Oden vs. Roy?

[magnifier661]

Seriously, if there is a possibility that Oden is or could be in a different "alliance" then Roy and Aldridge, who would you rather build around? Would you trade Oden for some key pieces for the "Roy's Team" or would you trade Roy and Aldridge for pieces to build around Oden?

Not saying this is true, but if it was, the fans would be just as divided. Obviously all the fans would rather watch the big three be the BIG THREE we dreamed of, but if this issue isn't resolved, I suspect a group may need to go.

My vote is to build around Oden, just because a player like him are very hard to come by. I would rather keep al three, get rid of the coach and tell Roy this is Portland's team.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If you had to choose you have to pick Oden and not think twice about it.

If he can stay healthy Greg is the type of Center that will help you win titles.

Chris Paul would be perfect for Oden. Brandon is a superstar but he obviously wants his touches like Kobe and Wade and is having a tough time adjusting to a low post player like Greg.

 

[Wheels]

fortunately I dont think we'll have to choose... but 2 guards are a lot easier to come by than Centers.

 

[magnifier661]

fortunately I dont think we'll have to choose... but 2 guards are a lot easier to come by than Centers.

Well think about this. If you had to trade away Roy and Aldridge, we still have Fernandez, which is a good 2 guard, that would be a perfect piece for a franchise center type. So Roy and Aldridge would give you a ton of options.

 

[magnifier661]

If you had to choose you have to pick Oden and not think twice about it.

If he can stay healthy Greg is the type of Center that will help you win titles.

Chris Paul would be perfect for Oden. Brandon is a superstar but he obviously wants his touches like Kobe and Wade and is having a tough time adjusting to a low post player like Greg.

I agree. You don't get chances like this and if there is any truth to this rumor, I wouldn't doubt that Oden will bolt the first chance he gets.

 

[Wheels]

Well think about this. If you had to trade away Roy and Aldridge, we still have Fernandez, which is a good 2 guard, that would be a perfect piece for a franchise center type. So Roy and Aldridge would give you a ton of options.

That as well yes... This lineup would be scary with CP3 running with Rudy, Martell/Batum/Outlaw, and LMA. Then getting Greg the ball.. that would be a lineup of scary running Gazelles

 

[magnifier661]

Also, I suspect that Aldridge would actually stay if he had to choose Roy or Oden. Everyone is smart enough to know that Franchise centers give you a much better opportunity to flourish in the NBA.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

KP has his hands full but I really have my doubts that he'll get anything done.

Like RLEC, he'll just ride out this storm regardless of the situation. You know, he's not a chemistry major.

 

[magnifier661]

KP has his hands full but I really have my doubts that he'll get anything done.

Like RLEC, he'll just ride out this storm regardless of the situation. You know, he's not a chemistry major.

What's kinda ironic is Whitless had the same praise for building a team filled with talent, then turmoil set in from the egos on the team. So your "pun" actually has a point. It's like Whitless all over again. Let's see how KP handles this. I sure hope he has more gonads to make sure he keeps the best player on his team.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The reality is that neither Roy or Aldridge has much trade value given their contracts. So if their is an issue of Roy v. Oden, at this point it would be trying to get Oden to enjoy it here and believe in the Blazer organization.

At the very least we can wrap up Oden for another three years and if he tries to get a huge contract as a restricted free agent, Allen will match.

 

[magnifier661]

The reality is that neither Roy or Aldridge has much trade value given their contracts. So if their is an issue of Roy v. Oden, at this point it would be trying to get Oden to enjoy it here and believe in the Blazer organization.

At the very least we can wrap up Oden for another three years and if he tries to get a huge contract as a restricted free agent, Allen will match.

Just remember Orlando. They cold match as well, but Shaq said "Lata I'm going to L.A. and you ain't getting nothing for me either" This happens in the NBA.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Roy/Bayless/Outlaw/2010 1st rounder/2012 1st rounder for Paul/Peja

 

[Wheels]

Roy/Bayless/Outlaw/2010 1st rounder/2012 1st rounder for Paul/Peja

sign me up... but I'm not saying this as a turn on Roy sorta thing.. We would just be amazing with that lineup. Although Bayless would be PERFECT coming off the bench for our team. But gotta give talent to get talent.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

PG: Paul
SG: Rudy
SF: Batum
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden

Would be scary.

 

[RR7]

Just remember Orlando. They cold match as well, but Shaq said "Lata I'm going to L.A. and you ain't getting nothing for me either" This happens in the NBA.

Different situation entirely, under I believe a different CBA as well. Only way Oden leaves is if he doesn't take an extension next season, doesn't get an offer as a restricted free agent, which seems unlikely, and chooses to play a season under his QO, refusing offers from us. That's not happening, and neither player is going anywhere.

