Obama: Cars Must Ave 54.5 MPG

[BLAZER PROPHET]

JUST DRILL BABY!

When I look at your avatar I have the same thoughts... (and don't go changing it to a guy!)

 

[PapaG]

Over 30,000 patents for petroleum based products are filed a year in the USA in the areas of medicine, material sciences, bio-sciences and plastics.

But hey, that's not important. It's more important that we burn it up as quickly as we pump it out of the ground. Better allocation of a limited resource? Fuck that!

Who says it is a limited resource?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Who says it is a limited resource?

Abiotic oil is crazier than some of the shit Haak72 believes in.

 

[PapaG]

Abiotic oil is crazier than some of the shit Haak72 believes in.

Is it? There are plenty of other substances and elements that seem to not be finite, and are found in massive amounts.

Let me know the data behind your opinion. I'm interested in it, but then again, if oil is finite, then so is coal, water, the sun (in terms of massive powering outside of a rooftop), and everything outside of nuclear energy.

If you're cool with driving around with a mini-nuke cell in your vehicle, or even know how to do that, then we can talk about "finite".

 

[jlprk]

I'm cool with you doing it!

 

[Denny Crane]

This is a legit question for this thread.

Who is John Galt?

Literally, who is he. What was his claim to fame in Atlas Shrugged?

 

[jlprk]

Do I have to read the crappy novel to toss in barbs and grenades?

As I said, when I was a student, the John Birch Society newsletter was considered higher literature. People have read it now only because in every field (chemistry, novels, etc.), a couple of token females were suddenly elevated to the level of greatness.

 

[MARIS61]

well, because those aren't realistic expectations, and 50 MPG is.

Sure they are, and quite easily attainable.

 

[MARIS61]

Maris, and others, view the world in its entirety by political parties. Anything that could be construed as good is from one party and everything bad from the other. It's called 'narrow mindedness'.

You have no clue how I view the world. Not surprisiing since we've never even met.

Political parties are merely clever shell games to fool people into thinking they actually have a say (a vote) in their future. While they may promote different social approaches to perpetuate this myth, keep the populace pacified, and prevent revolt from occurring, they all serve the 1% ideologically. The differences between how Obama and Bush interact with the world are tiny and the same goals are carried from one administration to another.

"Parties" are designed to eliminate the chance that an independent leader might arise. Someone who can't be bought or controlled. Someone who will be heard when he/she exposes the truth.

2 party system, 3 party, 10 party, all prevent freedom from slavery. They serve no other practical purpose other than to deceive the masses.

 

[Denny Crane]

^^^ So we need a fuhrer?

 

[MARIS61]

So in our country, there may be a day where you have the right to own and possess a .45 semi-auto handgun, but you can't drive a vehicle that gets bad gas mileage?

You're half-right. The right to own a gun will completely disappear long before the new MPG requirements take effect. It's already a severly restricted "right", and totally illegal in many major cities.

 

[MARIS61]

^^^ So we need a fuhrer?

Hitler was merely a mouthpiece for the 1% via a political party (the National Socialist German Workers' Party), and put into power by such well known American 1%ers as Grand Daddy Bush.

 

[STOMP]

This is fucking absurd.

The single most important step the U.S. could take to reduce its dependence on foreign oil would be to extract the oil that exists on U.S. soil.

you're on the mark with the fucking absurd comment, but ironically. The oil that is currently and projected to be extracted from US soil isn't our country's collective oil. It's owned privately and sold on the world market to join the overall supply that we purchase for our consumption. Despite the USA ramping up production to all time high levels, it's just a drop in the barrel in the big picture. Our boost on the supply side is more then offset by higher demand from expanding middle class consumers in China and India among others.Further examples of this dynamic is that the USA's overall demand is actually down because of hybrids and conservation, yet the prices at the pump have gone way up.

and lets just ignore the fact that the low hanging fruit of oil supplies has been harvested, and the supplies left come at significant risk to Americans drinking water etc

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

Remind me again who was President during the entire life of that bubble?

Someone has a big mancrush on Paul Ryan doesn't he? Pull out the Air Supply albums and just soak it all in....

I, for one, have a huge mancrush on Paul Ryan.

As for the subject of this thread, it will be achieved not so much by increased efficiency, but by producing a mix of cars that focus on smaller ones. Remember, the goal is across the production spectrum. It's a way of forcing people into tuna cans that look like cars.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is a legit question for this thread.

Who is John Galt?

Literally, who is he. What was his claim to fame in Atlas Shrugged?

John Galt designed an engine that didn't require petroleum (oil or gas). His invention was squashed by govt. laws passed on behalf of corporate interests that bought congress.

