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Not like this but Bush acted unilaterally with the Iraq invasion. Which caused division and no doubt disgust by the dems. This President has spent his entire time being divisive and acting unilaterrally. And I'm just wondering if all this is their to what gone on the decade before.

No, Bush had Both houses of congress vote for his action. Even a majority of Dems in the Senate
including Clinton voted Yea.

Obama stands unique in history. Not a good thing for anyone.
 
>open Government

[CONSOLE]: <File Found "Government">

>findprogram CommonSense.exe

[CONSOLE]: <Program Not Found! "CommonSense.exe">
<Please reattempt>

>findprogram CommonSense.exe

[CONSOLE]: Finding...

[CONSOLE]: File found!

[CONSOLE]: Running...

[CONSOLE]: File appears to be empty!

>findprogram Cooperation.exe

[CONSOLE]: Finding...

[CONSOLE]: <Program Not Found! "Cooperation.exe">

>findprogram GovernmentFunds.exe

[CONSOLE]: Finding...

[CONSOLE]: File size too small to support!

>file BetterPresident.txt

[CONSOLE]: File size too large! May corrupt database!


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Has anyone heard from maxiep this morning? I fear the worst in his neighborhood.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/19107...peech-could-trigger-some-kind-white-ferguson#


Retiring Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn, in an interview with USA Today’s Susan Page yesterday, seemed to both warn about and threaten white violence against President Obama’s executive action on immigration reform, saying the president’s speech Thursday night could provoke “violence” and “anarchy.” He even suggested that the reaction could parallel the demonstrations and violence in Ferguson, Missouri.

Page asked what will be the reaction of Republicans in Washington, and Coburn acted as if it’s not the GOP that will be upset (‘cause, you know, they’re such a even-keeled bunch: Alabama Representative Mo Brooks actually thinks Obama could end up in jail, as well as impeached). Rather, it’s all those regular folks out there who will be terribly disappointed that the president isn’t working with Congress.

“Oh, I don’t think it’s so much a Republican reaction here,” Coburn said. “The country’s going to go nuts. Because they are going to see it as a move outside of the authority of the president. And it’s going to be a very dangerous situation. You’re going to see—hopefully not—but you could see instances of anarchy.”

“You could see violence,” Coburn continued. “This is a big step, to not work with Congress, now that he’s got a new Congress, to go completely around it.”

Then, oddly, Coburn cited the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, saying that Obama’s immigration action could invoke similar concerns about injustice: “Well, here’s how people think—if the law doesn’t apply to the president, and it’s not affirmatively acted on for us as a group, like you’re seeing in Ferguson, Missouri, then why should it apply to me?”

As Josh Marshall pointed out at TPM, Coburn’s warnings about street violence over allowing the parents of American-born citizens to stay here without fear of deportation were logically challenged in the first place. The protesters in Ferguson are outraged by a direct government action, the shooting to death of an unarmed black teenager. Any violence over Obama’s executive order would mean people taking to the streets in anger over a government inaction—its refusal to actively deport people already living in the US for years.

But logic is never a strong component of American conniptions over race. You could also see what Coburn said as implying a sort of good-for-the-goose, good-for-the-gander equivalency: if blacks get to riot over a perceived injustice, so should whites. That plays directly into the right’s sense of victimization and “reverse racism.”

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Coburn’s remarks should also be seen in the context of the 2016 elections. Obama’s immigration reforms, modest as they are in reality, would further the perception driven home by Fox News, hate radio, and millions of dollars of GOP advertising that Obama only helps the poor and minorities. Obama saying that if he had a son, “he’d look like Trayvon” Martin, Eric Holder’s intervention in Ferguson, and even Obamacare, which actually helps more whites than blacks but is believed to do the exact opposite by many whites—all are grist for that mill of resentment. Add to that changing immigration practices by executive order, and the right may be able to orchestrate a backlash of epic proportions against a Democratic nominee.

In politics, what is true is never as important as what works.

See the Coburn interview here:
 
Talk to Wheels (the S2 member) he works for the welfare department in Oregon. U.S. law strictly prohibits those here illegally from obtaining welfare, food stamps or any other type of public assistance.

Listen, I am 100% against illegal immigration. My father came here legally, served in the military and became a citizen. He did it the right way. I'm just seeing both parties pointing fingers and doing nothing. When I worked in finance I had tons of lenders financing illegals for cars and homes. It pisses me off.