 

[magnifier661]

Different situation entirely, under I believe a different CBA as well. Only way Oden leaves is if he doesn't take an extension next season, doesn't get an offer as a restricted free agent, which seems unlikely, and chooses to play a season under his QO, refusing offers from us. That's not happening, and neither player is going anywhere.

Yes a different story, but it still could happen. If you disgruntle a player enough, he will do whatever it takes to get out of town. He could ask to be traded, and if that happens, no one, other than LJ or Howard would be worth the value of Oden's franchise center type. And they wouldn't do it.

 

[hasoos]

Actually what is pissing me off is that guys are bitching about shots and stuff, but this team isn't nearly as talented as teams from the past who never had problems with shots. For instance, compare the situation now with when we had Damon Stoudemire, Steve Smith, Scottie Pippen, Wallace/Grant and Sabonis.

Why would that situation work, and it not work out now? That team had way more talent, and way more players needing shots than this one. It also had a hell of a lot more toughness. That is probably why it worked. Everybody on that team wanted to win more than anything else.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Actually what is pissing me off is that guys are bitching about shots and stuff, but this team isn't nearly as talented as teams from the past who never had problems with shots. For instance, compare the situation now with when we had Damon Stoudemire, Steve Smith, Scottie Pippen, Wallace/Grant and Sabonis.

Why would that situation work, and it not work out now? That team had way more talent, and way more players needing shots than this one. It also had a hell of a lot more toughness. That is probably why it worked. Everybody on that team wanted to win more than anything else.

The system.

Nate works the shot clock on every possession! How fighting the shot clock is good plan is beyond me. Especially with the athletes we have on this roster.

 

[magnifier661]

Actually what is pissing me off is that guys are bitching about shots and stuff, but this team isn't nearly as talented as teams from the past who never had problems with shots. For instance, compare the situation now with when we had Damon Stoudemire, Steve Smith, Scottie Pippen, Wallace/Grant and Sabonis.

Why would that situation work, and it not work out now? That team had way more talent, and way more players needing shots than this one. It also had a hell of a lot more toughness. That is probably why it worked. Everybody on that team wanted to win more than anything else.

To that point's defense was the players were much older. Most have already done their "THING" and wanted a ring more. So they were willing to sacrifice for the ultimate prize. I think many of these young players still are fighting for contracts and individual notoriety. Not saying that's good, just saying that could be the case.

 

[hasoos]

To that point's defense was the players were much older. Most have already done their "THING" and wanted a ring more. So they were willing to sacrifice for the ultimate prize. I think many of these young players still are fighting for contracts and individual notoriety. Not saying that's good, just saying that could be the case.

That would be nice and all, but all of them have contracts. For a long time. It could just be being young and not figuring it out. But perhaps, that is why every year San Antonio just adds veterans to the team around the pieces it has, instead of young players. Your argument could be completely valid. Them and Boston both are following this pattern now.

They have pieces, add hungry vets and stir.

 

[magnifier661]

That would be nice and all, but all of them have contracts. For a long time. It could just be being young and not figuring it out. But perhaps, that is why every year San Antonio just adds veterans to the team around the pieces it has, instead of young players. Your argument could be completely valid. Them and Boston both are following this pattern now.

They have pieces, add hungry vets and stir.

You are preaching to the choir brother. Just telling you that the other players were much older and sometimes age humbles you. :S

 

[Idog1976]

You take Oden and do this three team trade:

New Jersey Out:

Courtney Lee
Eduardo Najera
Devin Harris

New Jersey In:

LaMarcus Aldridge
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless
Jeff Pendergraph

New Orleans Out:

Chris Paul
Peja Stojakovic
Emeka Okafor

New Orleans In:

Brandon Roy
Devin Harris
Steve Blake
Joel Przybilla
Martell Webster
Eduardo Najera

Portland Out:

Joel Przybilla
Martell Webster
Steve Blake
Brandon Roy
LaMarcus Aldridge
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless
Jeff Pendergraph

Portland In:

Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
Peja Stojakovic
Courtney Lee

New Orleans new lineup:

PG Harris/Collison/Blake
SG Roy/Blake
SF Posey/Webster
PF West/Najera
C Przybilla/?

New Orleans saves a BUNCH of money (Shinn is in trouble) and arguably gets an upgrade in over all talent and better balance. Probably has the best back court in the league (Portland might compete there). Roy gets to be the man and play with an LMA like West, his favorite kind of Center (non-scoring) and a good PG in Harris. Roy's happiness in this theoretical trade isn't my top priority as in this theoretical situation he is dividing the team (I don't know that is happening I'm purely being theoretical here like the OP)

New Jersey:

PG Bayless
SG CDR
SF Outlaw
PF Aldridge
C Lopez

And they have room to sign LBJ to a STACKED team in summer 2010

Portland lineup

PG Paul/Miller
SG Rudy/Lee
SF Batum/Peja (Batum will be back late but its worth a few losses now due to a bad SF in order to dominate in the playoffs)
PF Okafor/Cunningham/Howard
C Oden/Okafor


That team is I think MUCH more balanced with a SG who doesn't need the ball. A god like setup man and amazing backup in Miller (he could be traded for a SF later). You have to use trade exceptions but it works.

