Obama: GOP Holding "Gun at the Head of the American People"

[TradeNurkicNow]

Oh geez. You're playing dumb again? Or did you forget the demographic split in the 2008 democratic primaries where it was statistically obvious that race played a HUGE role in the black vote.

Did I forget a demographic split which became "statistically obvious" (to news networks, I'm assuming) 4 years ago? Yeah, I had that one written down and then I just plum forgot.

This has less to do with race than it does with culture. How many black republicans do you know?

 

[blazerboy30]

This has less to do with race than it does with culture. How many black republicans do you know?

What are you talking about? The number of black republicans has nothing to do with the voting split in the democratic party primaries in 2008.

 

[magnifier661]

So the black people vote for the black person and the white people vote for the white person? wait, the white people also voted for the black person. Also the Latinos. Did black people vote for the white person? Nope.

So who is voting based on race again?

The black people.

Your statement just proved that. White people voted for Obama; proving that they aren't basing their vote solely on color.

 

[Denny Crane]

Frankly, I don't see race as being the kind of factor people are talking about here. Minorities voted for the Democrat. The Democrat happened to be a minority. They'd have voted for a white guy or a white woman just the same.

Where race probably came into play was in 2008 when people turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama. But where did they go in 2012? One of the most important questions about the 2012 election is what happened to the electorate - they simply didn't show up to the polls as expected.

In 2012, Obama received 65.9M votes, Romney 60.9M votes, and others about 2.3M votes. That's 124.1M total voters.

In 2008, 132M people voted.

Looks to me like 8M people stayed home. Hardly a ringing endorsement or a mandate handed to the president.

To put it in perspective, in 2004, 122M people voted. In 2000, 104M people voted. In 1996, 96M people voted. See the pattern? In every election, there is a significant increase in the number of voters. Except for Obama's re-election.

 

[blazerboy30]

Frankly, I don't see race as being the kind of factor people are talking about here. Minorities voted for the Democrat. The Democrat happened to be a minority. They'd have voted for a white guy or a white woman just the same.

Where race probably came into play was in 2008 when people turned out in huge numbers to vote for Obama. But where did they go in 2012? One of the most important questions about the 2012 election is what happened to the electorate - they simply didn't show up to the polls as expected.

In 2012, Obama received 65.9M votes, Romney 60.9M votes, and others about 2.3M votes. That's 124.1M total voters.

In 2008, 132M people voted.

Looks to me like 8M people stayed home. Hardly a ringing endorsement or a mandate handed to the president.

To put it in perspective, in 2004, 122M people voted. In 2000, 104M people voted. In 1996, 96M people voted. See the pattern? In every election, there is a significant increase in the number of voters. Except for Obama's re-election.

Here we go again. You already played this strawman game and I had to continually remind you of what we were talking about. 2008 democratic party primaries. primaries. primaries. Say that over and over in your head until you realize what we're actually talking about. primaries. primaries. 2008 democratic primaries. primaries. 2008 democratic primaries.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Who's holding the "gun" now?



1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

 

[magnifier661]

Who's holding the "gun" now?



1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

Be careful... Maris said that the administration doesn't have the authority to ban guns.

 

[RR7]

Be careful... Maris said that the administration doesn't have the authority to ban guns.

do any of those 23 ban guns?

 

[Denny Crane]

Here we go again. You already played this strawman game and I had to continually remind you of what we were talking about. 2008 democratic party primaries. primaries. primaries. Say that over and over in your head until you realize what we're actually talking about. primaries. primaries. 2008 democratic primaries. primaries. 2008 democratic primaries.

magnifier wrote nothing about "in the primaries" or whatever.

 

[magnifier661]

do any of those 23 ban guns?

Let me re-phrase. Maris is against gun control and Obama is administering this control. Maris voted for Obama; therefor he voted for a president that supports gun control. Does that sound better?

 

[magnifier661]

magnifier wrote nothing about "in the primaries" or whatever.

And I wasn't meaning primaries either.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

do any of those 23 ban guns?

its a slippery slope. eventually, they will. this is just the first step.

 

[magnifier661]

its a slippery slope. eventually, they will. this is just the first step.

I don't get why it's defended when someone's party does something unconstitutional; then scream "bloody murder" when the other party does? It happens on both sides of the spectrum and I maybe guilty too. The reality is, the moment you give an inch like this; the moment the government will keep chipping away at your freedom. Then eventually, you will look forward to complete control and say "WTF just happened?!?!"

