Obama lied, people died

[chris_in_pdx]

Maybe to you, but not to the millions of people who care about the foreign invasion that is taking place at our southern border every single day.

Racism noted.

 

[Shooter]

 

[Shooter]

Racism noted.

Stupidity noted.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I love this thread: "IMPEACH OBAMA FOR USING MILITARY FORCE IN LIBYA!!!"

In an alternate universe, where Obama refused to get involved: "OBAMA STOOD ON THE SIDELINES AND DID NOTHING WHILE GENOCIDE OCCURRED IN LIBYA!! HE'S AN INEFFECTIVE WIMP!"

Cue: Glenn Beck.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Stupidity noted.

No.

 

[PapaG]

Racism noted.

Racism? Did Shooter mention race?

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Racism? Did Shooter mention race?

*rolling eyes*

 

[PapaG]

I love this thread: "IMPEACH OBAMA FOR USING MILITARY FORCE IN LIBYA!!!"

In an alternate universe, where Obama refused to get involved: "OBAMA STOOD ON THE SIDELINES AND DID NOTHING WHILE GENOCIDE OCCURRED IN LIBYA!! HE'S AN INEFFECTIVE WIMP!"

Cue: Glenn Beck.

Somebody fell into the deep end.

Free Throw Guy, some Batum graphic, and sentence fragments where you label people racists.

Everything OK?

 

[Shooter]

I love this thread: "IMPEACH OBAMA FOR USING MILITARY FORCE IN LIBYA!!!"

In an alternate universe, where Obama refused to get involved: "OBAMA STOOD ON THE SIDELINES AND DID NOTHING WHILE GENOCIDE OCCURRED IN LIBYA!! HE'S AN INEFFECTIVE WIMP!"

Sounds a little like the days of Bush, doesn't it? He took on an evil dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, and yet he got crucified because he didn't "stand on the sidelines."

 

[PapaG]

*rolling eyes*

Seriously. Where did he mention race? You injected race, meaning you view the border issue through a racial prism. It says more about your own apparent racism, IMO, than it says anything about Shooter.

 

[Denny Crane]

I love this thread: "IMPEACH OBAMA FOR USING MILITARY FORCE IN LIBYA!!!"

In an alternate universe, where Obama refused to get involved: "OBAMA STOOD ON THE SIDELINES AND DID NOTHING WHILE GENOCIDE OCCURRED IN LIBYA!! HE'S AN INEFFECTIVE WIMP!"

Cue: Glenn Beck.

Not so fast.

I think the impeachment talk is to underscore that Obama's move was unconstitutional. I don't at all think he's going to be impeached. It does say a lot about his respect for the constitution though.

A lot of the criticism over this new war activity is that it should have been done sooner, if the objective was to save peoples' lives over there. Since the action wasn't taken immediately, and obviously a lot of negotiation went on with the UN, he clearly had enough time to ask congress (the Senate, Democratic Party controlled, his own party) for authorization to use force.

To contrast Bush/Iraq with Obama/Libya, it was argued that Bush's action was in violation of international law but legal as far as our laws are concerned because there was congressional authority; the opposite is true for Obama (internationally legal, not legal according to US law)

 

[PapaG]

Sounds a little like the days of Bush, doesn't it? He took on an evil dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, and yet he got crucified because he didn't "stand on the sidelines."

Iraq had a history of conflict with the US, too.

Now, Obama looks to be steering NATO into what is a civil war.

 

[barfo]

Not so fast.

I think the impeachment talk is to underscore that Obama's move was unconstitutional. I don't at all think he's going to be impeached. It does say a lot about his respect for the constitution though.

A lot of the criticism over this new war activity is that it should have been done sooner, if the objective was to save peoples' lives over there. Since the action wasn't taken immediately, and obviously a lot of negotiation went on with the UN, he clearly had enough time to ask congress (the Senate, Democratic Party controlled, his own party) for authorization to use force.

To contrast Bush/Iraq with Obama/Libya, it was argued that Bush's action was in violation of international law but legal as far as our laws are concerned because there was congressional authority; the opposite is true for Obama (internationally legal, not legal according to US law)

I think the last 60 years of US history shows that, for better or worse, the president has the power to bomb whoever the fuck he wants whenever the fuck he wants.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Not so fast.

I think the impeachment talk is to underscore that Obama's move was unconstitutional.

The impeachment talk is a direct result of Obama's own opinion in 2007 on how the President uses the military. We already know Barack's opinion on this ... in 2007, at least, he said this was unconstitutional.

 

[Shooter]

 

[andalusian]

Sounds a little like the days of Bush, doesn't it?

Not really. The financial cost of the Iraq war per the CBO when all is said and done should be around $1.9 trillion dollars. I doubt you will see $100m for the Libya cost.

There is a difference between saying "water is bad, you can drown in it" and saying "water is good in the right amounts, otherwise you die of thirst".

