Oden's restructured Salary $1.5 Mil?

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Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

Pinwheel1 said:
I just think for what ever reason he wanted to be fair and basically give back 6 million dollars that he has yet to earn. Maybe for good Karma, maybe out of guilt because he is not coming back, or maybe because he does want to come back and figures it will help him get the higher end of the next contract.

Bottom line is he didn't have to do it, but felt it was the right thing to do. Maybe hoping fans and management will appreciate it.
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Real question: If somebody asked you to give away 7.5 million dollars would you do it?

Now imagine your whole livelihood centers around being a pro athlete and typically you've got maybe 10-15 years to earn your money, but in your case you've been plagued with injuries and it's looking like your window is maybe just 5-8 years to earn your money and you've already "used up" 5 years would you still give 7.5 million dollars away? Maybe you would and maybe even Oden would, but do you really think an agent would let him? I would call that highly unlikely . . .
 
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HailBlazers said:
People's false assumptions. That fact is, The Blazers and Oden have worked together to manage this never-ending PR nightmare...

There is something highly overlooked in this sage, and that is the relationship between Larry Miller and Greg Oden. Until you understand their relationship, you won't understand what the Blazers are doing. You can have your own opinions, but they will be uninformed.

The Blazers believe in Greg, you may not, but Larry and crew does, more-so than anyone in the league. Greg knows that, and he's appreciated them standing by his side helping him through all this. The bottom line is, they want whats best for each other, because they believe it will most likely bring the best outcome. Healthy Greg, Blazers uniform, Max Contract, Championship. Take it or leave it but it's the best shot we got.
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Enlighten us Mr. Insider.
 
Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

I can't, you won't listen. Until you clear your mind of your own point of view, you can't actually hear what I have to say.
 
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Draco said:
This news means we have about $6 million of salary space before we hit the luxury tax. Non-tax paying teams have a $5 million window to match salaries, so we could trade someone like Luke Babbit and a future draft pick and take back a player earning $6.7 million this year. That could be very valuable if a team is out of the playoff race and willing to dump a productive veteran at the trade deadline.
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Good information . . . thanks!
 
Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

i really hope his freaking knees get healed up for a late season come back
 
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Since we're all just guessing as to what may have happened, here's mine:

The Blazers got the results of Greg's physical and didn't like what they saw. They had the right under the CBA to withdraw their QO, in which case Greg would have become an unrestricted free agent. Since his medical records would be reviewed by any team considering making him an offer, his chances of getting a big contract would be nil, plus he would lose the benefits of the Blazers having Bird Rights on him and being able to offer him a longer and more lucrative deal than anyone else. Rather than doing that, he was willing to sign a one year deal for less money on the hope that he'll be able to come back before the end of the year and prove that in next summer's FA market he's worth a max deal either to the Blazers or another team.
 
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HailBlazers said:
I can't, you won't listen. Until you clear your mind of your own point of view, you can't actually hear what I have to say.
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Well, since my POV is rooted in logic and common sense and yours springs from what I can only guess are the product of a fever dream, I'll stay over here thank you kindly.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
Real question: If somebody asked you to give away 7.5 million dollars would you do it?
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Yet he did.......

But no I would not. I would probably take less in the next contract for that same team and earn it all back. But there is something to be said for peace of mind. I doubt guys like Koncak and Ostertag ever enjoyed another minute playing in the NBA after getting paid too much and hearing it from the fans every night. They went from fan favorites to villain in one year.
 
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Amazing! I don't know how this can be true. If it is then signs look as if oden wants to stay a blazers
 
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Nikolokolus said:
Real question: If somebody asked you to give away 7.5 million dollars would you do it?

Now imagine your whole livelihood centers around being a pro athlete and typically you've got maybe 10-15 years to earn your money, but in your case you've been plagued with injuries and it's looking like your window is maybe just 5-8 years to earn your money and you've already "used up" 5 years would you still give 7.5 million dollars away? Maybe you would and maybe even Oden would, but do you really think an agent would let him? I would call that highly unlikely . . .
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the way i see it is that the contract was voided, and the blazers being sweethearts threw him a bone...so your tangent doesnt really strike a chord
 
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Okay so if it's essentially not a qo then would that mean he is a restricted free agent this summer?
 
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Draco said:
Barrett also said Kemp was in phenominal shape every offseason, so I put virtually zero stock into his assertations.
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Kemp's last year with Portland was 2001-02. Barrett didn't become the play-by-by guy until 2003-04. He did WNBA games before taking over for Pete Pranica, Eddie Doucette, or whoever was the TV guy at the time.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Yet he did.......

But no I would not. I would probably take less in the next contract for that same team and earn it all back. But there is something to be said for peace of mind. I doubt guys like Koncak and Ostertag ever enjoyed another minute playing in the NBA after getting paid too much and hearing it from the fans every night. They went from fan favorites to villain in one year.
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As I said in my post above, I don't think Greg had the choice to sign the Qualifying Offer. Once his medical tests were reviewed by the Blazers, they probably approached Greg and his agent and indicated that they were going to have to pull the QO and instead presented the lesser contract.
 