 

[PapaG]

you're on the mark with the fucking absurd comment, but ironically. The oil that is currently and projected to be extracted from US soil isn't our country's collective oil. It's owned privately and sold on the world market to join the overall supply that we purchase for our consumption. Despite the USA ramping up production to all time high levels, it's just a drop in the barrel in the big picture. Our boost on the supply side is more then offset by higher demand from expanding middle class consumers in China and India among others.Further examples of this dynamic is that the USA's overall demand is actually down because of hybrids and conservation, yet the prices at the pump have gone way up.

and lets just ignore the fact that the low hanging fruit of oil supplies has been harvested, and the supplies left come at significant risk to Americans drinking water etc

STOMP

You left out dirty air. Romney likes the dirty air, too.

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[Eastoff]

John Galt designed an engine that didn't require petroleum (oil or gas). His invention was squashed by govt. laws passed on behalf of corporate interests that bought congress.

John Galt's engine was a non-scientific crackbrain scheme. Pulling static electricity out of the sky. It was vaguely like Tesla's idea of free energy sent wirelessly. It would never work and the analogy seems irrelevant.

 

[Denny Crane]

John Galt's engine was a non-scientific crackbrain scheme. Pulling static electricity out of the sky. It was vaguely like Tesla's idea of free energy sent wirelessly. It would never work and the analogy seems irrelevant.

The analogy is ANY competing technology to gas powered engines is likely squashed.

 

[barfo]

The analogy is ANY competing technology to gas powered engines is likely squashed.

Yes, just as electrics are being squashed now. That's why the government took over GM, so they could kill the Volt, right?

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Yes, just as electrics are being squashed now. That's why the government took over GM, so they could kill the Volt, right?

barfo

The consumer is doing a great job killing the Volt.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Yes, just as electrics are being squashed now. That's why the government took over GM, so they could kill the Volt, right?

barfo

The government took over GM because they could and to bail out the unions. Their treatment of the bondholders was shameless at best and criminal at worst.

I'll go back to what I said earlier- my concern is that this may stifle the flow of R&D monies for better fuel alternatives for expedient politics for a sitting President in a dog fight for his office.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, just as electrics are being squashed now. That's why the government took over GM, so they could kill the Volt, right?

barfo

The electric car has been around since 1890, maybe earlier.

I note that GM shut down production of the Volt for at least a month, so they can focus on building a car that actually sells.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The electric car has been around since 1890, maybe earlier.

I note that GM shut down production of the Volt for at least a month, so they can focus on building a car that actually works somewhat.

FIFY

 

[Eastoff]

The consumer is doing a great job killing the Volt.

YAY! My favorite time of the day. PROVE! THE TROLL! WRONG!

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/30/autos/volt-sales/

 

[barfo]

John Galt designed an engine that didn't require petroleum (oil or gas). His invention was squashed by govt. laws passed on behalf of corporate interests that bought congress.

The analogy is ANY competing technology to gas powered engines is likely squashed.

Yes, just as electrics are being squashed now. That's why the government took over GM, so they could kill the Volt, right?

barfo

The electric car has been around since 1890, maybe earlier.

Congratulations on disproving your own point.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

YAY! My favorite time of the day. PROVE! THE TROLL! WRONG!

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/30/autos/volt-sales/

Did you actually read the article?

But Chintan Talati of sale tracker TrueCar says General Motors (GMPRB) is also offering dealers the best incentives it's ever had on the model to move the cars.
Those deals have brought the price of a two-year lease down as low as $169 a month at some dealerships from the standard $279 lease price. Considering that the manufacturer's suggested retail price of $31,500 -- after a $7,500 federal tax credit -- is relatively pricy for a compact car, Talali said he'd expected sales to have been boosted even higher by GM's incentives.

"With the lease specials and discounts on the Volt currently, I'm surprised there isn't a line out the door for Volt buyers," he said.

2500 cars sold is very, very weak, and apparently many are being leased, but when the baseline is >1k/month, any increase is going to yield a large percentage.

As a comparison, Ford sold over 23k Fusions in July 2012, and over 11k of the gas-guzzling Explorer. These are real numbers, not what GM's head "expects".

Ford Fusion sales increase 21 percent – the best July ever – with 23,326 vehicles sold
Explorer posts best July sales since 2006 with 11,313 vehicles sold

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=36838

Yeah, but the Volt is a smashing success. Congrats on proving the "TROLL" wrong, though. I bet it felt fantastic.

 

[PapaG]

For comparison's sake, the Toyota Prius, a car that people actually like, sold over 16.5k units in July 2012.

 

[Denny Crane]

Congratulations on disproving your own point.

barfo

Congratulations on disproving your own point.

See how easy it is to pull a barfo? (though I'm not totally wrong like you)

 

[barfo]

Congratulations on disproving your own point.

See how easy it is to pull a barfo? (though I'm not totally wrong like you)

Yo mama.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yo mama.

barfo

Exactly.