or Jim Plunkett weren't available?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I think I read that they have had 18 different starting QBs in the last 10 years.
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off the top of my head

jason campbell
carson palmer
terrell pryor
mcgloin?
gradkowski
kerry collins
jamarcus russell
dante culpepper

im out
 
His older brother too a small town High School (Tehachapi) to a State Championship. Big Brother also played for a short time at College of the Canyons, also nearby.....

Derek was rated as a prodigy to be, above and beyond his Big Bro....I do hope Carr has the success he had at Fresno St. A true Bulldog.....

Derek's big brother David shot this video....

Derek's Big Brother- David Carr, was the 1st ever QB with the new Houston Texan's (02) NFL Team. David, Got beat up badly due to a horrid offensive line, and overall horrid team, in their beginning years.....Matt Schaub replaced Carr in Houston......

BTW-(Bridesagain)- who could ever forget Daryl Lamonica, great Super Bowl II QB...

how about Tom Flores, when he was the Raiders QB, then with the Independent American Football League....!
 
3RA1N1AC said:
off the top of my head

jason campbell
carson palmer
terrell pryor
mcgloin?
gradkowski
kerry collins
jamarcus russell
dante culpepper

im out
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andrew walter
rick mirer
kyle boller
matt flynn
m tuiasosopo
rich gannon
 
Mattingly23NY said:
His older brother too a small town High School (Tehachapi) to a State Championship. Big Brother also played for a short time at College of the Canyons, also nearby.....

Derek was rated as a prodigy to be, above and beyond his Big Bro....I do hope Carr has the success he had at Fresno St. A true Bulldog.....

Derek's big brother David shot this video....

Derek's Big Brother- David Carr, was the 1st ever QB with the new Houston Texan's (02) NFL Team. David, Got beat up badly due to a horrid offensive line, and overall horrid team, in their beginning years.....Matt Schaub replaced Carr in Houston......

BTW-(Bridesagain)- who could ever forget Daryl Lamonica, great Super Bowl II QB...

how about Tom Flores, when he was the Raiders QB, then with the Independent American Football League....!
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...I've been a Raiders fan since about 1963...(in fact, when I first started posting on the espn boards in '98 or '99 i I posted initially on the Raiders board first...and my SN was "raidersince63")(yeah, I know, I'm a real imaginative fucker, ain't I?)
...anywho, I started being a Raiders fan because I thought their uniforms and helmet was cool looking...that was when Al Davis was their coach and if I'm not mistaken, he coached them to their first winning season. In his early days, Al Davis was a football genius and quickly built somewhat of a dynasty. And for a long time they were dubbed "the most successful franchise in sports history" (they has the highest winning %)...once Al added players like Lamonica, Biletnikoff, Wells, Dixon, Smith, Davidson, Tatum, Atkinson, Brown, Upshaw, Shell, etc., they really took off.
...it was a fun time to be a Raider fan back then...not so much nowadays. I still watch their games, but it's usually pretty ugly.
 
...oh, btw, here's where I found that 18 different QB stat;

"Carr, a second-round pick out of Fresno State in May, will become the 18th starting quarterback for the Raiders since the start of the 2003 season."


...the video shows Carr looking pretty good vs Seattle's first team defense.



[video=youtube;Jjg8kkE3vtE]
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...I've been a Raiders fan since about 1963...(in fact, when I first started posting on the espn boards in '98 or '99 i I posted initially on the Raiders board first...and my SN was "raidersince63")(yeah, I know, I'm a real imaginative fucker, ain't I?)
...anywho, I started being a Raiders fan because I thought their uniforms and helmet was cool looking...that was when Al Davis was their coach and if I'm not mistaken, he coached them to their first winning season. In his early days, Al Davis was a football genius and quickly built somewhat of a dynasty. And for a long time they were dubbed "the most successful franchise in sports history" (they has the highest winning %)...once Al added players like Lamonica, Biletnikoff, Wells, Dixon, Smith, Davidson, Tatum, Atkinson Brown, Upshaw, Shell, etc., they really took off.
...it was a fun time to be a Raider fan back then...not so much nowadays. I still watch their games, but it's usually pretty ugly.
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:smile: I too was fascinated by the Raider's Logo, colors, and Genius Al Davis. He had some incredibly talented Teams.....tho' I must confess I rooted for the Packers in the first two Super Bowls. Yet never gave up on those head hunters, til well after they left L.A. to go back home to Oakland. Raider's games in Los Angeles, were like going to a gang turf war. It didn't help with the Coliseum literally surrounded by ghetto/barrio gang banging homey's. Raider's colors were more apropos in the ghettos of L.A.

