Obama blasts ‘Republican shutdown,’ defends Obamacare

[oldguy]

^Sons of Anarchy?

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[DaLincolnJones]

That's your flaw though, it's already passed! The republicans are failing to remove it and are now trying a dangerous tactic to remove it.

Dangerous tactic? Good heavens, over react much? This has happened 17 times in recent history..nothing the your president deems important is closed. Parking a forklift in front of the entrance to the Lincoln memorial? Closing the open air WW2 memorial by erecting barricades. closing federal parks..yeah, sounds "dangerous " to me....

 

[Natebishop3]

^Sons of Anarchy?

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Talladega Nights

 

[Eastoff]

Hyundai trying to help out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24361142

 

[Eastoff]

You're right, I should have said 'funded' instead of 'passed.' (I get it that it already passed, given I said that the D's rammed (past tense) that legislation up everyone's ass.)

You didn't respond as to whether you think the White House's name-calling was appropriate and/or helpful with getting the funding approved.

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I'm sorry I didn't respond then. Nobody was killed by the Republicans actions, like a true terrorist.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Closing the open air WW2 memorial by erecting barricades.

This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.

 

[Natebishop3]

This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.

Makes perfect sense to me. This is all about political posturing anyway, and most people won't be directly affected unless it goes on for a long time, so they do silly symbolic things like close memorials and tourist attractions so that people "get the message."

 

[Denny Crane]

That's your flaw though, it's already passed! The republicans are failing to remove it and are now trying a dangerous tactic to remove it.

It didn't exactly pass.

The Democrats used a parliamentary trick to bypass the process of caucus to get senate and house bills to be identical and passed. The senate never voted on the house bill. The house never voted on the senate bill. In fact, I don't think they voted on any bill at all. Just cloture.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359661/obamacare-has-nothing-do-budget-charles-c-w-cooke

These were all astonishing and infurating in equal measure. But they paled in comparison to the dishonesty of the president’s central claim, which was that the attempt to link defunding to the debt-ceiling fight is illegitimate because Obamacare has “nothing to do with the budget.” I struggle to imagine how the president could have kept a straight face when he said this. This is a law, remember, that was crowbarred through Congress with the questionable use of reconciliation, a parliamentary procedure that is reserved exclusively for budgetary matters; a law that was sold as a deficit-reduction measure; a law that contains a significant spending component, including a 5-10 percent increase in the size of the federal budget; and, alas, a law that boasts a central mandate that was upheld (rewritten) by the Supreme Court as a tax, thus ensuring that any changes to the penalties must be approved by the House. “Nothing to do with the budget”? This is what we call a lie, Watson.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.

yep..a bunch of 80 and 90 year old guys pushed down the barricade and went in anyways. Good for them!

There are no lengths that the sitting president will not go to, its incredible. Even more so that he still has those that defend his actions..

 

[Eastoff]

This is a law, remember, that was crowbarred through Congress with the questionable use of reconciliation, a parliamentary procedure that is reserved exclusively for budgetary matters

You have a good point, I forgot they didn't use the super majority, just a majority. They did use some questionable tactics.

 

[oldguy]

I'm sorry I didn't respond then. Nobody was killed by the Republicans actions, like a true terrorist.

Quite the non-response for a response. I should know that the President can do no wrong, I guess.

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[BrianFromWA]

This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.

Update:
"The National Park Service has announced that the White House OMB ordered the monuments barricaded, and took employees off furlough to make it happen."

Stephen Hayes ✔ @stephenfhayes
At the WWII Memorial, Carol Johnson w/the Park Service says they were told to close the site by White House's Office of Management & Budget.

Let the Vets In @LettheVetsIn
Spokesman for @nps says they were told to barricade the #WWIIMemorial by the White House OMB. #LetTheVetsIn
10:52 AM - 2 Oct 2013

And, in case anyone wanted to look up the OMB:

The core mission of OMB is to serve the President of the United States in implementing his vision across the Executive Branch. OMB is the largest component of the Executive Office of the President. It reports directly to the President and helps a wide range of executive departments and agencies across the Federal Government to implement the commitments and priorities of the President.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I wonder what spin he will oboma will put on this to blame others..

Quote Originally Posted by OMB Website on WhiteHouse.gov
The core mission of OMB is to serve the President of the United States in implementing his vision across the Executive Branch. OMB is the largest component of the Executive Office of the President. It reports directly to the President and helps a wide range of executive departments and agencies across the Federal Government to implement the commitments and priorities of the President.



oh, yeah..great find and repped

 

[Eastoff]

Update:
"The National Park Service has announced that the White House OMB ordered the monuments barricaded, and took employees off furlough to make it happen."

