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BlazerWookee said:
You know they tried, right? And you know that the CBA prohibits forcing him to do what they suggested, right?

Yes, they deserve a good bit of blame for what happened. But don't pretend they didn't want to do more but couldn't...
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Tried what? Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach the one who had him lifting weights during his first rehab?

Did they hire him a nutritionist and offer to hire him a full time chef? Not saying it didn't happen, just don't remember reading anything about it at the time.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I know a lot of posters here like to give Oden shit about his rehab efforts, but I think the team is every bit as responsible. In other words, plenty of blame to go around. He had his first microfracture surgery at 19 years of age. During his first rehab Oden gained a LOT of weight, mostly upper body from lifting. That as just plain stupid and should have gotten our strength and conditioning coach fired immediately. He didn't need to get stronger and the last thing Oden's knees needed was an extra 45 pounds of weight to support. He was 19 and living alone in a new city. The team should have hired a nutritionist and a full time chef to make sure he was eating right. Yeah, ultimately it was Oden that put on the weight and started drinking, but the staff should have done a MUCH better job supervising his rehab.

BNM
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His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.

What surprises me is how even after Oden has said he basically quit caring in Portland, became a boozehound, how people will continue to make up excuses for him.
 
To me it seemed like Oden got special treatment from day one. Wasn't he at one point sleeping on Allen's bed in the plane? I don't know what specifically they were doing with Oden, but seems like Blazers bent over backwards trying to keep him happy and allowed him ample time to recover from his injuries.
 
PapaG said:
His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.

What surprises me is how even after Oden has said he basically quit caring in Portland, became a boozehound, how people will continue to make up excuses for him.
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This.
 
PapaG said:
His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.

What surprises me is how even after Oden has said he basically quit caring in Portland, became a boozehound, how people will continue to make up excuses for him.
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Yeah, from what I gather, Oden's obese uncle was not looking out for his best interests. In fact, might have been a horrible influence for a naive kid that was anointed a star before he ever proved himself.
 
i just want to know how he put on 45 pounds of muscle(well not all was muscle) in one rehab. I can't even add 10 pounds of muscle after months and months of working out regularly
 
MickZagger said:
Yeah, from what I gather, Oden's obese uncle was not looking out for his best interests. In fact, might have been a horrible influence for a naive kid that was anointed a star before he ever proved himself.
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Looking back, this must be so embarrassing for GO.

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ehizzy3 said:
i just want to know how he put on 45 pounds of muscle(well not all was muscle) in one rehab. I can't even add 10 pounds of muscle after months and months of working out regularly
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Lay on the couch, lift upper body, and drink a ton of beer without exercising. Oden went from being always active to mostly sedentary, ate horribly, drank a lot, and apparently did the bare minimum for rehab.
 
PapaG said:
His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.

What surprises me is how even after Oden has said he basically quit caring in Portland, became a boozehound, how people will continue to make up excuses for him.
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Agreed. Repped.

Fuck Greg oden. Fuck him with his own ginormous schlong
 
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PapaG said:
His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.

What surprises me is how even after Oden has said he basically quit caring in Portland, became a boozehound, how people will continue to make up excuses for him.
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I don't have any hatred towards Oden, want anything bad to happen to him, or feel that he owes us something.

But... I do believe that a lot of his problems were his own fault and bad decisions. I don't think he ever had a love for the game or a huge desire or drive to get back to the game. I don't get why people want to make excuses for him, using the whole "he was a 20-year-old with a lot of money" line.

I think it's unfortunate that all that talent and those physical gifts didn't get paired with a strong mental approach, but I don't hate the guy.
 
Yep, i don't know why people still feel the need to defend him. Not saying you have to hate the guy, but it's just weird.
 
santeesioux said:
Yep, i don't know why people still feel the need to defend him. Not saying you have to hate the guy, but it's just weird.
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I don't know why people still feel the need to hate him. Not saying you have to defend the guy, but it's just weird.

Neener.
 
santeesioux said:
Yep, i don't know why people still feel the need to defend him. Not saying you have to hate the guy, but it's just weird.
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It's because fans were so invested in oden.

It's like when you break up with your gf and miss her down the road.

Some guys just aren't good at ripping the bandaid off, even if your ex talks mad Shit about you.

It's pathetic
 
What I find pathetic is people that are ignorant to the facts, yet feel justified to be a$$holes.

Unless you've walked a mile in somebody's shoes you have no right to point the speck out in their eye.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I know a lot of posters here like to give Oden shit about his rehab efforts, but I think the team is every bit as responsible. In other words, plenty of blame to go around. He had his first microfracture surgery at 19 years of age. During his first rehab Oden gained a LOT of weight, mostly upper body from lifting. That as just plain stupid and should have gotten our strength and conditioning coach fired immediately. He didn't need to get stronger and the last thing Oden's knees needed was an extra 45 pounds of weight to support. He was 19 and living alone in a new city. The team should have hired a nutritionist and a full time chef to make sure he was eating right. Yeah, ultimately it was Oden that put on the weight and started drinking, but the staff should have done a MUCH better job supervising his rehab.

