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Am I alone in not caring whether Obama wiretapped Trump? Or whether Russia tried to influence the election? I mean really, I honestly don't see why either is that big a deal.

As long as Trump wasn't actually harmed by the "spying", and as long as the Russians didn't actually physically change any of the vote totals, it's all completely irrelevant.
 
Obama did spy on Trump Tower. And my house, and yours.

There's a reason the NSA built a massive data warehouse in Utah - to store every bit of everything they can obtained by spying on us all.

Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know this.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Am I alone in not caring whether Obama wiretapped Trump? Or whether Russia tried to influence the election? I mean really, I honestly don't see why either is that big a deal.

As long as Trump wasn't actually harmed by the "spying", and as long as the Russians didn't actually physically change any of the vote totals, it's all completely irrelevant.
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I have absolutely no idea what Trump meant by being wiretapped. And his tweets about it were embarrassing. When Trump actually tells us what he meant, we can decide whether it is worth caring about or not. As for Russia -- it doesn't matter whether they succeeded in changing the outcome or not. That's like saying attempted murder's not a big deal, because the murder attempt was unsuccessful. If we "don't care", it only encourages the behavior more. And all people should care, because they might be the target next time.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama did spy on Trump Tower. And my house, and yours.

There's a reason the NSA built a massive data warehouse in Utah - to store every bit of everything they can obtained by spying on us all.

Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know this.
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Still doing it.
 
I find it amusing in some sense that response has gone from emphatically denying Trump's accusation, even up to last week when Rice said she knew nothing of any surveillance on Trump's people, to the current stand. We only did what we have a right to do.. Big Big jump. I suspect we will learn before this drama closes, that these Politicians will use the data NSA colectes in anyway they can, when ever they think it might help them in their agenda.

It surprises me to see anyone post, they don't care. I think we need to end the spying since it is obvious there are no protections, anyone could be harmed.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama did spy on Trump Tower. And my house, and yours.

There's a reason the NSA built a massive data warehouse in Utah - to store every bit of everything they can obtained by spying on us all.

Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know this.
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The Utah center was known. There were pictures of it on the news as it were being built. And what was being collected on us by the NSA came from Snowden before WikiLeaks.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Utah center was known. There were pictures of it on the news as it were being built. And what was being collected on us by the NSA came from Snowden before WikiLeaks.
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Obama did spy on Trump tower.

Everyone knows it except CNN. They saw the buildings in Utah being built, but don't talk about it when making it look like Trump lied about being "wiretapped."

What's clear is that some in the Obama administration specifically sought collected communications (and found nothing incriminating at all).
 
Denny Crane said:
What's clear is that some in the Obama administration specifically sought collected communications (and found nothing incriminating at all).
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Nothing else to say. Nothing else to see, except for the crimes they committed in the attempt.
 
http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/05/why-susan-rices-role-in-the-trump-spying-scandal-is-a-big-deal/

https://townhall.com/columnists/mar...ing-is-a-national-security-nightmare-n2309540

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...aign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-detailed-had-info-about-everyday-lives.html

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...commit-a-crime-its-starting-to-look-that-way/

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...e-entire-obama-russian-motive/comment-page-1/

https://aclj.org/national-security/susan-rice-unmasking-scandal-cries-out-for-a-grand-jury

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/04/susan-rice-unmasked/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...litical-espionage-is-too-common-too-tempting/

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/andrew-napolitano-susan-rice-trump-espionage/2017/04/04/id/782382/
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama did spy on Trump tower.

Everyone knows it except CNN. They saw the buildings in Utah being built, but don't talk about it when making it look like Trump lied about being "wiretapped."
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by this measure, trump is currently spying on bernie sanders. and every other democrat that might run in 2020.

UNFAIR! MUST APPOLOGIZE!
 
3RA1N1AC said:
by this measure, trump is currently spying on bernie sanders. and every other democrat that might run in 2020.

UNFAIR! MUST APPOLOGIZE!
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Trump should end the spying programs. I have more hope he will than for the loser.

Sanders was spied on. Not only by the NSA, who spied on congress (it was a big stink only a little while ago), but this:

http://observer.com/2016/11/email-reveals-clinton-camp-spied-on-sanders-delegates-before-convention/

Email Reveals Clinton Camp Spied on Sanders Delegates Before Convention

Reference:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/is-the-nsa-spying-on-congress
 
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