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Republicans are surging today as they captured Democratic seats in Arkansas and West Virginia. They look like they are going to get control of the U.S. Senate and getting more numbers in the House.

Obama might be the best talking point for Republlcans this election. I don't see a Democrat winning the presidential election . . . unless Rick Perry is the Republican candidate. :)
 
C'mon, there are plenty of R's who'd lose. Bachman, Palin, anyone named or potentially related to Bush...
 
C'mon, there are plenty of R's who'd lose. Bachman, Palin, anyone named or potentially related to Bush...

OK . . . your list actually makes Perry look like a good candidate.

Next presidential election is the Republican party's to win or lose. Come up with just a decent candidate and they should win the election. No matter who the democratic candidate is, they will have a hard time shaking the Obama effect.
 
Obama isn't on the ballot, nor is his eventual successor. In this election he matters only to voters who are too lazy or too stupid to think for themselves.

All incumbents and both major parties have turned against Real Americans and need to be sent packing. Choosing to bounce back and forth between 2 different ass rapers every 4, 6 or 8 years is pretty sad. Calling this progress or change suggests an inability to grasp the obvious.
 
Obama isn't on the ballot, nor is his eventual successor. In this election he matters only to voters who are too lazy or too stupid to think for themselves.

All incumbents and both major parties have turned against Real Americans and need to be sent packing. Choosing to bounce back and forth between 2 different ass rapers every 4, 6 or 8 years is pretty sad. Calling this progress or change suggests an inability to grasp the obvious.

I believe it's called "a voice of the people". Obviously our Democratic President failed to convince the people that the democrats are positive at this point.

Keep in mind that a lot of those Senators and reps voted in favor of Obama policies; which shot themselves in the foot
 
Listening to some of the punditry, it seems as if in many states the R's didn't run necessarily on issues, but on "that D guy messed up over the last 6 years". One of the national R candidates who didn't was Gillespie in VA against Mark Warner...it's being reported that he ran on issues, and didn't even participate in "smears", other than one ad run during the Redskins MNF game that:
Carter Eskew said:
Score one for Ed Gillespie, who is running against Mark Warner (D-Va.) for the Senate. Last night, in the Washington football team’s stirring victory over the hated Cowboys, Gillespie’s campaign ran an ad in which he chided Warner for not opposing “Harry Reid’s bill” to change the team’s offensive name, or refusing even to answer whether he, in fact, does oppose it.



Presumably pride in the team soared throughout the upset, so Gillespie’s timing was excellent. While on the surface the ad may seem trivial, my guess is that it was extremely effective for those who view the controversy as just another fabrication of politically correct-obsessed liberals.

In other words, the ad appeals, first and foremost, to Gillespie’s base: voters who are sick and tired of Harry Reid and all those other liberals going after symbols of history and local pride, like the Redskins or the Confederate flag. But the ad operates on two more levels to broaden its appeal First, it paints a contrast between Warner as a typical politician who ducks controversial issues and Gillespie as a decisive one who declares his opposition to Reid’s bill. The ad then offers a final punch: why not, Gillespie asks the camera, focus on important issues like jobs and the economy and let the Washington football team sort out its own name?

The ad, which is in my mind ridiculous and wrong, is nonetheless effective in the strange haiku of political advertising. In less than 30 seconds, Warner is portrayed as a weak-kneed liberal who tilts at Harry Reid windmills while Gillespie is a straight-talking problem-solver focused on the things that matter to Virginians. Virginia’s Senate seat is still a safe one for Democrats, but, as I said when he entered the race, Gillespie is a scrapper.

That was Oct. 28. With something like 92% of the vote in, Warner's down 50-48. Hopefully it gets candidates advertising to the voters back on issues, rather than PC-ness, social experimentation and boogiemen.
 
The next two years, after the lame duck session bound to occur, will be a very different ride. Let's see how the economy does in time for 2016 elections.
 
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Listening to some of the punditry, it seems as if in many states the R's didn't run necessarily on issues, but on "that D guy messed up over the last 6 years". One of the national R candidates who didn't was Gillespie in VA against Mark Warner...it's being reported that he ran on issues, and didn't even participate in "smears", other than one ad run during the Redskins MNF game that:


That was Oct. 28. With something like 92% of the vote in, Warner's down 50-48. Hopefully it gets candidates advertising to the voters back on issues, rather than PC-ness, social experimentation and boogiemen.

So that theory didn't pan out. Warner won.
 
My analysis is that this election is certainly a reflection on progressive policies and how Obama has governed. In a big way, it's a rejection of the "I'm going to fix (whatever) by Executive Order and skip congress" sort of thinking. It is unfortunate that republicans were elected, but it seems people don't realize it's really a means of picking one's poison.