He took on an evil dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, and yet he got crucified because he didn't "stand on the sidelines."

He got crucified because he committed too much money and lives for a very small direct impact on making the country better - which is world apart from the Libya operations.

I had no problems with the war in Afghanistan - it was pretty clear what it was and why. The war in Iraq was much more questionable - and the real problem was not just that there was a war - but that we committed to it without a real clear way of saying when "enough is enough" and there is no reason to go further.

This country would have been much, much better if Bush was to convince Iraq to open the doors for proper WMD inspections by committing much less costs and lives by going to an intensive bombing campaign instead of a full-on war. If there is something we learned from Sarajevo it is that a good, intensive air campaign can achieve everything we wanted in these wars at a much lower cost of lives and money. Unfortunately, Bush never bothered to pay attention to this.

 

[Mamba]

Racism noted.

Maybe shooter has a racist posting history (I don't know, at all), but how is this statement, racist?

 

[barfo]

how is this statement, racist?

Seems a little confrontational to me. We racists prefer to be called "Tea Partiers".

barfo

 

[Stevenson]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/24/us-libya-government-civilians-idUSTRE72N5SV20110324

In November of 2007, Obama said that the President does not have the right to go to war unless the country is being directly threatened by a foreign enemy. Yet a week ago he took us into war in Libya, and now almost 100 civilians are dead.

Where is the outrage? And is Obama going to give back the Nobel Peace Prize?

Shooter - you well know that there has been no declaration of war since Korea -- not for Vietnam, not for Grenada, not for Kosovo, not for Kuwait, Iraq or Afghanistan. And no, this is not a war.

Your post is disingenuous on many levels.

 

[Denny Crane]

“I want to point out that I’m in pretty good company raising this question. Because Joe Biden, when he was a candidate in December 2007, said that if President Bush had gone ahead to attack Iran without congressional authorization, that he would move to impeach him. President Obama said the president doesn’t have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation…My reading of the Constitution is consistent with the people who are now president and vice president.” -- Dennis Kucinich

 

[barfo]

Shooter - you well know that there has been no declaration of war since Korea -- not for Vietnam, not for Grenada, not for Kosovo, not for Kuwait, Iraq or Afghanistan. And no, this is not a war.

Your post is disingenuous on many levels.

Actually, I think we didn't declare war in Korea. I think the last time we declared war it was on the Japanese.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

My, my, my, how quickly we forget. Or are you simply oblivious to irony, barfo?

The Left jumped all over the civilian casualty figures coming out of Iraq to prove that Bush was a warmonger and a murderer. I'm just turning the tables, and showing that the same can be said of Obama.

Yeah, because 100,000 and 100 are pretty much the same number of deaths.

I find it remarkable that Obama has taken us into war, without even discussing it with Congress, whereas Bush actually got a Congressoinal Resolution to go to war in Iraq. And yet Bush was the "criminal."

He discussed it with them 24 hours before he did it, as has been reported in all major media.

 

[Shooter]

Shooter - you well know that there has been no declaration of war since Korea -- not for Vietnam, not for Grenada, not for Kosovo, not for Kuwait, Iraq or Afghanistan. And no, this is not a war.

No "declaration" of war--but plenty of wars, as you point out. The point is not what you call it--the point is what it really is, which is why Kucinich and other members of Obama's own party are so upset about this.

 

[Eastoff]

Comparing Iraq to Libya is pretty ridiculous. That is all.

 

[Denny Crane]

Pretty neat how we're going to set up a no fly zone over a nation that has its air force destroyed.

That's a head scratcher.

 

[Shooter]

Yeah, because 100,000 and 100 are pretty much the same number of deaths.

The 100 deaths in Libya are a direct result of Mr. Obama's bombing campaign. The 100,000 or so deaths in Iraq were mainly due to suicide bombers.

He discussed it with them 24 hours before he did it, as has been reported in all major media.

Discussed, perhaps. Got their approval, no.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

The 100 deaths in Libya are a direct result of Mr. Obama's bombing campaign. The 100,000 or so deaths in Iraq were mainly due to suicide bombers.

Non laughably-biased Link?

 

[MrJayremmie]

The 100 deaths in Libya are a direct result of Mr. Obama's bombing campaign. The 100,000 or so deaths in Iraq were mainly due to suicide bombers.

Whoa... what?

 

[barfo]

Pretty neat how we're going to set up a no fly zone over a nation that has its air force destroyed.

That's a head scratcher.

They might not have fighter jets, but they do have things that can fly. Pretty sure I saw some footage of helicopters.

barfo

 

[barfo]

The 100 deaths in Libya are a direct result of Mr. Obama's bombing campaign. The 100,000 or so deaths in Iraq were mainly due to suicide bombers.

Oh, come on, you can do better than that.

The 100,000 were due to suicides. They gave their lives voluntarily to welcome us to Iraq.

barfo