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Was it Avery's line? "Oden's night was a success because he played 16 mins without an injury."

Blazers won on the road, Oden got some run, NBA fans were introduced to Rudy via ESPN and many western conference teams went down . . . great night in the NBA.

I still don't see all the excitement over Oden. I thought the consensus was to drop expectations and see what happens . . . after one medicore at best performance we are back up to huge expectations for the kid once he gets in shape.

I'm not as quick to jump this time. Beyond the being out of shape, I didn't see the quick short agile bursts ofathleticism from a 7 footer that made him the #1 draft. Yes he has a long way to go to learn psot moves, get into shape, learn the defense ect . . . but he is quick enough for the NBA game to be a Dwight Howard or Amare or will he amount to being a better than average banger (which the Blazers could use) . . . . again little expectations from me, I'll just wait and see.
 
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it's_GO_time said:
Was it Avery's line? "Oden's night was a success because he played 16 mins without an injury."

Blazers won on the road, Oden got some run, NBA fans were introduced to Rudy via ESPN and many western conference teams went down . . . great night in the NBA.

I still don't see all the excitement over Oden. I thought the consensus was to drop expectations and see what happens . . . after one medicore at best performance we are back up to huge expectations for the kid once he gets in shape.

I'm not as quick to jump this time. Beyond the being out of shape, I didn't see the quick short agile bursts ofathleticism from a 7 footer that made him the #1 draft. Yes he has a long way to go to learn psot moves, get into shape, learn the defense ect . . . but he is quick enough for the NBA game to be a Dwight Howard or Amare or will he amount to being a better than average banger (which the Blazers could use) . . . . again little expectations from me, I'll just wait and see.
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Then you weren't watching the minutes he played before he got tired, and two blocks in 16 minutes is nothing to sneeze at, especially considering it could have been 3 blocks had Rudy not drawn that charge under the hoop.
 
Oden looks sluggish, gassed and terrible on offense. He just needs to play though. Dude hasn't played in like 14 months lol

Think about if you stopped playing hoop for that long. It would take a while to get it back.
Next year Oden will be a beast. This year is all learning while we watch El Matador murder folks
 
Nikolokolus said:
Then you weren't watching the minutes he played before he got tired, and two blocks in 16 minutes is nothing to sneeze at, especially considering it could have been 3 blocks had Rudy not drawn that charge under the hoop.
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Thanks for letting me know which part of the game I was watching . . . I'll check with you before I post another opinion to make sure I caught all of the game.
 
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it's_GO_time said:
I still don't see all the excitement over Oden. I thought the consensus was to drop expectations and see what happens . . . after one medicore at best performance we are back up to huge expectations for the kid once he gets in shape.

I'm not as quick to jump this time. Beyond the being out of shape, I didn't see the quick short agile bursts ofathleticism from a 7 footer that made him the #1 draft. Yes he has a long way to go to learn psot moves, get into shape, learn the defense ect . . . but he is quick enough for the NBA game to be a Dwight Howard or Amare or will he amount to being a better than average banger (which the Blazers could use) . . . . again little expectations from me, I'll just wait and see.
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I don't know how you missed his athleticism, especially the first couple of minutes before he got tired.

As far as lowering expectations: no way. He's the best center prospect since Shaq, the best high school center prospect since Alcindor. I'm not lowering my expectations one iota just because he missed six games with a sprained foot.

Ed O.
 
^^^ Am I the only one that thinks Ed O's new avatar/pic is eerily disturbing? Or is it just me? ;)
 
yenniedn said:
^^^ Am I the only one that thinks Ed O's new avatar/pic is eerily disturbing? Or is it just me? ;)
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It's not just you.

It was every single girl that I talked to on Halloween, also. All of the guys were like, "Dude! Awesome!" and all of the girls were like, "..." and fled.

Not ideal for a single guy out on the town (me). Oh, well.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
It's not just you.

It was every single girl that I talked to on Halloween, also. All of the guys were like, "Dude! Awesome!" and all of the girls were like, "..." and fled.

Not ideal for a single guy out on the town (me). Oh, well.

Ed O.
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That's you? Makeup becomes you. I thought it was one of your lady friends.

I think it's great. And I would even if I were female.
 
Ed O said:
I don't know how you missed his athleticism, especially the first couple of minutes before he got tired.

As far as lowering expectations: no way. He's the best center prospect since Shaq, the best high school center prospect since Alcindor. I'm not lowering my expectations one iota just because he missed six games with a sprained foot.

Ed O.
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I saw the slam, I saw the positioning for the rebounds, I saw the 2 blocks.

What concerns me is that he was slow, IMO. And not just the out of shape slow . . . we have all been there. But the short busrts of energy in between being out of shape. Whistle blow, there is a break in action, Oden puffing hard but catches his breath, but then runs the court slow. I thought Oden was going to beat other centers down the court? I get him not doing it all the time because he is out of shape, but I didn't see any bursts of speed . . . well there was that one dunk they showed 20 times and that was a quick move. But personally, I don't conclude from that move or the fist 2 mins what others have concluded. And what about the first couple mins in the 2nd half, can that be written off to being out of shape?