First off, republicans now have to govern. It's easy to let your opponent fall on his own sword and point it out to everyone. It's not so easy to have to effect good policy (good policy, there's an oxymoron!).

Ultimately, Obama has a chance to get some of the things he wants done passed through a republican congress. Here's my reasoning.

With republicans controlling both chambers, they will almost certainly pass a lot of legislation that will reach the president's desk. The House and Senate have both passed lots, just not the same bills or agenda. What the House passed, the Senate under Harry Reid refused to even consider. And vice-versa. A republican senate will consider bills passed by a republican house, and vice-versa. You know. But the senate has historically been a sort of filter against the more absurd bills passed by the house, so not everything will be rubber stamped.

Republicans do not have a veto-proof majority in the senate, so Obama will have the ability to block any and all legislation passed using his veto pen. I believe republicans will want some of their bills to be signed and Obama can barter non-vetoes for legislation he wants. Or he can use the veto threat to influence congress to tweak bills more to his liking.

Obama is going to have to be willing to change his view of governing, though. He is not going to be able to go on vacation and let the congress gridlock while whining about the gridlock. This new congress isn't going to gridlock and he'll be forced to veto a lot of actually popular legislation. Popular legislation like the Keystone Pipeline.

If he engages with congress, he may be able to trade a favorable immigration bill for allowing a keystone pipeline bill.

The real question is what congress' objectives will be. If it is to govern and to give the People reason to vote for them again in 2 years, they will need to work with Obama. If it is to pass a lot of popular legislation that they know Obama will veto so they can run on democratic president obstruction, then 2016 will be a lot more interesting.
 
My analysis is that this election is certainly a reflection on progressive policies and how Obama has governed. In a big way, it's a rejection of the "I'm going to fix (whatever) by Executive Order and skip congress" sort of thinking.


I don't think the voting public is that smart. I think this election more than anything was a reflection of the power of Fox News.
 
I don't think the voting public is that smart. I think this election more than anything was a reflection of the power of Fox News.

I disagree. The republican candidates, as Brian wrote, ran gazillions of ads in the local markets with the "vote us in because Obama sucks" message. This made it a referendum on Obama and progressive polices proposed and enacted.

Fox News didn't have anything to do with those ads resonating with the public.

The public did vote in Obama, Reid, and Pelosi in the first place, so you do have a point tho.
 
Obama is going to have to be willing to change his view of governing, though. He is not going to be able to go on vacation and let the congress gridlock while whining about the gridlock. This new congress isn't going to gridlock and he'll be forced to veto a lot of actually popular legislation. Popular legislation like the Keystone Pipeline.

If he engages with congress, he may be able to trade a favorable immigration bill for allowing a keystone pipeline bill.

I tend to agree with most of the other stuff you wrote. But why is the keystone pipeline popular? what's the point, when oil is going to get to 70$/barrel and tarsands is only cost effective at 80$/barrel?
 
My analysis is that this election is certainly a reflection on progressive policies and how Obama has governed. In a big way, it's a rejection of the "I'm going to fix (whatever) by Executive Order and skip congress" sort of thinking. It is unfortunate that republicans were elected, but it seems people don't realize it's really a means of picking one's poison.

First off, republicans now have to govern. It's easy to let your opponent fall on his own sword and point it out to everyone. It's not so easy to have to effect good policy (good policy, there's an oxymoron!).

Ultimately, Obama has a chance to get some of the things he wants done passed through a republican congress. Here's my reasoning.

With republicans controlling both chambers, they will almost certainly pass a lot of legislation that will reach the president's desk. The House and Senate have both passed lots, just not the same bills or agenda. What the House passed, the Senate under Harry Reid refused to even consider. And vice-versa. A republican senate will consider bills passed by a republican house, and vice-versa. You know. But the senate has historically been a sort of filter against the more absurd bills passed by the house, so not everything will be rubber stamped.

Republicans do not have a veto-proof majority in the senate, so Obama will have the ability to block any and all legislation passed using his veto pen. I believe republicans will want some of their bills to be signed and Obama can barter non-vetoes for legislation he wants. Or he can use the veto threat to influence congress to tweak bills more to his liking.

Obama is going to have to be willing to change his view of governing, though. He is not going to be able to go on vacation and let the congress gridlock while whining about the gridlock. This new congress isn't going to gridlock and he'll be forced to veto a lot of actually popular legislation. Popular legislation like the Keystone Pipeline.