But to be honest, something has to be done with the illegals we have here now. What Obama is proposing seems reasonable. Not perfect but it's not amnesty and not a path to citizenship.

Doing something has to be better than doing nothing.

Hey Sly, sorry it took so long to respond, I was doing the family thing last night.

First, while it may be illegal, I have seen first hand how the intake process goes down and the questions asked as well as the questions that are avoided. I have also seen first hand that if someone does not speak english, they are provided with an interpreter. I have also seen the intake workers coach those seeking aid as to what they should put down on the forms. Lastly I know that it is standard practice to use false social security numbers.

Going one step further, while it is against the law to receive public assistance, how do you come to grips with the fact that our schools have to teach classes in spanish and that dual immersion is a norm? Free breakfast and lunch for students provided by federal funds?

For the record, believe that a case by case examination needs to go into effect. There are plenty of excellent people that deserve to become citizens. I have a very close friend that has been here for almost twenty years, only one of his children were born here. I can not see where it would be of any benefit to break up his family and deport those that are not citizens. There needs to be a way to take someone like him that is in business for him self and make exceptions to allow a path way to citizenship.

The issue is that to pick and choose what laws obama wants to enforce and those he deliberately does not for political gain is wrong. We need to close the boarders, amnesty those deserving such, and cease the practice of birth right citizenship. If you can no longer get a free ride from popping out a child as soon as you cross into the US, then that removes the desire to do so.
 
Here is Kris Kobach with another level headed republican reaction to the immigration speech from last night.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kris-kobach-obama-ethnic-cleansing

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) on Sunday warned that President Obama's executive actions and general "lawlessness" on immigration could lead to "ethnic cleansing."

Kobach, a vocal advocate of the anti-immigrant movement, claimed during his radio talk show that there was a strategy to replace American voters with Hispanic ones who favored socialism.

"The long term strategy of, first of all, replacing American voters with illegal aliens, recently legalized, who then become U.S. citizens," Kobach said. "There is still a decided bias in favor of bigger government not smaller government. So maybe this strategy of replacing American voters with newly legalized aliens, if you look at it through an ethnic lens, ... you've got a locked in vote for socialism."

Koback also responded to a caller who was concerned about ethnic cleansing, which the caller claimed was a threat from immigrant and Hispanic rights groups.

"What happens, if you know your history, when one culture or one race or one religion overwhelms another culture or race?" the caller asked. "When one race or culture overwhelms another culture, they run them out or they kill them."

Kobach then responded with his take.

"What protects us in America from any kind of ethnic cleansing is the rule of law, of course," Kobach said. "And the rule of law used to be unassailable, used to be taken for granted in America. And now, of course, we have a President who disregards the law when it suits his interests. And, so, you know, while I normally would answer that by saying, 'Steve, of course we have the rule of law, that could never happen in America,' I wonder what could happen. I still don't think it’s going to happen in America, but I have to admit, that things are, things are strange and they're happening."
 
It's unbelievable that people don't see how this shreds the Constitution. It's not about illegal immigration, it's about presidential power. Congress is now irrelevant. We now have an elected dictatorship.

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I saw Obama's speech last night. It looked forced and he seemed not too familiar with the words on the teleprompter.

But I generally agree with him that it's absurd to round up millions of people and force them to leave. It's also an international crime against humanity (per Geneva Conventions, see forced migration).

He isn't able to grant anyone citizenship, so these people aren't going to vote anytime soon. He didn't grant any kind of amnesty or pardon. Whatever he can do via presidential EO, the next president can undo just as easily.
 
I saw Obama's speech last night. It looked forced and he seemed not too familiar with the words on the teleprompter.

But I generally agree with him that it's absurd to round up millions of people and force them to leave. It's also an international crime against humanity (per Geneva Conventions, see forced migration).

He isn't able to grant anyone citizenship, so these people aren't going to vote anytime soon. He didn't grant any kind of amnesty or pardon. Whatever he can do via presidential EO, the next president can undo just as easily.

I have no problem with amnesty if 1) It is done in a legal manor. 2) Unlike the Reagan mess, it is done AFTER we secure the borders. 3) Criminals get booted. Period.

Then we should remove the reason they come here and pop out kids.
 
He said in his speech that criminals are being booted. Deportation of people who commit crimes here are up by 80%.

Those numbers appear to be correct.
 
He said in his speech that criminals are being booted. Deportation of people who commit crimes here are up by 80%.

