Occupy Wall Street

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[bluefrog]

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems like the cancer patients are the 1%. And the pharma companies have lots of assistance programs for those who can't afford meds.

 

[bluefrog]

My sister tried to participate in one of these "assistance programs". She died 4 months before being accepted. Paperwork and waiting times are ridiculous.

 

[MARIS61]

That's nice for people who want to murder strangers for a living, but what about regular folks?

Military life is awfully close to socialism. Free schooling, healthcare, food, board, transportation, clothes, early retirement...

 

[BrianFromWA]

Military life is quite close to socialism. You serve the state (supporting and defending the Constitution), suborning your own rights, in order to protect the rights that "regular folks" can't or won't. You live under a different set of rules, and life with different punishments. You have mandatory schooling, mandatory room inspections, mandatory clothing inspections, you don't own anything but the clothes on your back, and work hours that are defined by your boss, not by you.You don't get paid o n performance, and have your salary capped based on rank and time. And you don't get to quit.

 

[barfo]

Military life is quite close to socialism. You serve the state (supporting and defending the Constitution), suborning your own rights, in order to protect the rights that "regular folks" can't or won't. You live under a different set of rules, and life with different punishments. You have mandatory schooling, mandatory room inspections, mandatory clothing inspections, you don't own anything but the clothes on your back, and work hours that are defined by your boss, not by you.You don't get paid o n performance, and have your salary capped based on rank and time. And you don't get to quit.

Sounds like not just socialism, but childhood.

barfo

 

[Further]

Seems like the cancer patients are the 1%. And the pharma companies have lots of assistance programs for those who can't afford meds.

Yes and no. The sister of a coworker just went through chemo. She did not have insurance from the restaurant where she worked, nor did she get insurance on her own. She was able to get the chemo via programs that were offered, but she still has to pay. she is now 62K in debt from all the medical bills, but on the bright side, is 4 months cancer free.

 

[MARIS61]

You serve the state (supporting and defending the Constitution), suborning your own rights, in order to protect the rights that "regular folks" can't or won't.

I've heard this silly claim for years.

Which of my rights do you think I can't or won't protect myself without needing the military?

 

[barfo]

I've heard this silly claim for years.

Which of my rights do you think I can't or won't protect myself without needing the military?

You have the right to invade Iraq. If you cannot afford to invade Iraq, an invasion of Iraq will be charged to your credit card.

barfo

 

[Ed O]

Yes and no. The sister of a coworker just went through chemo. She did not have insurance from the restaurant where she worked, nor did she get insurance on her own. She was able to get the chemo via programs that were offered, but she still has to pay. she is now 62K in debt from all the medical bills, but on the bright side, is 4 months cancer free.

And, without big corporations, she would not have had the opportunity to be cancer-free.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

My sister tried to participate in one of these "assistance programs". She died 4 months before being accepted. Paperwork and waiting times are ridiculous.

Your family didn't try to help her get treatment outside of an "assistance" program via financial assistance or loans? I'm sorry for your loss, but your anecdote lacks details. If you don't mind, can you give me the entire story?

 

[PapaG]

That's nice for people who want to murder strangers for a living, but what about regular folks?

Military life is awfully close to socialism. Free schooling, healthcare, food, board, transportation, clothes, early retirement...

Desperation is setting in for this old hippie...

 

[Further]

And, without big corporations, she would not have had the opportunity to be cancer-free.

Ed O.

EDIT: I revealed some info that I would rather keep private

But what I basically said was that I don't have a problem with "Big Pharma" earning money, nor with doctors and hospitals making money. The problem I have is I believe there should be a level of healthcare including preventative medicine and at least a good portion of catastrophic care. I work at a hospital, and I see first hand how much money goes to the administration and it's gross. I also see how patients are routinely prescribed medications based on sexy pharmaceutical reps spreading money (or gifts) around. Lots of other waste, and I think it's gotten out of hand. It has become a money grab for a lot of people, mostly administration.

 

[STOMP]

charming video of police beating college students at Cal

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STOMP

 

[PapaG]

charming video of police beating college students at Cal

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STOMP

Get out the firehoses. Looks like a white supremist meeting to me. I do like the irony of kids who can afford to go to Cal complaining about the fairness of life, though.

 

[PapaG]

Tuberculosis Breaks Out At Occupy Atlanta’s Base
November 10, 2011 1:55 PM



ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.

The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact.

“Over the last three months were have been two persons who have resided in this facility who have been diagnosed with confirmed or suspected infectious tuberculosis (TB),” said Fulton County Services Director Matthew McKenna in a written statement to CBS Atlanta. “One of these persons was confirmed to have a strain of TB that is resistant to a single, standard medication used to treat this condition. All person(s) identified as positive have begun treatment and are being monitored to ensure that medication is taken as directed.”

The Atlanta Task Force for the Homeless has indicated that two cases have been made public knowledge to the group, the first coming from someone who contracted the disease in September. The identities of the people who have contracted the disease, however, have not been disclosed by the health department to this point.

