Oden v. Bynum: are we going to be surprised?

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lol...whatever king L*ker hater...So is that why Kwame was so great with the Lakers because he was getting the minutes?...oh wait
 
DaRizzle said:
Maxiep an Minstrel...this was the first time Bynum was given a real chance...He played none or sporadic minutes until this year...I think you both know that and are just trying to put a negative spin since its a Lakers player :)
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It doesn't take any spin to place Bynum behind Oden as a prospect (which Bynum still is since he hasn't approached his prime, presumably). Most objective analysts would place Bynum behind Oden.

I actually like Bynum a lot. I think he has a solid chance of being an All-Star center. However, I think "taking the league by storm" is way over the top for such a short time. Most players can have a strong run of games. Bynum showed off fine potential, but he hasn't dominated yet and I think almost every non-Laker fan would agree he's not as talented as Oden.
 
^Find me these fans

(gonna start a thread about it in the general forum)

edit...nevermind, similar thread already there and it seems only Lakers fans and POR fans give a shit! :)
 
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DaRizzle said:
^Find me these fans
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Uh, talk to all the people who have been calling Oden one of the best prospects ever for the last four years.

Bynum wasn't even on anyone's radar until just before his draft.

You're being a total homer if you can't even admit that Oden has long been regarded as the significantly better prospect by scouts.
 
Better prospect when coming out? Absolutely....good thing that doesnt mean shit, Im talking about right now
 
DaRizzle said:
Better prospect when coming out? Absolutely....good thing that doesnt mean shit, Im talking about right now
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Right now, they are still prospects. Bynum has done nothing to suggest he'll be a better player in their primes.

Oden is considered a once-in-a-generation talent, Bynum isn't.
 
Minstrel said:
Oden is considered a once-in-a-generation talent, Bynum isn't.
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I think the correct statement would be "Bynum wasn't." Bynum did seem to have something click toward the end of the season. I think he averaged 19 pts, 13 reb, and more than 2 blocks for a month. Those are pretty solid numbers for someone his age.

It is too early to say which will be better in their prime, but before last season, Bynum shouldn't have even been mentioned. Now, I think you have to take him seriously. My guess is that in another two or three years, they will be considered the two best centers in the game. Which one is on top remains to be seen.
 
Minstrel said:
Right now, they are still prospects. Bynum has done nothing to suggest he'll be a better player in their primes.

Oden is considered a once-in-a-generation talent, Bynum isn't.
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Blah blah blah, once in a generation, blah blah blah...we shall see my friend. Bynum has actually played and produced at a high level in the NBA...The only taste we have of Oden is 10 fouls in one game:ghoti:
 
DaRizzle said:
Bynum has actually played and produced at a high level in the NBA...
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If that's Bynum's idea of "high level," maybe I jumped the gun saying he could be an All-Star. ;)

I hope, for your sake, that he actually has a high level in his future, rather than the efficient mediocrity of last year.
 
Reep said:
I think the correct statement would be "Bynum wasn't." Bynum did seem to have something click toward the end of the season. I think he averaged 19 pts, 13 reb, and more than 2 blocks for a month. Those are pretty solid numbers for someone his age.
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No, the correct statement is "Bynum isn't." Most people think Bynum is a very good prospect. He still isn't seen as once-a-generation.

Oden and Bynum is something like comparing LeBron James and Brandon Roy. One is considered once-a-generation, the other is considered an excellent young player. There's a big difference.
 
Minstrel said:
No, the correct statement is "Bynum isn't." Most people think Bynum is a very good prospect. He still isn't seen as once-a-generation.

Oden and Bynum is something like comparing LeBron James and Brandon Roy. One is considered once-a-generation, the other is considered an excellent young player. There's a big difference.
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This is really just symantics. Yes, Oden is considered a once-in-a-lifetime prospect. No, Bynum was/is not. However, that all is meaningless now. Now they are in the NBA. Now it is time to play the game. Bynum put together one good month. Not as good as Shaq or other lifetime centers, but showed he could be impressive. Oden hasn't done anything yet, but he likely will. Right now, both are considered potentially great centers, but now is their chance to put up.
 
