Oden 100% healthy

[BlazerCaravan]

It's up there with Braveheart, Shawshank and Gladiator.

I don't think Braveheart should be in the same conversation as Princess Bride, personally.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

I don't think Braveheart should be in the same conversation as Princess Bride, personally.

correct. Braveheart is far superior. so are gladiator and Shawshank actually. princess bride is still good, not on that level though.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

correct. Braveheart is far superior. so are gladiator and Shawshank actually. princess bride is still good, not on that level though.

None of them are nearly as funny as Princess Bride, though... so obviously they are inferior movies. That's the trouble with comparing apples and oranges; they are both fruit, but each provides a different enough experience to become pretty much impossible to objectively value one over the other.

 

[Master Shake]

Anyone care to give me a prediction on what you think his stats are going to be?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Anyone care to give me a prediction on what you think his stats are going to be?

Fuck, why not?

Games Played - 72
Minutes Per Game - 28
Points Per Game - 17
Rebounds Per Game - 10
Blocks Per Game - 2.5
Fouls Per Game - 4
PER - 22.0

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Anyone care to give me a prediction on what you think his stats are going to be?

Sure, I will: 25 PER

 

[B-Roy]

Fuck, why not?

Games Played - 72
Minutes Per Game - 28
Points Per Game - 17
Rebounds Per Game - 10
Blocks Per Game - 2.5
Fouls Per Game - 4
PER - 22.0

17/10 in 28 minutes is not a 22 PER unless he has a shitload of turnovers or shoots as bad as a giant Sergio.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

17/10 in 28 minutes is not a 22 PER unless he has a shitload of turnovers or shoots as bad as a giant Sergio.

Good point; I didn't do the math. What would it be?

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

None of them are nearly as funny as Princess Bride, though... so obviously they are inferior movies.

oh come on, Shawshank is a riot.

 

[Master Shake]

You didn't do math and you over estimated the shit outta him...2.5 blocks?....we'll see about that

 

[Master Shake]

I'll be surprised if he plays over 65 games.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You didn't do math and you over estimated the shit outta him...2.5 blocks?....we'll see about that

Actually, I only underestimated his minutes. Per36, he was getting 17/13/3.5 last year.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'll be surprised if he plays over 65 games.

So will I.

Hey, congrats on getting rid of Hedo!

 

[andalusian]

You didn't do math and you over estimated the shit outta him...2.5 blocks?....we'll see about that

He averaged 2.3 blocks per game last year in 24 MPG.

 

[BrianFromWA]

16/13/3. Book it. And that 16 is with him looking like Bambi on Ice on the offensive end, so if he develops any of the following--drop step, 12-foot jumper, a guard that can hit him on the roll-- that 16 will be close to 20.

 

[Minstrel]

17 PPG/11 RPG/3 BPG, a .620 TS% and a 24 PER in 32 MPG.

 

[andalusian]

He will be fine offensively. What I really want to see, and think we will with the addition of Batum, Wesley and Camby next to him - is a sub-100 DRTG.

I think he can do it.

 

[Idog1976]

I don't think Braveheart should be in the same conversation as Princess Bride, personally.

I was thinking the same thing only about gladiator. Awful film horribly stealing best picture from Crouching Tiger. Boooo.

 

[Biggie]

This is good news. Oden is so good when healthy.

 

[Minstrel]

He will be fine offensively. What I really want to see, and think we will with the addition of Batum, Wesley and Camby next to him - is a sub-100 DRTG.

Most of the time, though, it'll be Roy and Aldridge next to Oden (unless you want to try a Roy/Matthews/Batum perimeter). I actually think Aldridge is a pretty solid defensive player and a Batum/Aldridge/Oden front line will be tremendous defensively. It is nice to have Camby and Matthews as solid/excellent defenders to bring off the bench as necessary.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

17 PPG/11 RPG/3 BPG, a .620 TS% and a 24 PER in 32 MPG.

For reference, last year Greg averaged
11.1 PPG/8.5 RPG/2.3 BPG in 21 MPG (according to http://www.nba.com/playerfile/greg_oden/index.html?nav=page )

For 32 MPG, these become
16.9 PPG/13.0 RPG/3.5 BPG in 32 MPG

so I'm going to go with 17/13/3 in 32 MPG

The blocks won't exactly scale up as fewer will head toward the basket.

(edit: which, interestingly, is basically what BrianFromWa said.)

btw, I think that if he is able to play 32 MPG for 70+ games, we are definite title contenders.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Working under the assumption that nobody is stupid enough to take the #1 overall pick and the #3 center in the league in PER and #8 overall in the NBA in PER last year will getting better every game and have him come off the bench, then here are some of the numbers for Oden:

I think he'll be a little less physical with the fear of the injury and the fears of the fouls, along with extra minutes to dilute the numbers and he'll likely get slightly lower Blocks Per36. I do think he was just beginning to find his offense and realizing how much of a mismatch he was against most of the league in the paint and will actually go up in Pts Per36 and become more of our 2nd scoring option than before. I think his minutes will go up with a completely changed line-up. This is primarily due to the fact that his fouls were 50% a product of poor defense by the backcourt players, and since he didn't have Batum while he was playing last year, he'll add Batum and Matthew's defense over guys like Rudy playing out of position. That will be huge and I'm projecting around 28-30 mpg next season.

Given that, the simple math is: 15 pts / 11 reb / 2.5 blks. Bookmark it.

 

[Minstrel]

I'll be surprised if he plays over 65 games.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did...but on the other hand, I also wouldn't be surprised if he had another significant injury. Neither eventually would be unexpected to me. I think he has a solid chance to do either (unfortunately, in the second case).

 

[Idog1976]

18.5ppg 13.5rbs 3.25blks drtg99 TS% .610 PER mid 20's

 

[Minstrel]

18.5ppg 13.5rbs 3.25blks drtg99 TS% .610 PER mid 20's

Holy crap. And I thought I was optimistic about him.

 

[maxiep]

My favorite quote by far is actually related to a horrible mistake the US itself made not to long ago and continues to make:

"You just fell victim to one of the two classic blunders! The first of which is NEVER GET INVOLVED IN A LAND WAR IN ASIA!!!"...

I won't complete it because, damn why didn't our foreign policy decisions get vetted by Vincini?

I can't see Wallace Shawn without recalling "My Dinner With Andre".

 

[oldmangrouch]

17 PPG/11 RPG/3 BPG, a .620 TS% and a 24 PER in 32 MPG.

And a partridge in a pear tree.

 

[Master Shake]

Interesting. High hopes, I can't blame you. Upside would be nice to Oden. I just don't think after what's happened to his knee, that he is 100% healthy ever. It's hard for a player like that to come back and stay strong 8-10 years in the league after what's he's gone through, IMO.

 

[Idog1976]

Holy crap. And I thought I was optimistic about him.

Health, minutes, touches. That's all he needs. This year he has perimeter defense to keep him on the floor.

 

[andalusian]

Most of the time, though, it'll be Roy and Aldridge next to Oden (unless you want to try a Roy/Matthews/Batum perimeter). I actually think Aldridge is a pretty solid defensive player and a Batum/Aldridge/Oden front line will be tremendous defensively. It is nice to have Camby and Matthews as solid/excellent defenders to bring off the bench as necessary.

Of course, but Oden last year did play some time next to Outlaw, Howard and even Dante next to him, so having Camby replace these guys next to him is going to be a big upgrade, and again, he played next to Rudy in some lines, and having Rudy's questionable defense replaced by someone like Mattews - would be an upgrade.

Of course, Batum over Webster/Blake in the first unit will be a bigger upgrade.