Obama Claims "Executive Privilege" in "Fast & Furious" Documents

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Wow. Must be really serious badness for the administration.
 
That's nothing. Denny still won't respond to my records request for the S2 financial documents. Sorry Denny, S2 is NOT a 501(c)(3) charitable organization. The people demand answers! :redgrin:
 
Holder is protecting Bush, the CIA, and their stupid plan which he inherited--to persecute the drug trade in Mexico, which is causing tens of thousands of murders.
 
jlprk said:
Holder is protecting Bush, the CIA, and their stupid plan which he inherited--to persecute the drug trade in Mexico, which is causing tens of thousands of murders.
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Dang! It's all Bush's fault again. That rogue!
 
Republican presidents start new policies. Democratic presidents exist just to cover up rough edges of those Republican policies. Republicans are mad because Bush Jr. slipped in a new one, health care. First Democratic president since Johnson to get a major liberal program approved.
 
jlprk said:
Republican presidents start new policies. Democratic presidents exist just to cover up rough edges of those Republican policies. Republicans are mad because Bush Jr. slipped in a new one, health care. First Democratic president since Johnson to get a major liberal program approved.
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You are correct! It's Bushcare. It was actually passed during Bush's administration. And all along I thought it was passed under Obama's watch. Silly me.
 
It's Bush Jr. Care, originating with our current President Bush Jr.

No, I'm wrong. It's RomneyCare, copied from Romney and first run through Republicans for every little conservative tweak they could make before Bush Jr. presented it to Democrats. Then Democrats caved in on the government negotiating lower prices to help insurance companies (the public option), which made the plan 100% Republican. Then Republicans unanimously voted against their own plan, but 60% of the Senate voted it in, and Republicans complained, without a crooked parliamentary maneuver, it would have been 59% so the minority could win! Democrats were crooked and we weren't!
 
Doesn't really matter. Congress requested documents and they were not provided. When Congress leaned on him, he demanded full immunity or else they would not be released citing Executive Privilege. To me, it just looks bad. Send over the documents and let the chips fall where they may. Obama pledged an open administration. Well, it's been fairly closed.

And it's not a left v. right issue. It's a matter of obeying Congress when they are acting within their rights under the constitution in a serious matter.
 
The belief that Fast & Furious isn't a left-right issue is exactly why this administration is protecting the previous administration and intelligence agencies who convinced Bush to use the plan.
 
jlprk said:
The belief that Fast & Furious isn't a left-right issue is exactly why this administration is protecting the previous administration and intelligence agencies who convinced Bush to use the plan.
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[looooooooooooong sigh]. You missed my point completely.
 
Zybot said:
That's nothing. Denny still won't respond to my records request for the S2 financial documents. Sorry Denny, S2 is NOT a 501(c)(3) charitable organization. The people demand answers! :redgrin:
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My pay is getting to see you guys happy.

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Holder testified that Obama knew nothing about this program, and wasn't aware of it.

The AG isn't covered by Executive privilege. This is Nixonian.
 
Wait until the leak hearings begin.

What is Obama hiding?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/flas...or-trying-to-hide-behind-executive-privilege/

Flashback 2007: Senator Obama Criticized President Bush For Trying To ‘Hide Behind’ Executive Privilege

This is President Barack Obama‘s first use of executive privilege. His predecessor PresidentGeorge W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times during his tenure. It turns out that in 2007, then-Senator Obama was a vocal critic of Bush’s assertion of executive privilege with respect to the investigations over the firing of United States Attorneys and the Valerie Plame leak.

“There’s been a tendency, on the part of this administration, to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place,” he told CNN’s Larry King. “I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved.”
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Wait until the leak hearings begin.

What is Obama hiding?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/flas...or-trying-to-hide-behind-executive-privilege/

Flashback 2007: Senator Obama Criticized President Bush For Trying To ‘Hide Behind’ Executive Privilege

This is President Barack Obama‘s first use of executive privilege. His predecessor PresidentGeorge W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times during his tenure. It turns out that in 2007, then-Senator Obama was a vocal critic of Bush’s assertion of executive privilege with respect to the investigations over the firing of United States Attorneys and the Valerie Plame leak.

“There’s been a tendency, on the part of this administration, to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place,” he told CNN’s Larry King. “I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved.”
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
No you didn't. At least, you gave a weak opinion.
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Rereading it, it couldn't be any clearer.

BLAZER PROPHET said:
At the very least, it is agreed he is hiding gross incompetence within his administration. The death of the border patrol agent demands a full accounting. Good or bad, this has to be aired.
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I'm all for every secret intelligence operation being aired, especially ones like this in which most blame will fall upon a Republican administration for subverting Mexico. Is that your belief, too?
 
jlprk said:
Rereading it, it couldn't be any clearer.[\QUOTE]

I did. You are wrong.

jlprk said:
I'm all for every secret intelligence operation being aired, especially ones like this in which most blame will fall upon a Republican administration for subverting Mexico. Is that your belief, too?
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Absolutely! I'm not a leftie or righty sheep that bleats out things to try and blame others for my mistakes and tries to cover up. I believe there has to be a certain amount of transparency in government and there must be full accountability in government. Without it, we're not a democracy. Obama is becoming more and more like Nixon. He needs to step to the plate, release the documents and be accountable for his administration just like any President should.
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
jlprk said:
Rereading it, it couldn't be any clearer.[\QUOTE]

I did. You are wrong.



Absolutely! I'm not a leftie or righty sheep that bleats out things to try and blame others for my mistakes and tries to cover up. I believe there has to be a certain amount of transparency in government and there must be full accountability in government. Without it, we're not a democracy. Obama is becoming more and more like Nixon. He needs to step to the plate, release the documents and be accountable for his administration just like any President should.
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We're not a democracy. We're a representative republic. And one of the reasons that is that case is so that every decision or document doesn't need to be seen and vetted by 50%+1 people. "Democracy" = "mob rule", which might be de facto where we're headed, but not constitutionally.

You don't get to vote on the budget. The senator and representative you elect do. A jury can't vote 7-5 for the death penalty and claim victory. Et cetera.
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I wasn't saying it to be picky...that's why I had the examples. There's a huge difference.

Look, I don't know what's going on with these documents, and I don't know if the President can hide behind Executive Privilege with them. But we're NOT a democracy in that everyone gets a vote on every issue....everyone gets to decide if a law is constitutional....everyone gets to decide if they want to share classified information or not. Going back to the Federalist Papers, our country has been strict about saying that we're not a democracy. I'm going to google this quote so that I get it right:

James Madison said:
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security of rights of property: and have in general been as short lived in their duration as they have been violent in their Deaths.”
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It stems from something a decade before at the Constitutional Conventions:
Madison said:
The first question that offers itself is, whether the general form of the government be strictly republican. It is evident that no other form would be reconcilable with the genius of the people of America: with the fundamental principles of the revolution; or with that honorable determination which animated every votary of freedom, to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government. If the plan of the convention, therefore, be found to depart from the republican character, its advocates must abandon it as no longer defensible.”
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I'm willing to vet 600-ish people for security clearances, spending time briefing them on war plans, etc. But to put everything to a majority vote is suicidal on its face.
 
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Blazer Prophet is circled here by the left, which sides with conservatives killing Mexicans, and the right, which sides with Obama to keep it secret that the right is behind this.

The only one here with pure motives is Blazer Prophet. In a foxhole I want BP with me, not James Madison, especially in his present condition.
 
Don't get too full of yourself. Just because your motives are pure doesn't mean you're right about anything.

:-)

(What is that? This keyboard has a special key just for it.)
 
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