Oden and Batum for Kyrie Irving? would you do it?

[Blazinaway]

what you think of Oden likely determines whether or not you might do this, From all accouts Irving is a great PG prospect. I asked the question because I vacillate on my own feelings on this - let me hear what you think.

Of course there is the big question of what the team that could or will draft him would do?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i would hate to lose oden for nothing

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

No. I'm not convinced Irving will be a franchise PG.

 

[illmatic99]

I could be convinced into doing that. But I'd hate myself for doing it.

I think Irving is the next CP.

Edit: Actually, more of a combo of Roy and CP.

Check out his profile on Draftexpress:

Not as blazingly fast with his first step as Derrick Rose, John Wall, or even Kemba Walker, Irving plays at a very unique pace that keeps defenses consistently off-balance and allows him to get to the basket seemingly whenever he needs to. Able to drive left or right almost equally well, he has excellent timing on his drives, very good body control, and the ability to operate at different speeds. Rather than just attempting to blow by opponents using his pure first step, Irving instead likes to toy with his defender, using tricky stutter-steps, strong body fakes, and perfectly timed hesitation moves to beat opponents smoothly and slitherly.

In the open floor, he uses long strides, fancy footwork and a surprisingly powerful extra gear that he keeps tucked under his belt for moments that he most needs it. His above average size and strength, coupled with his under control demeanor and ability to use both hands equally well around the basket makes him a phenomenal finisher once at the rim. He is crafty and elegant with his layups, but is also not afraid to sacrifice his body and just barrel into a defender in order to draw a foul, which helps him make up for the degree of explosiveness that he seemingly lacks rising up above the rim in traffic.

Because of the nature of his drives—heady, rarely out of control—Irving has a big advantage when it comes to making plays off the dribble. He has an excellent sense of where his teammates are at all times, and is confident and creative enough to know how to get them the ball in drive and dish situations, often in spectacular fashion. His chemistry with the ultra-explosive Mason Plumlee for example has been outstanding thus far—Irving loves drawing the defense and then finding Plumlee at the rim with a perfectly timed bullet pass or lob. With his terrific timing, ball-handling skills and court vision, Irving is going to be a handful on the pick and roll at the NBA level, and sure-handed big men and deadly spot-up shooters alike will love playing with him.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyrie-Irving-5735/#ixzz1LaQrkV8b
http://www.draftexpress.com

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If you'd asked that last year about Derrick Rose,YES! Irving I don't know.....

 

[illmatic99]

Rose is pure athleticism, and is quick. His development this year has been remarkable.

But Irving has more skill at this stage of his game than Rose did @ Memphis. And although we only got to watch like 8 of his games in College, I think his skillset can transfer seamlessly in to the NBA.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

No. Oden will not be injured forever. When he is on the court - he is more valuable than almost any PG.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No way

 

[Draco]

Yes I would do it.

 

[maxiep]

No.

 

[Wheels]

I cant do both of them for him. I realize that Batum alone wouldnt be enough for them, and Oden alone would be too much of a risk for the other team... but both would be too much of a risk for me.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I can't say I love it.

 

[e_blazer]

Absolutely not.

 

[magnifier661]

No, I really hope we just sign Oden for 4 years. I think in 2 years, he will be more valuable than Aldridge. I truly believe that too.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm with Mags on this one.

 

[maxiep]

No, I really hope we just sign Oden for 4 years. I think in 2 years, he will be more valuable than Aldridge. I truly believe that too.

I hope so, too. However, I think that Oden wants out of Dodge; I think he takes the QO and bolts. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[magnifier661]

I hope so, too. However, I think that Oden wants out of Dodge; I think he takes the QO and bolts. I hope I'm wrong.

I know you're wrong, so never fear buddy!

 

[STOMP]

I know you're wrong, so never fear buddy!

exactly how do you know this?

btw, I'd compare Kyrie to Curry with his PG demeanor and size. He's a more athletic then Stephon but doesn't have the killer outside shot. He should be very good in the league but I'm with the masses in preferring the greener grass on our side of the fence

STOMP

 

[Blazinaway]

I hope so, too. However, I think that Oden wants out of Dodge; I think he takes the QO and bolts. I hope I'm wrong.

I agree with you Maxie which is why I would probably pull the trigger on this deal if we could do it.