I'm going to wait to see how he develops (do I have a choice), but for now I'm not as pumped as others about those first couple of minutes and disagree about the explosiveness and athleticism. Maybe it's the fact he is 270 lbs and I don't have an appreciation for being that size, but I seen other NBA players out of shape showing more bursts of energy that Oden.

Or maybe I'm just so clueless I missed what everyone else is seeeing . . . I don't discount as a possiblity. Or maybe as nik suggested I don't watch games but pretend I do when I post . . . but that I do discount as a possiblity.
 
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it's_GO_time said:
but then runs the court slow. I thought Oden was going to beat other centers down the court? I get him not doing it all the time because he is out of shape, but I didn't see any bursts of speed
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Hmm. Running up and down the court seems like the classic thing that would suffer if you were out of shape. When I've played competitive basketball, if I'm tired, I can't turn on bursts of speed in going up the court. Not that I am indicative of an elite athlete, but it seems like that's a place where you'd see the effects of not being in game shape.

The elevation for the rebound, pivot and slam all struck me as very athletic. His first five minutes, he seemed like a 25 year old playing with 16 year olds...the Heat were putting several bodies on him to keep him away from the rim, and on defense, anyone going into the paint threw up awkward-looking shots. During that time, he seemed agile and powerful. Then, his performance began to degrade.

I was very encouraged, because his being a star seems to boil down to three things to me:

1. Stay healthy
2. Get into premium shape
3. Develop a polished game in the post

The first two seem eminently do-able to me. The third is a development, so not necessarily guaranteed. But his performance last night seemed poised and possessed of the right tools...he just seemed to be too over-eager and not very polished, so he made mistakes. I think developing his post game, considering his reported work ethic and intelligence, and his evident physical abilities, will not be a real problem. I don't think he'll be a prime Shaquille O'Neal on offense, but I think he can be a 25 PPG scorer in his prime and a perennial defensive player of the year candidate.
 
Minstrel said:
That's you? Makeup becomes you. I thought it was one of your lady friends.

I think it's great. And I would even if I were female.
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Thank you. I think. Heh. No... thank you.

Last year I was a musketeer and I was a BIT more popular. Oh, well. There's always next year.

Ed O.
 

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it's_GO_time said:
Wow, this whole time I thought you were a female poster . . . learn something new everyday.
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Now that's just low . . . his log-on is ED O for goodness sake . . . as in EDDIE, EDWARD, etc.

In any event, it's good to see someone that still goes all out on their Halloween customs! Nice work - regardless of the reaction of the womenfolk. You win some, you lose some.
 
yenniedn said:
Now that's just low . . . his log-on is ED O for goodness sake . . . as in EDDIE, EDWARD, etc.

In any event, it's good to see someone that still goes all out on their Halloween customs! Nice work - regardless of the reaction of the womenfolk. You win some, you lose some.
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I was talking about minstrel

And I didn't mean being a female was a bad thing . . .
 
it's_GO_time said:
I was talking about minstrel

And I didn't mean being a female was a bad thing . . .
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I didn't take it as a negative. I don't think I really project either male or female, with my personality. So, it's probably easy to take me for either.
 
Well my personality projects 100% pimp ass motherfucker!!!!!
 
A point about being out of shape.

I used to run X-Country in HS. Junior year I won about 90% of my meets. If I did not train all summer, I could still beat the personal best times of everyone on the team except one guy.

Ok so, in preseason of my senior year I broke my collar bone playing soccer in the rain (dumb). I was down for about 4 weeks. I think to my self, no problem, a few weeks of training and I'll be at 95%. By the state meet at season end I'll be 100%. Imagine my surprise when the first race back I come in like 35th place or something. Even by the state meet (after many races) I could still manage no better than 5th on my team.

Point is, there is out of shape (summer off) and then there is OUT OF SHAPE (injury). There is no comparison. My out of shape was cardiovascualar, wind, and muscle-weakening. I doubt I put on more than a pound of weight.

Oden's is that kind of OUT OF SHAPE plus added pounds, physical injury, and loss of basketball timing & coordination. Going down with injury is so much worse than just an equal time of not playing.

So we can not form an accurate assesment of Oden based on how he's playing right now. It will take a good deal of time.
 
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Ed O said:
Minstrel said:
That's you? Makeup becomes you. I thought it was one of your lady friends.

I think it's great. And I would even if I were female.
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Thank you. I think. Heh. No... thank you.

Last year I was a musketeer and I was a BIT more popular. Oh, well. There's always next year.

Ed O.
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This whole exchange reminds me of something...

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I've never seen the show, but I love the songs from their live performance, which I've watched on YouTube.
 
Ed O said:
I don't know how you missed his athleticism, especially the first couple of minutes before he got tired.

As far as lowering expectations: no way. He's the best center prospect since Shaq, the best high school center prospect since Alcindor. I'm not lowering my expectations one iota just because he missed six games with a sprained foot.

Ed O.
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Ed, get outta my head!
 
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