I think all teams might bite on this trade.

 

[Wheels]

You take Oden and do this three team trade:

New Jersey Out:

Courtney Lee
Eduardo Najera
Devin Harris

New Jersey In:

LaMarcus Aldridge
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless
Jeff Pendergraph

New Orleans Out:

Chris Paul
Peja Stojakovic
Emeka Okafor

New Orleans In:

Brandon Roy
Devin Harris
Steve Blake
Joel Przybilla
Martell Webster
Eduardo Najera

Portland Out:

Joel Przybilla
Martell Webster
Steve Blake
Brandon Roy
LaMarcus Aldridge
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless
Jeff Pendergraph

Portland In:

Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
Peja Stojakovic
Courtney Lee

New Orleans new lineup:

PG Harris/Collison/Blake
SG Roy/Blake
SF Posey/Webster
PF West/Najera
C Przybilla/?

New Orleans saves a BUNCH of money (Shinn is in trouble) and arguably gets an upgrade in over all talent and better balance. Probably has the best back court in the league (Portland might compete there). Roy gets to be the man and play with an LMA like West, his favorite kind of Center (non-scoring) and a good PG in Harris. Roy's happiness in this theoretical trade isn't my top priority as in this theoretical situation he is dividing the team (I don't know that is happening I'm purely being theoretical here like the OP)

New Jersey:

PG Bayless
SG CDR
SF Outlaw
PF Aldridge
C Lopez

And they have room to sign LBJ to a STACKED team in summer 2010

Portland lineup

PG Paul/Miller
SG Rudy/Lee
SF Batum/Peja (Batum will be back late but its worth a few losses now due to a bad SF in order to dominate in the playoffs)
PF Okafor/Cunningham/Howard
C Oden/Okafor


That team is I think MUCH more balanced with a SG who doesn't need the ball. A god like setup man and amazing backup in Miller (he could be traded for a SF later). You have to use trade exceptions but it works.

I think all teams might bite on this trade.

did we really just trade Roy AND Aldridge? I feel sick.

 

[Idog1976]

Yeah I'm secretly KP in disguise.

Dude this is predicated on the premise that Roy and Aldridge have formed some Evil conspiracy to shut out GO. I personally expect them to work it out, probably under a new coach. The OP asked what would you do if Roy was really forcing the issue and you had to choose. LMA and Roy + some role players for Paul and Okafor? Especially when you consider that Joel is probably leaving, seems like the best you could do if Roy and LMA really did want to freeze Oden out.

 

[Nikolokolus]

People talking about trading Roy and Aldridge are almost certainly going to have to wait until 2011-2012. Both of these guys are PPP players this year and BYC players next year, which makes moving them almost impossible unless you are doing a salary dump on team under the cap, and even then you aren't likely to get much in return.

Face it, this is the core we've got for at minimum 3-4 years, they're going to have to learn to play with each other and KP is going to need to get off his ass and finally start the process of surrounding his core with the right guys.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I don't like the last trade, where we trade Roy and Aldirdge and have Okafor as our PF. I'm not a fan of his.

But the Roy/Bayless/Outlaw/even Joel/and two 1sts for Paul and Peja would be sick as hell.

Oden def. would be a 20/10 guy. He would get at least 10ppg on alley-oops, lol.

But its not going to happen. Roy will learn to adjust his game to play with everyone else. Its part of being a professional. I like our team as is except for our PG situation. I like Batum at SF for now and the future, and of course our big 3. But a lineup of Paul/Rudy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden would be epic for sure.

 

[hasoos]

There is no reason to really make a knee jerk reaction trade. Small moves. Not big ones.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

If the conclusion or the prescription to fixing this team is "Trading Oden" or "Trading Roy and Aldridge". My response is "Fire The Coach". You want these guys to have one more shot with one other coach before coming to that determination. I think a smart, charismatic basketball coach can get these coefficients to work together.

 

[MrJayremmie]

McMillan is WAY more valuable to our team than Roy, Aldridge, or Oden!! Or all three put together.

At least that is the impression i've been getting around here with all the Nate man-love goin' on!

Anyway, I would really like to see what another (good) coach would do with this team. It is so loaded with talent.

 

[hasoos]

McMillan is WAY more valuable to our team than Roy, Aldridge, or Oden!! Or all three put together.

At least that is the impression i've been getting around here with all the Nate man-love goin' on!

Anyway, I would really like to see what another (good) coach would do with this team. It is so loaded with talent.

How many years of being loaded with talent do you have to go through before you become a good team?