 

[Blazinaway]

I agree with you Maxie which is why I would probably pull the trigger on this deal if we could do it.

from what I've read i though he had a very good outside game , especially for a guy as young as he is

here's his shooting summary from nbadraft site

"Excellent shooter with the ability to get shots within the flow of the offense … Jumpshot has great form … Has range out to NBA three and just needs time to gain consistency on it … Good one on one skills … Can pull up off the dribble … A strong finisher exhibiting good body control … Ambidextrous with the dribble, showing impressive ability to go to the left and finish with his off hand … Has excellent ball handling ability with a nasty crossover … High motor kid who gets strong reviews for his character and work ethic … Has a good wingspan and big hands which are obviously positive attributes … Very efficient shooter : 53% fg, 90% ft, 45% 3p … Solid defender with adequate size. Gets low, fundamental, doesn’t gamble too often. Plays the passing lanes well (1.5 spg) …"

 

[Further]

Yes, and without much thought. I love Oden and hope he returns healthy, but with 842 surgeries on his knees, I don't trust that he will ever be the prospect that he was once projected. Losing Batum would also suck, but you have to give up something to get a #1 and considering that we now have GW I think that Batum is expendable.

It's a risk to go with Oden and it's a risk to go with Irving ,but at least with Irving we have new obstacles and a clean slate.

 

[Draco]

I hope so, too. However, I think that Oden wants out of Dodge; I think he takes the QO and bolts. I hope I'm wrong.

Free agents coming off rookie deals first and foremost always look for a long big contract. Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Carmello/Deron/Dwight/CP3 etc all of those guys signed a big deal as soon as they could so they didn't risk losing millions. Once they have earned that large contract and established themselves permanetly they look to move to a more ideal situation. Even second tier guys like Ben Gordon tried to sign a long extension and then UFA contract with the Bulls, the Bulls weren't interested.

Oden's primarliy focus will be guaranteeing as much money as he can from whoever gives it to him. If he has an offer on the table in the $10mil+ per season range like the Canzano report we will keep him for many years. These injuries have worn on him too, he knows its possible he could get injured again and he isn't going to turn down his first huge contract just because of slightly better weather in other cities, being closer to home somewhere else, or a few critics amongst fans and media.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yes.

I like Batum and he is a useful supporting player, but let's not get carried away.

As for ****, he will never play another game in a Blazer uniform. Even if he tries to play for another team, all the injuries/surgeries/inactivity will have left him a shell of his former self.

 

[Minstrel]

I wouldn't do the deal. The risk involved in each player is too high. The decider, for me, is that I know Oden is an elite talent. I don't know that about Irving (or Batum, for that matter). I'll generally take the risk on a known-elite talent with health issues over the risk of a player who's ability is in question.

 

[magnifier661]

I wouldn't do the deal. The risk involved in each player is too high. The decider, for me, is that I know Oden is an elite talent. I don't know that about Irving (or Batum, for that matter). I'll generally take the risk on a known-elite talent with health issues over the risk of a player who's ability is in question.

God this reminds me so much of Qyntel Woods or Martell Webster. Players that on paper should be the next Carter or T-mac; but once in the NBA, became jokes. The Jury is still out for Oden because of his injuries. But if that kid can just stay healthy, there is no doubt he will be a force. Just the little amount of time he played, showed promise. Something that should be a good sign for Blazer fans if he stays.

Batum is a proven talent. He has progressed every year and that says a lot. He's no Outlaw, that needed 5 years just to be a role player. There could be arguments that he is starter ready right now. I would hate to gamble on a rookie draft prospect.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh and to top it off, this kid is from Duke! YUCK!!!!!!

[video]http://www.collegehumor.com/video/766547/why-duke-sucks[/video]

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[MAS RipCity]

I've heard Kyrie may have to play with a special insert on his toe for the rest of his career? Anyone else confirm this? If true, stay away, stay far away. If he doesn't have to wear anything on his foot, I'd think long and hard (that's what she said!) about that deal. I did think CP3 was his best case scenario but I'm shy about dealing for possible injury prone players.

 

[ironcrotch]

I wonder how many lottery PG's we drool over with ppl professing they would trade Oden for that end up being mediocre/average.

 

[LittleAlex]

No thanks.

I would have made that kind of deal of John Wall though.

 

[B-Roy]

I would do it...Batum and Oden are up for extensions really soon and I'm not entirely convinced we're going to go anywhere with a lot of money locked into them. I'm not too convinced on Irving either but he's relatively cheaper than Batum+Oden and I think the game nowadays favors quick point guards with his skill set.