 

[RR7]

its a slippery slope. eventually, they will. this is just the first step.

oh yes, slippery slope. I love slippery slope arguments.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

well, when this doesn't work, they'll just get stricter and stricter. its not hard to see that as a real possibility.

they legislate based on statistical outliers.

 

[RR7]

its not hard to see that as a real possibility.

for someone that wants to see that possibility, and for someone who wants to believe everything begins a slippery slope, then sure.

 

[blazerboy30]

oh yes, slippery slope. I love slippery slope arguments.

They are usually true... especially when it comes to the government growing in size and power.

 

[RR7]

They are usually true....

is that so?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

is that so?

do you not reconize the groth in government and the addition of regulation?

 

[Denny Crane]

for someone that wants to see that possibility, and for someone who wants to believe everything begins a slippery slope, then sure.

Income tax was enacted with the promise that it would be a 2% tax on only the wealthy. How'd that slipper slope turn out?

 

[blazerboy30]

is that so?

When talking in the context of government spending, growth and power, yes.

 

[RR7]

Income tax was enacted with the promise that it would be a 2% tax on only the wealthy. How'd that slipper slope turn out?

If it did nothing but go up and up, then maybe you have a case. But what was the slippery slope there? Income tax is a slippery slope, soon they'll take all our money!! Where's the slippery slope it went down?

 

[Denny Crane]

If it did nothing but go up and up, then maybe you have a case. But what was the slippery slope there? Income tax is a slippery slope, soon they'll take all our money!! Where's the slippery slope it went down?

From the rich only paying 2% to everyone pretty much paying 10% and the rich paying over 1/2 their income in taxes.

You're only seeing the slippery slope in progress, not the end result.

A serious problem we have now is that a current congress can enact spending bills that spend in the future, and require future congresses to figure out how to pay for all that along with all the new great stuff government needs to spend money on. You end up with debt ceiling votes turning into major fights.

All I see is government wanting to spend more than 100% of what the country has to spend. It's never spent more (outside of WW II) than it is now, and it's only going to go up with ObamaCare and other BIG government initiatives that are bound to pass while the voter is asleep at the switch.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/budget.php

You can see for yourself that tax revenues do nothing but go up, except in years we have a recession. After the recession, the revenues resume their increase again.

 

[magnifier661]

If it did nothing but go up and up, then maybe you have a case. But what was the slippery slope there? Income tax is a slippery slope, soon they'll take all our money!! Where's the slippery slope it went down?

wait until the spending gets past and we can talk about that.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

We are going to see a much more assertive and aggressive Obama in his second term. His first term was so much compromise that he was critized both by the opposing party and within his own party.

2nd term, he cannot run for re-election, he is going to do the things he believes are best for this country, within the confines of the checks and balace system.

A gun plan that actually tries to take guns off the street . . . novel. Since I am for gun control, I don't have a problem so far. He avoided the fiscal cliff and rasied the bar on who gets that higher tax, no problem with me.

Eventually I suspect he will do something that I disagree with, but he is already showing he is going to go about this term differently. I'm excited and nervous to see what he will do in the next 4 years.

 

[blazerboy30]

We are going to see a much more assertive and aggressive Obama in his second term. His first term was so much compromise that he was critized both by the opposing party and within his own party.

2nd term, he cannot run for re-election, he is going to do the things he believes are best for this country, within the confines of the checks and balace system.

A gun plan that actually tries to take guns off the street . . . novel. Since I am for gun control, I don't have a problem so far. He avoided the fiscal cliff and rasied the bar on who gets that higher tax, no problem with me.

Eventually I suspect he will do something that I disagree with, but he is already showing he is going to go about this term differently. I'm excited and nervous to see what he will do in the next 4 years.

Do you honestly feel that he avoided the fiscal cliff?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the president is a crooked hypocrite who will do whatever makes his backers the most money

just like romney would have

next election dont throw your vote away and vote for who you want to win

 

[RR7]

the president is a crooked hypocrite who will do whatever makes his backers the most money

just like romney would have

next election dont throw your vote away and vote for who you want to win

if you don't want any to win, is it ok to throw the ballot in the trash? It's not technically throwing a vote away, but a ballot with no vote.

 

[blazerboy30]

if you don't want any to win, is it ok to throw the ballot in the trash? It's not technically throwing a vote away, but a ballot with no vote.

Write in somebody?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if you don't want any to win, is it ok to throw the ballot in the trash? It's not technically throwing a vote away, but a ballot with no vote.

well, you could just not vote and not waste the time and gas going down there, plus less trash in the landfill, and more ink for the next guy