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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/296862-obama-vetoes-9-11-bill

President Obama on Friday vetoed legislation that would allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S courts, setting up a high-stakes showdown with Congress.

“I recognize that there is nothing that could ever erase the grief the 9/11 families have endured," Obama wrote in his veto message. "Enacting JASTA into law, however would neither protect Americans from terrorist attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks."

Obama’s move opens up the possibility that lawmakers could override his veto for the first time with a two-thirds vote in both chambers.
Republican and Democratic leaders have said they are committed to holding an override vote, and the bill’s drafters say they have the support to force the bill to become law.

The Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) unanimously passed through both chambers by voice vote.

But the timing of the president’s veto is designed to erode congressional support for the bill and put off a politically damaging override vote until after the November elections.
 
...maintaining the inside job status quo, nothing to see here! :sigh:
 
Can I get a "thanks Obama!" ?
 
Smart move to veto this.

From a national standpoint of not wanting to piss off the Saudis, sure. Not so much from the standpoint of the families who were damaged through the loss of loved ones by the attacks.
 
From a national standpoint of not wanting to piss off the Saudis, sure. Not so much from the standpoint of the families who were damaged through the loss of loved ones by the attacks.

I don't give 2 shits about the Saudis and I hate the continued sucking of their dicks by both parties. Saudi Arabia is a few years away from civil war and we're going to get drawn into it.

Why I don't think this is a very good idea is because we're a country that tends to pull some shit around the world. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes he drone bomb the wrong person. Do we really want an Afghani goat farmer suing the USA for $10mill because we scared his best goat? We allowing our citizens to sue other countries is only going to invite other countries to sue us. At least our courts will be fair, do you really trust Iraqi, Syrian, and Afghani courts to be fair and just?
 
I don't give 2 shits about the Saudis and I hate the continued sucking of their dicks by both parties. Saudi Arabia is a few years away from civil war and we're going to get drawn into it.

Why I don't think this is a very good idea is because we're a country that tends to pull some shit around the world. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes he drone bomb the wrong person. Do we really want an Afghani goat farmer suing the USA for $10mill because we scared his best goat? We allowing our citizens to sue other countries is only going to invite other countries to sue us. At least our courts will be fair, do you really trust Iraqi, Syrian, and Afghani courts to be fair and just?

Good points. I have no idea about international law on this subject Does the ability of the goat farmer to sue the USA depend upon what we do, or don't do, in this case?
 
I don't give 2 shits about the Saudis and I hate the continued sucking of their dicks by both parties. Saudi Arabia is a few years away from civil war and we're going to get drawn into it.

Why I don't think this is a very good idea is because we're a country that tends to pull some shit around the world. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes he drone bomb the wrong person. Do we really want an Afghani goat farmer suing the USA for $10mill because we scared his best goat? We allowing our citizens to sue other countries is only going to invite other countries to sue us. At least our courts will be fair, do you really trust Iraqi, Syrian, and Afghani courts to be fair and just?

We'll just pay them back in dropped bombs.
 
Good points. I have no idea about international law on this subject Does the ability of the goat farmer to sue the USA depend upon what we do, or don't do, in this case?

I'm not sure either and I really don't think our elected representatives know either.
 
Good points. I have no idea about international law on this subject Does the ability of the goat farmer to sue the USA depend upon what we do, or don't do, in this case?

The measure "would upset longstanding international principles regarding sovereign immunity, putting in place rules that, if applied globally, could have serious implications for U.S. national interests," the White House said Friday in a three-page veto message to the Senate. The statement didn’t cite Saudi Arabia by name.

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House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry of Texas said in a letter to fellow Republicans that he opposes a veto override.

"My primary concern is that this bill increases the risk posed to American military and intelligence personnel, diplomats and others serving our country around the world" because it may lead to legal action against them in foreign courts, Thornberry said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...audi-9-11-legislation-opening-override-battle
 
Why shouldn't we get sued in foreign courts? If we're dropping bombs in undeclared war, it's illegal.
 
Just sue us govt for funding osama to fight the russians in desert storm.
 
I don't give 2 shits about the Saudis and I hate the continued sucking of their dicks by both parties. Saudi Arabia is a few years away from civil war and we're going to get drawn into it.

Why I don't think this is a very good idea is because we're a country that tends to pull some shit around the world. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes he drone bomb the wrong person. Do we really want an Afghani goat farmer suing the USA for $10mill because we scared his best goat? We allowing our citizens to sue other countries is only going to invite other countries to sue us. At least our courts will be fair, do you really trust Iraqi, Syrian, and Afghani courts to be fair and just?

This.
 
I don't give 2 shits about the Saudis and I hate the continued sucking of their dicks by both parties. Saudi Arabia is a few years away from civil war and we're going to get drawn into it.

Why I don't think this is a very good idea is because we're a country that tends to pull some shit around the world. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes he drone bomb the wrong person. Do we really want an Afghani goat farmer suing the USA for $10mill because we scared his best goat? We allowing our citizens to sue other countries is only going to invite other countries to sue us. At least our courts will be fair, do you really trust Iraqi, Syrian, and Afghani courts to be fair and just?

We want our President to bring the Saudis to a US court to answer for 9/11. It's his sworn duty.

He won't because our government was in cahoots with them from Day 1.

The least he could do is step aside and let Justice be sought.
 
I'm not one for suing people. Like I was at the DMV last time I got my license renewal and I had to park way out and I cut through some trees that looked all nice and fluffy but the landscapers had left a jagged branch sticking out and it caught my favorite shirt and tore it and sliced my shoulder open. Phew, that was a long sentence and I said it with a valley girl voice in my head as I typed it.

Anyway, I should have totally sued those fuckers and people with lesser cases have probably sued and won or at least settled but I'm just not a big lawsuit type of guy. I could have got some disease from the tree and died. Then my wife would have sued, I hope anyway.

EDIT, I still have a scar on my shoulder.
 
I am not surprised a bunch of lawyers unanimously passed a bill that would create more work for lawyers.

I am also not surprised that a politician vetoed a bill that would eventually result in holding him accountable and financially responsible for his actions.
 
Our government was a co-conspirator in 9/11, so the veto was a given.

It will be over-ridden and it will be the nail in Hillary's political coffin.
 

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