BNM
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PapaG said:
His underage drinking with his uncle had nothing do to with that weight gain, I suppose.
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Correct, the weight gain during his first rehab had NOTHING to do with underage drinking with his "uncle".

First, it wasn't his uncle, it was an older cousin.

Second, his cousin didn't move to Portland and in with Greg until his second season in Portland (the first season, he played). That's when the partying and heavy drinking started.

Here's the relevant quotes:

Even while adjusting to the change in culture, Greg successfully rehabbed his knee and played in 61 games the following season, averaging nine points and seven rebounds in 21.5 minutes. He wasn't dominating like he had in high school and college, but he provided enough highlights to make Blazers fans feel optimistic about the team's future. It seemed to me while watching Greg on TV that he would be able to recover from his surgery and in a few years' time could be one of the premier big men in the NBA. But after longing for a veteran role model the previous season, Greg got exactly what he wanted in his second year, only the results were disastrous. That's because it wasn't an NBA veteran who took Greg under his wing in his second season—it was his veteran cousin from the Air Force who moved into Greg's house in Portland.

"If you know anything about guys in the Air Force," Greg explained, "it's that they drink a ton. My cousin got wrapped up in the NBA lifestyle and threw parties at my house all the time. So I got wrapped up in it too. When I played well, I'd drink to celebrate. And when I played poorly, I'd drink to forget. That second year in Portland I pretty much became an alcoholic."

The alcohol likely contributed to later problems, but that 45 pound weight gain during his first rehab was due to mismanagement of the strength and conditioning staff - not heavy drinking with his "uncle".

BNM
 
:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

I mean, must we?

Can't we just happy with the team we have?
 
I put half the blame on nobody, its just fluke injuries to have 3 microfractures on ones knees. Theres plenty of people around that age binge drinking excessively that can stay healthy and active. Hey I and my friends were often partaking in more drinking then was good for us us in those years. Nobodies knees imploded because of it.

I put 40% of the blame on Oden, yes he could've done more to stay in shape and to take rehab more seriously. He was weak mentally. Were there factors in a new city, being away from home, being away from family that contributed to his poor decisions? Yes! But people who are not mentally weak can overcome those struggles. I can't imagine Kobe, Jordan, Bird, David Robinson in a situation like that having such a pathetic mental makeup.

I put 10% of the blame on the Blazers. The training staff was a joke, it should've been overhauled a decade earlier. It would've been a great training program for everyday people off the street or some college athletes. But when you have only a dozen multi-million dollar athletes as part of a billion dollar pro sports team they need the benefit of all the state of the art training and medical care. The Blazers failed Oden in this regard.
 
In Roy's case I put much more of the blame on the Blazers. Letting him play 7 days after meniscus surgery? Ignoring minutes restrictions?

The Heat arn't doing that with Dwayne Wade, they pro-actively rest him and he's had many years of high level play after meniscus removal.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Correct, the weight gain during his first rehab had NOTHING to do with underage drinking with his "uncle".

First, it wasn't his uncle, it was an older cousin.

Second, his cousin didn't move to Portland and in with Greg until his second season in Portland (the first season, he played). That's when the partying and heavy drinking started.

Here's the relevant quotes:

Even while adjusting to the change in culture, Greg successfully rehabbed his knee and played in 61 games the following season, averaging nine points and seven rebounds in 21.5 minutes. He wasn't dominating like he had in high school and college, but he provided enough highlights to make Blazers fans feel optimistic about the team's future. It seemed to me while watching Greg on TV that he would be able to recover from his surgery and in a few years' time could be one of the premier big men in the NBA. But after longing for a veteran role model the previous season, Greg got exactly what he wanted in his second year, only the results were disastrous. That's because it wasn't an NBA veteran who took Greg under his wing in his second season—it was his veteran cousin from the Air Force who moved into Greg's house in Portland.

"If you know anything about guys in the Air Force," Greg explained, "it's that they drink a ton. My cousin got wrapped up in the NBA lifestyle and threw parties at my house all the time. So I got wrapped up in it too. When I played well, I'd drink to celebrate. And when I played poorly, I'd drink to forget. That second year in Portland I pretty much became an alcoholic."

The alcohol likely contributed to later problems, but that 45 pound weight gain during his first rehab was due to mismanagement of the strength and conditioning staff - not heavy drinking with his "uncle".

BNM
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I lived literally 4 blocks away from Oden when he lived in Victoria Woods. It was well-known that he was partying, even some neighborhood teenagers used to go party at his house. You can spin all the excuses you want, but to think he wasn't partying his first year here is a falsehood. NOBODY puts on 45 lbs of pure muscle in one year. It's impossible, and the spin at the time was in part to deflect from Greg boozing it up.
 
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What also amazes me is how Greg was able to put on 5 lbs in his chin by lifting weights to the point he put on 45 lbs in a matter of months.
 
So will he play tonight and is this the official thread to discuss it if he does?


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