Police Presence was at times larger at Raider games, more-so than the Police Presence during the Riots in L.A.......I don't think they ever played a game without at least one stabbing, or a huge section worth of fans, all beating on each other.....til the Cops broke 'em up, cuffing enough peeps to fill several Riot Wagons, (bigger than a UPS truck). I always wondered why the Cops didn't use Semi-Truck Trailers instead....! :lol:
 
...oh, I forgot...the way they had it painted, the Raiders also had the coolest looking field.
 
20 for 32 151 yds 2 TDs 0 Ints 94.7 QBR


...very respectable vs a good defense.
 
Those old Raider teams had a tremendous offensive line, good active linebackers and outstanding quarterbacking....not to mention the only current HOF punter- the great Ray Guy.


That'll do very nicely thank you!
 
...as great as Ray Guy was, this "guy" is probably even better;

...career average of 47.6 per punt (highest of all time)


[video=youtube;Pkp82TgP46U]
 
yankeesince59 said:
...as great as Ray Guy was, this "guy" is probably even better;

...career average of 47.6 per punt (highest of all time)


[video=youtube;Pkp82TgP46U]
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Okay, then lets put him in the HOF.

How about Jerrel Wilson? Herman Weaver?
 
yankeesince59 said:
Weaver; 40.4 Y/P

Wilson ; 43.0 Y/P

Lechler; 47.6 Y/P


...lol.
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...kinda hard to be elected to the HOF while your still playing.
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I hear ya (I got a little sarcastic there), but if I remember correctly, Herman Weaver was exceptionally good at those very high punts with mucho hang time.

Lechler can really bang it but sometimes a well placed, but not necessarily very long punt (with a little touch) pinning the opponent deep inside it's territory is needed. Very valuable weapon as well as booming it high and far.
 
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...Lechler is near the top almost every year punts inside the 20 yard line...and is also always near the top in net punting yards.
 
...as far as Ray Guy, I remember the first pro game I went to was in Atlanta when the Raiders played the Falcons back in the 80's. (pretty sure it was the game that Marcus Allen became the Raiders all-time leading rusher)...But I remember being somewhat disappointed at my first live game because the game was nothing like I had been seeing on TV all those years...the players didn't look as big, didn't look as fast, etc. It was somewhat like watching a high school game.
...but, the ONE thing that did stand out was when Ray Guy punted the ball. It was a night game, so the lights were on, which are angled and aimed downward towards the field, and when Ray Guy punted, the ball soared so high that at its apex, the ball actually went higher than the light's rays and disappeared for a second before falling back down into view again.
...I'll never forget that...still blows me away when I think of it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Lechler is near the top almost every year punts inside the 20 yard line...and is also always near the top in net punting yards.
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Can the Raiders (seriously) become the only team with TWO (Lechler) punters in the HOF?
I think we may eventually see another punter or two or three someday in the HOF....
....and the Raiders may have two. lol
 
...I think Lechler has a solid chance to go into the Hall...but unless you're a Raiders fan like me, most people have never even heard of him. But only because he played in obscurity with some horrid Raiders teams.
...but as far as the numbers go, he is/was every bit the punter Ray Guy was, and more.
 
...they're losing to the Pats but between watching the Yanx and the Raiders game, I really think that barring injury, Carr will be the Raiders QB for many years...the kid has smarts, poise, and talent...nice to see that in Silver and Black once again.
 
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...they're losing to the Pats but between watching the Yanx and the Raiders game, I really think that barring injury, Carr will be the Raiders QB for many years...the kid has smarts, poise, and talent...nice to see that is Silver and Black once again.
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Talk about bizzarro world, Raiders least penalized team in NFL.
 
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