The news of the tuberculosis contractions could force Occupy Atlanta to move once again. WGCL reports that more than 100 protesters made the move to the homeless shelter Oct. 30 after Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed evicted Occupy Atlanta from Woodruff Park, citing that they were no longer allowed to camp out overnight. The homeless shelter is also facing an eviction of its own from the city.

Messages left by CBS Atlanta for Occupy Atlanta and the Atlanta Task Force for the Homeless were not immediately returned.

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/11/10/tuberculosis-breaks-out-at-occupy-atlantas-base/

 

[Ed O]

charming video of police beating college students at Cal

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I don't know the context for that... why the police wanted them to move and why a few individuals would rather stand there, talking shit, than move.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

Fuckin' cowards.

 

[MARIS61]

Get out the firehoses. Looks like a white supremist meeting to me. I do like the irony of kids who can afford to go to Cal complaining about the fairness of life, though.

Never heard of working hard to get good enough grades for a scholarship?

 

[MARIS61]

And, without big corporations, she would not have had the opportunity to be cancer-free.

Ed O.

Without big corporations she probably would not have cancer in the first place.

 

[MARIS61]

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/11/10/tuberculosis-breaks-out-at-occupy-atlantas-base/

Probably just an incredible coincidence that the headquarters for DHS's main bioterrorism lab (the CDC) is located in Altlanta.

I'm sure the TB wasn't intentionally introduced into the homeless shelter as a WMD.

That would be un-American.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not disagreeing that this seems awfully coincidental, but the CDC was founded in 1942, and is part of Dept of Health. DHS was founded less than 10 years ago.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm not disagreeing that this seems awfully coincidental, but the CDC was founded in 1942, and is part of Dept of Health. DHS was founded less than 10 years ago.

And...?

 

[jlprk]

I'm sure the TB wasn't intentionally introduced into the homeless shelter as a WMD.

American Indians were exterminated by gifting them with blankets soiled in tuberculosis. Just take them from TB victims and transport them to the tribes. The war method goes back at least as far as the Roman Empire 2000 years ago. Nowadays we're told that the main Indian cause of death was disease (accidentally) introduced by Europeans.

In the late 60s, the FBI often smeared toilet seats used by radical leaders with VD. It worked. A lot of things came out in the Watergate era that was reported once, then never saw the light of day again.

 

[PapaG]

Probably just an incredible coincidence that the headquarters for DHS's main bioterrorism lab (the CDC) is located in Altlanta.

I'm sure the TB wasn't intentionally introduced into the homeless shelter as a WMD.

That would be un-American.

You're a kook, MARIS. I can think of worse diseases to spread at a homeless shelter than TB. TB would be about 20th on the list for the CDC, wouldn't it?

 

[MARIS61]

You're a kook, MARIS. I can think of worse diseases to spread at a homeless shelter than TB. TB would be about 20th on the list for the CDC, wouldn't it?

No, I can't.

 

[ABM]

http://news.yahoo.com/singer-crashes-obama-summit-occupy-song-212243354.html

A popular Hawaiian recording artist turned a top-security dinner of Pacific Rim leaders hosted by President Barack Obama into a subtle protest with a song in support of the "Occupy" movement.

Makana, who goes by one name, was enlisted to play a luau, or Hawaiian feast, Saturday night for leaders assembled in Obama's birthplace Honolulu for an annual summit that is formulating plans for a Pacific free-trade pact.

But in the midst of the dinner on the resort strip Waikiki Beach, he pulled open his jacket to reveal a T-shirt that read "Occupy with Aloha," using the Hawaiian word whose various meanings include love and peace. He then sang a marathon version of his new song "We Are The Many."

"I was pretty nervous. In fact I was terrified. I kept thinking 'what are the consequences going to be?'" Makana, 33, told AFP.

"It was incredibly comical. I was terrified but also enjoying it," he said.

Makana, who was born Matthew Swalinkavich, said the song prompted awkward stares from a few of those present but the Obamas appeared too absorbed with their guests to notice what was happening.

The performance occurred at a dinner for summit participants from 21 economies around the Asia-Pacific, including Chinese President Hu Jintao and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, amid a security lockdown in Waikiki.

As Makana sang, about 400 protesters including anti-globalization and native Hawaiian rights activists staged a protest march toward the dinner site but turned back after encountering the smothering security.

Makana released the song on the Internet the day before and decided to play it at the urging of fans, he said.

Inspired by the anti-capitalist movement that began with the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations in New York, it denounces Washington politicians, corporate greed and what he sees as an unfair American economic system.

The song features the refrain, "We’ll occupy the streets, we’ll occupy the courts, we’ll occupy the offices of you, till you do the bidding of the many, not the few."

He sang it "over and over" for 40 minutes, varying his tempo and delivery to avoid triggering an overt reaction.

"Whenever I felt the heat might come down, I would ease off. It was a very careful procedure," he said.

 

[Ed O]

Makana showed the Man, didn't he? 40 minutes of a song that people ignored.

Good going, dude.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

[video]http://makanamusic.com/?slide=we-are-the-many[/video]