Occupy Portland

[Denny Crane]

[video=youtube;OeuGx8PplAo]

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would have gone ... except that I was at work ... working ... at my job ...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Michael Moore has confirmed that he will be visiting Chapman & Lownsdale Sq. this Monday, October 31st at 3:30pm. #OccupyPortland"

 

[tlongII]

mocking the diversity of Portland's occupy crowd seems an empty commentary coming from someone who has consistently trumpeted the tea party gatherings. Pretty obvious why all the right wing folks here have their panties in a bunch and are sniping at this massive grassroots movement. When do the cops take the gloves off and start beating stinky hippy ass right?

STOMP

Grassroots huh? LOL.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

it sounds like they'll be occupying a park in the Pearl district because somehow they represent the 1% ?

its pretty obvious they are just jealous that other people have money (or rent to live in a nice yuppie area). I'm pretty sure the average income in the Pearl isn't even close to $380k or how much it is to be part of the 1%.

 

[BrianFromWA]

wait a second. I thought the 1% was "wealth", not "income". Am I missing out? In one case, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates (who don't come close to making 380k in salary) are the 99%, but a heart surgeon is in the 1%, where in the other Gates and Bezos and Paul Allen are the enemy 1% and people who make 6 figures but are upside-down on their house are less wealthy than some homeless dude under the bridge (whose net worth ~0).

 

[Ed O]

wait a second. I thought the 1% was "wealth", not "income". Am I missing out? In one case, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates (who don't come close to making 380k in salary) are the 99%, but a heart surgeon is in the 1%, where in the other Gates and Bezos and Paul Allen are the enemy 1% and people who make 6 figures but are upside-down on their house are less wealthy than some homeless dude under the bridge (whose net worth ~0).

I think it's income, but it includes capital gains.

How much income really matters is another question, of course...

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

If minorities lacked the backbone to stand up for themselves the NBA wouldn't be locked out right now.

Good point. And yet minorities (20% of Portlanders) are conspicuously absent from the protest.

Maybe the difference is NBA players are rich enough to buy backbones?

 

[Further]

I went down to occupy portland today, and I have been a supporter (not a protester) but today I spoke with a few groups of people and was very worried about some of the things that one group of young men were saying.

Basically, they were saying that the time has come to "beat down those fucking bankers with our boots". When I responded that this is a peaceful protest and violence is not the message to send, one of the kids said "the message I'll be sending is that if you help run the banks, you'll die."

I walked across the street to the a policeman and told him exactly what transpired, and pointed out the kids. The cop thanked me and went to talk with the guys. Hopefully, it was just bluster, but that shit scares me.

 

[Haakzilla]

I went down to occupy portland today, and I have been a supporter (not a protester) but today I spoke with a few groups of people and was very worried about some of the things that one group of young men were saying.

Basically, they were saying that the time has come to "beat down those fucking bankers with our boots". When I responded that this is a peaceful protest and violence is not the message to send, one of the kids said "the message I'll be sending is that if you help run the banks, you'll die."

I walked across the street to the a policeman and told him exactly what transpired, and pointed out the kids. The cop thanked me and went to talk with the guys. Hopefully, it was just bluster, but that shit scares me.

...some are delusional and lack proper education on the main topics of discussion, but some of them are just impostors and phonies!!!
[video=youtube;VrvMzqopHH0]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

[Flickr]

 

[Further]

...some are delusional and lack proper education on the main topics of discussion, but some of them are just impostors and phonies!!!
[video=youtube;VrvMzqopHH0]

It's possible, but not probable. The main kid talking about violence had shaggy hair and tats on his fingers.

 

[ABM]

This war memorial is being used as a makeshift water fountain and waste water disposal station. The memorial was donated by Mothers, Sisters and Wives of the fallen.

 

[ABM]

 

[Haakzilla]

...vote Ron Paul!

 

[julius]

That's a neat drawing and all, but it's not exactly accurate.

But I'm not surprised considering the source.

 

[BrianFromWA]

which parts (aside from "Replace the Constitution") do you feel are inaccurate?

 

[julius]

which parts (aside from "Replace the Constitution") do you feel are inaccurate?

That the Tea Party was against Bush, the "Tax those evil fat cats into oblivion", The solution is to increase government control over the economy, we should be bailed out too, break the system, we deserve other peoples money and how they have the audacity to say "get the money out of politics (cept for unions)" when a lot of their movement was funded by the Koch brothers.

But yeah, other then that the graph has neat colors.

 

[ABM]

This war memorial is being used as a makeshift water fountain and waste water disposal station. The memorial was donated by Mothers, Sisters and Wives of the fallen.

Update:

 

[BrianFromWA]

1. They were against big-spending politicians (unless you're saying that Bush wasn't one?)
2. Fine. "Tax those evil 1%ers into oblivion"
3. "The solution is to keep the government spending high, and just tax those evil 1%ers more to pay for it" doesn't have the same ring
4. "Break the system" is absolutely a mantra.
5. "We deserve other people's money" How can you disagree with this? They want to tax rich people more and have their student loans (among other things) paid.
6. "Get the money out of politics" (except for the hundreds of billions that went from the stimulus to the unions 2 months after Obama took office. Hmm)

 

[julius]

1. They were against big-spending politicians (unless you're saying that Bush wasn't one?)

Once Obama got into office.