If he engages with congress, he may be able to trade a favorable immigration bill for allowing a keystone pipeline bill.

The real question is what congress' objectives will be. If it is to govern and to give the People reason to vote for them again in 2 years, they will need to work with Obama. If it is to pass a lot of popular legislation that they know Obama will veto so they can run on democratic president obstruction, then 2016 will be a lot more interesting.

A fair analysis but I dont see it working out this way. I see the republicans trying to take the presidency starting today, which means they will push through a ton of BS legislation that will force Obama to veto, then run on the grounds that Obama veto's everything and he is the obstructionist.
 
A fair analysis but I dont see it working out this way. I see the republicans trying to take the presidency starting today, which means they will push through a ton of BS legislation that will force Obama to veto, then run on the grounds that Obama veto's everything and he is the obstructionist.

Both Reagan and GHW Bush had numerous vetoes with Democratic congresses. Bush did not win reelection. I remember congress would pass every bill with a tax hike of some kind in it. A poison pill of sorts, since Bush did his "no new taxes" pledge and democrats were intent on making him a liar (or break that promise). He eventually relented and lost, which may be a blueprint for Obama to avoid.
 
I disagree. The republican candidates, as Brian wrote, ran gazillions of ads in the local markets with the "vote us in because Obama sucks" message. This made it a referendum on Obama and progressive polices proposed and enacted.

which were based on talking points already hammered on for months by Fox News and other anti-Obama pundits

Fox News didn't have anything to do with those ads resonating with the public.

Not something I care to argue about, but that's pretty naive.

The public did vote in Obama, Reid, and Pelosi in the first place, so you do have a point tho.

Because talking points created by the liberal media resonated (Romney was rich elitist, republicans are anti-women etc.), not because voters are logically thinking about which would be the best candidate. Yes it does work both ways.
 
which were based on talking points already hammered on for months by Fox News and other anti-Obama pundits



Not something I care to argue about, but that's pretty naive.



Because talking points created by the liberal media resonated (Romney was rich elitist, republicans are anti-women etc.), not because voters are logically thinking about which would be the best candidate. Yes it does work both ways.

CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS are all the Democrat heavy media platforms. Are you saying that Fox have a bigger impact than all four of those media channels combined?
 
Republicans are surging today as they captured Democratic seats in Arkansas and West Virginia. They look like they are going to get control of the U.S. Senate and getting more numbers in the House.

Obama might be the best talking point for Republlcans this election. I don't see a Democrat winning the presidential election . . . unless Rick Perry is the Republican candidate. :)

I seriously doubt our next president will be a Republican. Starts with candidates and who exactly do they have? I mean, I like guys like Rand Paul and ted Cruz but they won't win the nomination because they aren't "presidential material" in the eyes of the media and that would trickle down to the viewers of our biased media outlets.. My guess is we will be voting between a Kasich / Rubio and Clinton / Cuomo ballot.
 
which were based on talking points already hammered on for months by Fox News and other anti-Obama pundits



Not something I care to argue about, but that's pretty naive.



Because talking points created by the liberal media resonated (Romney was rich elitist, republicans are anti-women etc.), not because voters are logically thinking about which would be the best candidate. Yes it does work both ways.

The pundits spun the polls to make it look like Democrats had a real chance to maintain the senate. For every $ of real campaign money spent on ads there are several $ of free PR type ads in the form of 24/7 Fox and 24/7 MSNBC/NBC/ABC/CBS/CNN/NYTimes/WaPost/HuffPost/etc.

Democrats ran from Obama. They didn't have him appear on their behalf. They were asked if they voted for him and supported his agenda and may refused to even answer (for fear of incrimination).

The narrative told throughout the media was that the democrats had an awesome "get out the vote" machine that was going to make this election close. Like this one of many.
 
The obvious question is if Fox News talking points are so effective, how did Obama win in 2008 and 2012?
 
The obvious question is if Fox News talking points are so effective, how did Obama win in 2008 and 2012?

The obvious answer is young people and minorities don't watch Fox News.

barfo
 
The obvious answer is young people and minorities don't watch Fox News.

barfo

You suggest that living in the basement of their parents' house has changed their view of hope and change. Hopes dashed.
 
You suggest that living in the basement of their parents' house has changed their view of hope and change. Hopes dashed.

No idea what you are trying to say. I was suggesting that midterm voters tend to be older and whiter than in presidential years.

barfo
 
No idea what you are trying to say. I was suggesting that midterm voters tend to be older and whiter than in presidential years.

barfo

The young Obama voters weren't motivated to get off their asses or cross the street for, let alone vote for, your kind.
 

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