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e_blazer said:
Since we're all just guessing as to what may have happened, here's mine:

The Blazers got the results of Greg's physical and didn't like what they saw. They had the right under the CBA to withdraw their QO, in which case Greg would have become an unrestricted free agent. Since his medical records would be reviewed by any team considering making him an offer, his chances of getting a big contract would be nil, plus he would lose the benefits of the Blazers having Bird Rights on him and being able to offer him a longer and more lucrative deal than anyone else. Rather than doing that, he was willing to sign a one year deal for less money on the hope that he'll be able to come back before the end of the year and prove that in next summer's FA market he's worth a max deal either to the Blazers or another team.
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I think you're partially right, but he'll never be a max contract guy. No insurance company would ever insure his deal and the new CBA is going to make that exceedingly difficult to give him such a deal. The only team that could theoretically "max" him would be the Blazers, but that doesn't work out logically, because if they intended to give him such a contract they would have done it as an extension last fall.

The likeliest thing is that he knew he couldn't pass a physical if he got an offer sheet, the Blazers figured this out and knew he wouldn't be ready to play for most of the year and so they prorated his QO to the games the expect he'll be able to play in or just as a flier to keep his bird rights.

My only gripe is with the asinine assertion that he gave back money out of some kind of karmic motive.
 
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Re: Oden's resturctured Salary $1.5 Mil?

Pinwheel1 said:
I just think for what ever reason he wanted to be fair and basically give back 6 million dollars that he has yet to earn. Maybe for good Karma, maybe out of guilt because he is not coming back, or maybe because he does want to come back and figures it will help him get the higher end of the next contract.

Bottom line is he didn't have to do it, but felt it was the right thing to do. Maybe hoping fans and management will appreciate it and it will take a little pressure off getting back quickly this year.
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Or, it will help relieve him of some guilt when he leaves Portland for another team.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Yet he did.......

But no I would not. I would probably take less in the next contract for that same team and earn it all back. But there is something to be said for peace of mind. I doubt guys like Koncak and Ostertag ever enjoyed another minute playing in the NBA after getting paid too much and hearing it from the fans every night. They went from fan favorites to villain in one year.
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Yet he (likely) didn't. He took the best deal he could get.
 
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magnifier661 said:
Okay so if it's essentially not a qo then would that mean he is a restricted free agent this summer?
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I think he is an UFA. Storyteller suggested he was an RFA, but then I think I saw somewhere on here that new info suggested UFA. Maybe someone else can clear that up.
 
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magnifier661 said:
Okay so if it's essentially not a qo then would that mean he is a restricted free agent this summer?
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Storyteller was pretty emphatic that GO is not an RFA this summer.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
I think you're partially right, but he'll never be a max contract guy. No insurance company would ever insure his deal and the new CBA is going to make that exceedingly difficult. The only team that could theoretically "max" him would be the Blazers, but that doesn't work out logically, because if they intended to give him such a contract they would have done it as an extension last fall.

The likeliest thing is that he knew he couldn't pass a physical if he got an offer sheet, the Blazers figured this out and knew he wouldn't be ready to play for most of the year and so they prorated his QO to the games the expect he'll be able to play in or just as a flier to keep his bird rights.

My only gripe is with the asinine assertion that he gave back money out of some kind of karmic motive.
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I doubt any team is willing to give him a max contract next summer, but if he can play well by the end of the year, he'll get a deal starting at upwards of $10 mil per year. That's what even mid-range big men get in the NBA and, given what Greg could mean to a team if he's finally able to turn the page on his injury problems for a few years, he's going to get an offer in that range, IMO. As for the exact reasoning behind Greg's decision to take less money, yeah, I doubt that it was just out of the goodness of his heart. Business is business and both sides were trying to do the best to protect their interests.
 
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Greg aint givin' no shits about basketball right now, hes getting his drink on!
 
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Well that sucks. I was hoping that you could restructure the contract like a new one, since it's not part of his rookie one. I believe storyteller so it must be true
 
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Zybot said:
I think he is an UFA. Storyteller suggested he was an RFA, but then I think I saw somewhere on here that new info suggested UFA. Maybe someone else can clear that up.
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He'll definitely be an UFA. The only advantage that Portland will have is that they will still hold his Bird rights and, therefore, can make him a significantly better offer than anyone else.
 
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LOL
 
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Nikolokolus said:
Well, since my POV is rooted in logic and common sense and yours springs from what I can only guess are the product of a fever dream, I'll stay over here thank you kindly.
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:lol:

OK, perception is reality my friend.
 
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HailBlazers said:
This season is not about Money (he's got enough for now), it's about 2 things: Getting 100% healthy and increasing his future contract value. They are accomplished by rehabbing as long as possible, and taking less money from the Blazers now, so that they'll pay him more later. Does that make sense? Furthermore, Oden really doesn't want to be perceived as taking money for nothing, he already feels bad enough about the past 4 years.
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:lol:

Okay. Whatever you say.
 
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PapaG said:
Kemp's last year with Portland was 2001-02. Barrett didn't become the play-by-by guy until 2003-04. He did WNBA games before taking over for Pete Pranica, Eddie Doucette, or whoever was the TV guy at the time.
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Damn, bringing facts into another thread? What a killjoy for the MB haters. :chestbump:
 
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