2. Fine. "Tax those evil 1%ers into oblivion"

They aren't for that either.

3. "The solution is to keep the government spending high, and just tax those evil 1%ers more to pay for it" doesn't have the same ring

they're not for that either.

4. "Break the system" is absolutely a mantra.

Not really.

5. "We deserve other people's money" How can you disagree with this? They want to tax rich people more and have their student loans (among other things) paid.

because you're simplifying it AND taking a small portion of the issue and extrapolating it onto the whole.

6. "Get the money out of politics" (except for the hundreds of billions that went from the stimulus to the unions 2 months after Obama took office. Hmm)

Yeah, cept that the other side (TP) didn't mind it until Obama took office and then all then they were angry about it (and blamed some of it on Obama when it wasn't his doing).

So like I said, that picture is neat and all, as long as you either don't care to find out the information of what they're talking about for yourself, or just want to repeat the same lies about what they're upset about over and over.

They don't want to tax anyone into "oblivion", but rather wish that those who are getting tax breaks/abuse loop holes/have the jobs they do provide escape the country, not make record profits in the mean time and then fire their workers or cut their salaries and in the process claim that there is no market for their product, forgetting that one reason there is "no market" for it is because they've cut the salaries of workers or the jobs of the workers. And on top of that, those who were responsible for the collapse/failures of 2008 barely got penalties for it AND in some cases got millions in bonus's.

And as for the student loan thing, I think that's overblown by people who just want to see this is as the poor trying to steal from the rich, instead of saying "hey, you know, the way you've set up college is unfair for those who can't afford it, and you've turned it into a "for profit over anything else" system" and maybe we should fix that".

AND, btw, the "hundreds of billions that went from the stimulus to the unions 2 months after Obama took office" wasn't exactly solely Obamas doing, nor did they complain prior to his term. So like I've said already in this actual post (and felt like repeating myself since that seems to be what people do nowadays to get points across), the graph was not very accurate other then it had two colors.

And for fucks sake, it was done by a tea party group. You don't think they'd have any reason to be biased towards what they're presenting, do you? I mean seriously?

Because they do. And are. Just as if you posted a picture/graph/whatever that was created by OWS, and had similar half truths and bullshit about the other side, you'd think 'well, maybe thats not actually what is the case'.

 

[julius]

Update:

obviously that wasn't done by a protester, they don't care about America or anything.

btw, I'm glad someone did that (the "respect this memorial" thing)

 

[ABM]

obviously that wasn't done by a protester, they don't care about America or anything.

btw, I'm glad someone did that (the "respect this memorial" thing)

My boss did it.

 

[julius]

My boss did it.

good!

I'm personally perterbed when I see people disrespecting historical stuff or memorials. My family has a tombstone at one of the cemeteries in the region, and some punk ass shit stain knocked it over because it was 'funny'.

And even though this is a long dead relative (who died LONG before I was born, and before Oregon/Washington were states) I wanted to kick that little shits teeth in.

 

[BrianFromWA]

And for fucks sake, it was done by a tea party group. You don't think they'd have any reason to be biased towards what they're presenting, do you? I mean seriously?

Because they do. And are. Just as if you posted a picture/graph/whatever that was created by OWS, and had similar half truths and bullshit about the other side, you'd think 'well, maybe thats not actually what is the case'.

Too much here that you're not going to care about, or want to discuss the "truth" part of what you call half-truths. That's ok. It's probably purely propoganda. Then again, it's also probably something visceral that OWS supporters don't want to see, b/c it both marginalizes the claims of those who want to believe OWS is a fresh new movement full of purity and hope for a better future, staffed and supported by those who are just out for a fair deal for everyone; while at the same time pointing out that the vitriol spewed toward the Tea Party was misplaced and funneled by hate-mongers. And many that bought into that are now attempting to achieve similar results as the Tea Party, but by blaming people making 380k instead of people they voted for. With a touch of hypocrisy thrown in.
Since you're dismissing out of hand b/c of the source, who is it that you DO believe?

 

[barfo]

Too much here that you're not going to care about, or want to discuss the "truth" part of what you call half-truths. That's ok. It's probably purely propoganda. Then again, it's also probably something visceral that OWS supporters don't want to see, b/c it both marginalizes the claims of those who want to believe OWS is a fresh new movement full of purity and hope for a better future, staffed and supported by those who are just out for a fair deal for everyone; while at the same time pointing out that the vitriol spewed toward the Tea Party was misplaced and funneled by hate-mongers.

Two sides of the same coin. The vitriol spewed towards the Tea Party is now being spewed towards OWS. Truly, turnabout is fair play.

barfo

 

[julius]

Since you're dismissing out of hand b/c of the source, who is it that you DO believe?

myself. What I've personally seen and heard.

 

[bluefrog]

The main problem I have with this graphic is that it compares the fringe views of OWS with the "mainstream" or core beliefs of the Tea Party. It's a dishonest representation.

Just with the Tea Party we are seeing most attention given to the extreme or radical views of a few people who identify with OWS.

 

[Denny Crane]

What aren't the fringe views of OWS?

 

[bluefrog]

fringe /frinj/

Adjective: Any idea or belief that is not part of the Denny's world view despite having mainstream or widespread support.

See "Undennysque"