Stephen Hayes ✔ @stephenfhayes
At the WWII Memorial, Carol Johnson w/the Park Service says they were told to close the site by White House's Office of Management & Budget.

Let the Vets In @LettheVetsIn
Spokesman for @nps says they were told to barricade the #WWIIMemorial by the White House OMB. #LetTheVetsIn
10:52 AM - 2 Oct 2013

And, in case anyone wanted to look up the OMB:

Oh man, that is going to blow up in his face.

 

[Eastoff]

Quite the non-response for a response. I should know that the President can do no wrong, I guess.

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Obama has done a lot of stupid shit. NSA support is a big one in my mind. But he used hyperbole, just like most political figures use hyperbole. Like the congressmen that said "Obamacare is the worst law created by man." IE Trying make healthcare for the poor more accessible is worse than slavery laws. Was it exaggeration to say Republicans are terrorists, yes. Are Republicans threatening our countries financial stability by throwing a temper tantrum, yes. I think the Republicans were out of line on this.

 

[oldguy]

Obama has done a lot of stupid shit. NSA support is a big one in my mind. But he used hyperbole, just like most political figures use hyperbole. Like the congressmen that said "Obamacare is the worst law created by man." IE Trying make healthcare for the poor more accessible is worse than slavery laws. Was it exaggeration to say Republicans are terrorists, yes. Are Republicans threatening our countries financial stability by throwing a temper tantrum, yes. I think the Republicans were out of line on this.

So calling the R's was appropriate and helpful?

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[huevonkiller]

Darth DroneNympho looks pissed. Walk it off man.

 

[Eastoff]

So calling the R's was appropriate and helpful?

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I believe you mean "calling the Republicans names was appropriate and helpful?" to which I will respond, probably not. Drawing attention to who caused the mess, would be helpful though.

 

[huevonkiller]

A mess is what happened to Detroit.

 

[oldguy]

I believe you mean "calling the Republicans names was appropriate and helpful?" to which I will respond, probably not. Drawing attention to who caused the mess, would be helpful though.

I think that would be the D's.

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[DaLincolnJones]

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I think that would be the D's.

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meh..both parties are at fault. The showman in charge bears the largest part of the failure.

 

[oldguy]

meh..both parties are at fault. The showman in charge bears the largest part of the failure.

I take your point that the bill is the President's baby. The mess is the bill. No R's voted for it, hence I said the mess belongs to the D's.

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[DaLincolnJones]

I take your point that the bill is the President's baby. The mess is the bill. No R's voted for it, hence I said the mess belongs to the D's.

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To let that occur is the fault that I would lay at the feet of the GOP. Spineless self-serving pricks exempt their aides and let the Dems inflict this travesty on the rest of us..Oboma himself has changed the implementation and created exemption seven times..where was the congress...where was their input?

This was three plus years in the making..to say they could not rally against this is a total failure of leadership

 

[Eastoff]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/clean-funding-bill_n_4031784.html

Less than two days after the government shut down, there are now more than 17 Republicans who say they're ready to pass a bill to fund the government with no strings attached, giving the House the votes it needs to pass a clean funding bill.

All 200 Democrats would need to stick together and team up with those Republicans to pass the bill, but House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would have to be willing to put it to a vote, which so far he has given no indication he will do. But if he does, the votes appear to be there. The Senate would pass the bill in no time, sending it to be signed by President Barack Obama and ending the shutdown.

 

[maxiep]

This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.

For those that aren't familiar with Washington, DC, it would be like shutting down Chapman Square in Portland. Traffic runs on all four sides, and people stroll through it all the time. It took more effort to shut it down than to keep it open. It was closed as a ploy to increase the pain of the shutdown.

Complete bullshit.

 

[MARIS61]

Teabaggers are costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars and basically committing treason by fighting the laws and will of the people.

I've been through 3 govt shutdowns before, all when I was a Federal Employee. It usually burns about 2 days of an agency's budget for each day they are down.

 

[huevonkiller]

Teabaggers are costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars and basically committing treason by fighting the laws and will of the people.

I've been through 3 govt shutdowns before, all when I was a Federal Employee. It usually burns about 2 days of an agency's budget for each day they are down.

And Judge Dredd is accruing over 4 billion dollars of debt per day, I'm not letting that slide bruh.