Those numbers appear to be correct.

Brought to you by the same guy that said "If you like your Doctor, you can keep him" "If you like your insurance company, you can keep them" "This has been a transparent process"

one guy that will not hold his breath..
 
Brought to you by the same guy that said "If you like your Doctor, you can keep him" "If you like your insurance company, you can keep them" "This has been a transparent process"

one guy that will not hold his breath..

I don't see a Big Lie tactic with this one, sorry.
 
He said in his speech that criminals are being booted. Deportation of people who commit crimes here are up by 80%.

Those numbers appear to be correct.

Bull Shit!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/illegal-immigrants-released-88871.html

Many articles just like that one to read if you really care. Then of course you know about those
Sheriff deputies killed in Sacramento a few weeks ago by the illegal they let go several times even though he has a full rap sheet.

Even if you like this bull shit, having a President overtly abrogate his responsibility under the constitution is a ridiculous standard to set . Then to make his own rule simply eliminates the rule of law in this nation. There is no good resulting from this despicable action.
 
Bull Shit!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/illegal-immigrants-released-88871.html

Many articles just like that one to read if you really care. Then of course you know about those
Sheriff deputies killed in Sacramento a few weeks ago by the illegal they let go several times even though he has a full rap sheet.

Even if you like this bull shit, having a President overtly abrogate his responsibility under the constitution is a ridiculous standard to set . Then to make his own rule simply eliminates the rule of law in this nation. There is no good resulting from this despicable action.

The bullshit is they committed no crime in the USA. Read your own link. It doesn't support the argument you think you're making.
 

Sorry, dude, but your article is full of inaccuracies and misstatements.

"By contrast, President Obama is bestowing a wholesale, blanket amnesty for an entire class of nearly 5 million people. ".

That is simply false and the rest of the opinions in the article are just as dubious.

What does a legit constitutional law journal opine on the matter?
 
The bullshit is they committed no crime in the USA. Read your own link. It doesn't support the argument you think you're making.

I don't think I am making any argument, I know I am for damn sure. There are those that walk about talking out their arse when head is in parking. Perhaps you know one intimately and perhaps he has more at stake than wanting the Constitution up held.
 
The constitution doesn't say illegal immigrants should be rounded up and dealt with.

You're right you aren't making an argument.

I said Deportation of people who commit crimes in the USA is up 80%. It is.
 
The constitution doesn't say illegal immigrants should be rounded up and dealt with.

You're right you aren't making an argument.

I said Deportation of people who commit crimes in the USA is up 80%. It is.

Article 2 Section three of the US Constitution (the executive Power) "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

The current immigration law of the US calls for deportation of aliens for a variety of offence and that they are not allowed to work.
That sir, is the Presidents responsibility as a duty.

He is failing to perform the duties of office as defined in the Constitution and as an oath of office. Note the word "Care" is capitalized to emphasis "take Care".

This guy is not the humanitarian in Chief, the Chief Executive job is much more demanding.
He acts like he was selected to run the Peace Corps and it seems that is what you want.
 
He is faithfully executing the law.

The government has insufficient money and manpower to undertake the war crime you propose, or else there would be numerous other laws he couldn't faithfully execute. For lack of money or workers.
 
He is faithfully executing the law.

The government has insufficient money and manpower to undertake the war crime you propose, or else there would be numerous other laws he couldn't faithfully execute. For lack of money or workers.

Oh that is bull shit. I guess I expected more from you. I was wrong.
 
Another good read. Obama has deported more "illegal" immigrants than any president in history. 2 million. But he let a few hundred go, oh my!

http://m.thenation.com/article/1790...rted-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history

More padding the stats.

"On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html#page=1
 
Seems like Oregon should be in this list if 120,000 illegals hold jobs in Oregon. Geez that nearly matches the unemployed count.

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http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/01/with_driver_cards_illegal_immi.html

Wow! Look a California, must be around 8% of the total population is illegal.
Maybe there is a story there that explains Denny's utter disregard for the laws and enforcement.
 
I live in California, within minutes of the border. There is no "illegal" PROBLEM of any kind that I ever see here.

My disregard is for "crimes" that have no victims.
 
I live in California, within minutes of the border. There is no "illegal" PROBLEM of any kind that I ever see here.

My disregard is for "crimes" that have no victims.

I hear you. You support the rule of law and the constitution until you want something. Then your want takes first priority. Sound very much like most democrats.
 

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