Reep said:
This is really just symantics. Yes, Oden is considered a once-in-a-lifetime prospect. No, Bynum was/is not. However, that all is meaningless now. Now they are in the NBA. Now it is time to play the game. Bynum put together one good month. Not as good as Shaq or other lifetime centers, but showed he could be impressive. Oden hasn't done anything yet, but he likely will. Right now, both are considered potentially great centers, but now is their chance to put up.
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Reep has seen the light!!!! :cheers:
 
Reep said:
This is really just symantics. Yes, Oden is considered a once-in-a-lifetime prospect. No, Bynum was/is not. However, that all is meaningless now. Now they are in the NBA. Now it is time to play the game. Bynum put together one good month. Not as good as Shaq or other lifetime centers, but showed he could be impressive. Oden hasn't done anything yet, but he likely will. Right now, both are considered potentially great centers, but now is their chance to put up.
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No arguments there. My point was simply that DaRizzle's enthusiasm for the tiny size difference is a bit misplaced. ;) Talent will determine it and most believe Oden has more of it. Obviously, he has to prove it.
 
I didnt even realize Bynum was bigger than Oden until yesterday thank you very much
 
DaRizzle said:
Better prospect when coming out? Absolutely....good thing that doesnt mean shit, Im talking about right now
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Put down the Laker kool-aid. You ask any other GM in the league who they would rather have as a prospect and I bet 95% of them take Oden. Maybe even 100%.
 
zagsfan20 said:
Put down the Laker kool-aid. You ask any other GM in the league who they would rather have as a prospect and I bet 95% of them take Oden. Maybe even 100%.
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No 95%...... EVERY GM would take Greg! And what color is Laker kool-aid, Yellow or Purple?
 
More to the point, Dwight Howard is likely to outplay both of them in 08-09.

At this point, I don't see where either Bynum or Oden has earned any bragging rights.
 
strength and athleticsm only means so much...a lot of it is about footwork and greg has a clear advantage..thats one of his most touted skill sets
 
It seems to me we're looking at this matchup from the wrong perspective. I don't think it's the issue of how Oden is going to do when confronted by Bynum, but how Bynum will do when confronted by Oden. Check out this game log from last season: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2748

He had some tremendous games, no doubt. However, the only game I can see where he put up good numbers against a big-time defender in the pivot was against Tyson Chandler and NO, where he put up 17 and 9. He doesn't have much of a game outside of five feet. What happens if he can't move Oden off the block?
 
maxiep said:
It seems to me we're looking at this matchup from the wrong perspective. I don't think it's the issue of how Oden is going to do when confronted by Bynum, but how Bynum will do when confronted by Oden. Check out this game log from last season: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2748

He had some tremendous games, no doubt. However, the only game I can see where he put up good numbers against a big-time defender in the pivot was against Tyson Chandler and NO, where he put up 17 and 9. He doesn't have much of a game outside of five feet. What happens if he can't move Oden off the block?
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It is hard to tell from such a limited sample. He didn't do well against Houston or the Spurs. Hopefully Oden's footwork will let him go arounds Bynum, otherwise it may be a wash.
 
maxiep said:
It seems to me we're looking at this matchup from the wrong perspective. I don't think it's the issue of how Oden is going to do when confronted by Bynum, but how Bynum will do when confronted by Oden. Check out this game log from last season: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2748

He had some tremendous games, no doubt. However, the only game I can see where he put up good numbers against a big-time defender in the pivot was against Tyson Chandler and NO, where he put up 17 and 9. He doesn't have much of a game outside of five feet. What happens if he can't move Oden off the block?
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As I looked at the game logs I was coming to the same conclusion. Bynum didn't do didly in two games against the Spurs, one game against Houston and the one Orlando game.

There are VERY FEW legit 7 footers that play well on both sides of the floor in the NBA. In the very few shots that Bynum got against that very, very small number, he did not impress.

Maybe he will get better. Maybe not. What we do know for sure, is that so far in his career he has not shown the ability to dominate against the elite centers and elite defensive teams in the NBA.

Bynum racked up some very big numbers against power forwards playing center, very skinny centers that he could push around, and weak defensive centers. Against the best - not so good. That he went to town against favorable matchups for him is great. That is better than many players. That helps a team. That racks up wins.

In the NBA playoffs (something Bynum has no experience in yet) it is about matchups. Unless Bynum can dominate the other top centers in the NBA, he can't be anything more than a nice piece to his team, a contributor.

We will all know soon enough how the matchup between Oden and Bynum starts out. Can't wait.
 
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